strategy to beat bad players (some bad beats mentioned)

The Snapper

I have played shorstacks tourney for a couple of weeks now and suck out every time.Some of the play is shocking and its a real minefield to negotiate. I have made 1 final table and usually get to last 18'ish. Below are some key hands all are terminal. Hope this does'nt read as a bad beat series.

In SB with 21k holding A 10 everyone folds to me. I raise x 3 bb to 3k BB pushes for 22k . I have waited all nite for this guy, he thinks any ace is a monster and has made the same move all nite long. My read is A rag and I call. So I pout smugly when he turns A 6 os and I'm a huge fav. Board comes x,4,5,7,8 for his str8 and I'm gone.


Last week,Determined to be aggressive with my good hands and charge them to catch up. I make the break with a healthy 8.5k ( 1k to start plus 3k top up plus 4.5k surplus) I loose about 3k running into rockets in late position when I make a bad call for a 2k all-in bet. I'm at a new table for about 5 hands, no real reads on any players and I'm on the button with 5.5k holding Ak os. Utg limps for 400(chipleader) folded to me and I raise to 1500. Blinds fold and limper calls. Flop is K 6 2 rainbow and villain checks.With no real threat on the board I bet 1k wanting a call ?, and the villain duly obliges. turn card is a second diamond rag and villain checks. I push for my last 3k villain calls and shows K 7 os river is a 7 and I steam off madder than "Mad Jack Mc'Mad".

Ok enough of the sad stories.

Any ideas how to beat a field heavy with poor players some of whom are fairly pissed.

The more aggressive strategy employed last week was fine up to a point but I wonder if the resultant bigger pots are more dangerous for busting out and pot committing you and your opponent.

willis

lol, this is a secret bad beat thread!!u did nothin wrong in either case,got your chips in well ahead and lost, sh1t happens, what can u do.

DapperGent

willis wrote:

lol, this is a secret bad beat thread!!u did nothin wrong in either case,got your chips in well ahead and lost, sh1t happens, what can u do.

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Hectorjelly

Bluff almost every hand and call raises with any two cards with the intention of outplaying your opponents on later streets. Call all in with suited cards for value.

Lafortezza

Thread title changed. Sorry but this is just about bad beats, you're doing nothing wrong at all.

The Snapper

lafortezza wrote:

Thread title changed. Sorry but this is just about bad beats, you're doing nothing wrong at all.

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I strongly object to your edit of my thread. I do'nt do Whiney bad beat stories. My only reason for posting and reading here is to learn and improve. Yes, the backround info is of a bad beat nature but is only a backround to the real thread which is a genuine strategy question.

"Any ideas how to beat a field heavy with poor players some of whom are fairly pissed."

"The more aggressive strategy employed last week was fine up to a point but I wonder if the resultant bigger pots are more dangerous for busting out and pot committing you and your opponent."

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Lafortezza

The Snapper wrote:

In SB with 21k holding A 10 everyone folds to me. I raise x 3 bb to 3k BB pushes for 22k . I have waited all nite for this guy, he thinks any ace is a monster and has made the same move all nite long. My read is A rag and I call. So I pout smugly when he turns A 6 os and I'm a huge fav. Board comes x,4,5,7,8 for his str8 and I'm gone.

The first hand you post is your AT getting beaten by A6o hitting a 1 card straight. You 'pout smugly' when the cards are turned over on the flop, but shock horror he outdraws you when you were a huge favourite. This is a bad beat.

The Snapper wrote:

I'm on the button with 5.5k holding Ak os. Utg limps for 400(chipleader) folded to me and I raise to 1500. Blinds fold and limper calls. Flop is K 6 2 rainbow and villain checks.With no real threat on the board I bet 1k wanting a call ?, and the villain duly obliges. turn card is a second diamond rag and villain checks. I push for my last 3k villain calls and shows K 7 os river is a 7 and I steam off madder than "Mad Jack Mc'Mad".

You have a player dominated when you both hit top pair, on a drawless flop and turn. You get all in and you have him drawing to 3 outs, he hits one of these outs. That is a bad beat. You might call them "sad beats" but they are bad beats in most peoples books.

Any ideas how to beat a field heavy with poor players some of whom are fairly pissed.

If you have trouble beating a field like this then there may be several aspects to your game that you need to re-evaluate. I can't think of many easier fields to be up against.

The more aggressive strategy employed last week was fine up to a point but I wonder if the resultant bigger pots are more dangerous for busting out and pot committing you and your opponent.

It all boils down to getting your money in when you are ahead by punishing your opponents mistakes. Lady Luck takes her part by making the final decision on those 60/40s and so on.

The Snapper wrote:

real thread which is a genuine strategy question.

"Any ideas how to beat a field heavy with poor players some of whom are fairly pissed."

"The more aggressive strategy employed last week was fine up to a point but I wonder if the resultant bigger pots are more dangerous for busting out and pot committing you and your opponent."

The bigger pots are obviously more dangerous for busting you out, since you may be all-in many times during the tournament. When you're all-in in a hand sometimes people outdraw you, sometimes you're drawing dead.
But mostly if you are a good player, your opposition is poor and you are making correct decisions then the final pot will be pushed in your direction.

ionapaul

I played in the €30 FO in the Mayfair on Tuesday, doubled up by the end of the first level, and was out by the end of the second, because of bad play (well, mostly because of this) that was induced, if that is the correct description of my play, by a beginner's poor (or unconvential) play. The player in question limped on SB with strong hole cards and at no point prior to him flipping them over when he got me all-in could I have put him on those two cards! Particularly as as a beginner, I would have thought he would overplay them, like I saw him do with small pocket pairs. Very frustrating for me, but I should have factored his beginner status into my thought process when considering the range of hands he had limped with, so 100% my fault. If you are sitting at a table with all maniacs or beginners, it can be hard to avoid suck-outs and similar car crashes. Conversely, a table with one or two such players can be wonderful for more experienced players!

The Snapper

The Snapper wrote:

I have played shorstacks tourney for a couple of weeks now and suck out every time.Some of the play is shocking and its a real minefield to negotiate. I have made 1 final table and usually get to last 18'ish.
Any ideas how to beat a field heavy with poor players some of whom are fairly pissed.

The more aggressive strategy employed last week was fine up to a point but I wonder if the resultant bigger pots are more dangerous for busting out and pot committing you and your opponent.

Is that better teach!

Again u miss the point

Shortstack

Just keep getting your money in ahead. Multitable tournaments are about winning more than your fair share over a considerable number of events. I have no doubt you have what it takes to get through a field like this but you have to be patient and take a lot of beats along the way. If you keep getting it in with the best of it then you will win one soon. You will find that you will get a run where you can do nothing wrong at some point which will more than make up for the bad run.

A MTT tournament players life can be very depressing when you have a bad run but the highs when you have a good one are worth the wait!

mewso

I find, online anyway, that your raises have to be larger. Not that you have to be any more agressive it's just harder to push them off that KJo they love so much. In the later stages when low stacked any half decent hand is all-in. I play mainly STTs and the stupidity is very high. I especially love the guys who have the chip lead and re-raise you all-in with KQ. No thought whatsoever seems to go into their game except those lovely colourful cards. So the upshot is go all-in. Don't give them a chance to re-raise you with KQ. Make it a very bad call if they do. So know your pot odds very well and make your calls and bets accordingly. Bad players also love betting 100 into a 1000 pot. The problem with these bets is they could be making a very silly milking bet or chancing their. Most of the time it's the second option so if I have anything and a weeney bet comes into the pot it gets re-raised to the massive. Ooops better go sign up to the Shamrock crew.