What's the best fighting game controller?

evad_lhorg

ok well basically I am lookin for a controller for the ps2 or xbox for fighting games. I am into Street Fighter, capcom vs snk 2, soul calibur, tekken, virtua fighter 4 evo. the analog sticks tend to be quite poor except on the gamecube with soul calibur so recomendations for the others on ps2 or xbox would be great.

I have heard that nubytechs 15th anniversary street fighter controller is very good on the ps2 but not good on the xbox. but the lack of analog sticks means it would be useless for some things. I was thihking of picking it up. maybe.

i shall be gettin street fighter anniversary on xbox soon enough hopefully and was wondering what would be good for it on xbox.

i find the d-pad on the s controller to be good but very inaccurate. same with the ps2. it's too stiff though on ps2.

PiZaRR-0

Get the namco stick, or hori ( they make namco's sticks ).

The best stick for tekken.

The one that come with the Tekken 5 collectors edition is excellent. Pity it wasnt released here but theres lots on ebay.

KdjaCL

http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=22&products_id=6135&

OH for a credit card......


kdjac

Hercule

IMHO your best bet is to stick with the main controllers you get with the consoles as i have NEVER seen a third-party controller that i could not see a flaw with. Usually they either have unresponsive buttons,feel hollow,have stange button placing or are just uncomfortable to use over prolonged periods of use.
Unless you are a complete purist you should stay away from the arcade sticks aswell as they offer nothing much over the regular controllers (unless you are a hardened arcade veteran in which case I guess you already own one :rolleyes: ). A few years ago when people were arguing the old Mega-drive -VS- Arcade conrollers debate the two were evenly matched in terms of pros and cons but now the PS2,xbox and to a lesser extent the gamecube controllers are more practical. I think the main feature people should utilise of these controllers is the ability to bind the back buttons to "throw" or "parry" which sets them above the arcade sticks.

ambro25

One of them:



Single or dual model. Pricey, but worth it and you can use it with your PS/2, XBOX, GC, PC... (with the correct adapters)

Retr0gamer

Hercule wrote:

I think the main feature people should utilise of these controllers is the ability to bind the back buttons to "throw" or "parry" which sets them above the arcade sticks.

That there is called cheating. Even worse is programming special moves to one button. The best controller for fighting games was the japanese saturn controller. Best to get one of them and a convertor.

evad_lhorg

oh yea i forgot to mention i would be no good with an arcade stick really as i never really went to arcades.

Retr0gamer

Arcade sticks are far better especially for the capcom games. It takes a bit of getting used to though but once you do get it you will wonder how you survived on the gamepad.

Pugsley

Seconded, Arcade sticks really are the way forward for any fighting games, playing as Zangief on an arcade is simply brilliant fun if you never really played him much before, all his moves are so easy and hes just a delight to play. Although outside of capcom games I have found arcade sticks a lot less of a necessity, Tekken is just as easy to play on a controller as it is on an arcade stick imo when you have the shoulder buttons set up right.

ambro25

evad_lhorg wrote:

oh yea i forgot to mention i would be no good with an arcade stick really as i never really went to arcades.

tssk, tssk... kids these days

You just try SC2 on your Gamecube with one of them bad X-Arcade boys, and then try & come back to tell me GC analogues are better

evad_lhorg

is that street fighter arcade stick supposed to be good?

K.O.Kiki

Retr0gamer wrote:

That there is called cheating. Even worse is programming special moves to one button. The best controller for fighting games was the japanese saturn controller. Best to get one of them and a convertor.

No need for adaptors: These are PS2 controllers

KdjaCL

ambro25 wrote:

One of them:



Single or dual model. Pricey, but worth it and you can use it with your PS/2, XBOX, GC, PC... (with the correct adapters)

I want that!!!!!!!!


kdjac

Hercule

its hardly cheating binding two buttons to the one back button unless the person you are playing against doesnt - in which case you are a dishonourable - cheating woud be to give yourself a 150% handicap against somebody on default without them knowing. Besides games simply dont allow the binding of any complicated combo that would be worth using often. It wouldnt be a default feature in the game if it was a cheat.

I think that any game that requires you to perform quarter circles or half circles street fighter/king of fighters etc. with the d-pad is suited best to an arcade stick. but the modern 3d fighting games are a lot more based around timing,combinations and juggling not powering up and unleashing an energy blast with a complicated button-press sequence - so what you would want most is responsiveness and almost every arcade stick i have used i have found "sticky" or "hollow" im sure good ones are available but they cost an arm and a leg usually.

Retr0gamer

Hercule wrote:

its hardly cheating binding two buttons to the one back button unless the person you are playing against doesnt - in which case you are a dishonourable - cheating woud be to give yourself a 150% handicap against somebody on default without them knowing. Besides games simply dont allow the binding of any complicated combo that would be worth using often. It wouldnt be a default feature in the game if it was a cheat.

It is when it's not available in the arcade version. It really wouldn't go down well in tournaments. pressing two buttons at once is sometimes as difficult as a quarter circle move.

BLITZ_Molloy

The XArcade sticks are naff. Nasty clone parts. Buttons are reasonable, but the stick itself is really indistinct. And the adaptors cost a ****ing fortune.

Best to got with a Hori stick (Namco, Soul Calibur 2, Tekken 5 sticks are all made by Hori).

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And you can get any PS2 to whatever adaptors much more cheaply than the x-arcade adaptors.

Hercule

It is when it's not available in the arcade version.

no not really, lowering difficulty settings or changing from 60hz-50hz makes the game easier but they are hardly considered cheats. For multiplayer i said its "dishonourable" in other words its not a secret cheat button sequence its something everyine knows about, something the developers put iin the game for a reason (who knows what that reason is though )

It really wouldn't go down well in tournaments.

thats blatantly obvious it would be like bringing a joypad with autofire to an international track and field competition. Anyone who would try this would and should be soundly beaten in real life.

those plated HORI sticks look good but ive never actually used one

Retr0gamer

I suppose it's okay if the person you are playing against is okay with it. However I think you are missing out on a small part of the game using the multiple button binds. Anyone trying to use them against me will be laughed at.

Hori peripherals are fantastic and have excellent build quality. You can't really go wrong with a Hori controller.

1huge1

ambro25 wrote:

tssk, tssk... kids these days

You just try SC2 on your Gamecube with one of them bad X-Arcade boys, and then try & come back to tell me GC analogues are better

funny how your using the gamecube as a example

KdjaCL

The point of special moves is they meant to be hard binding them is the ultimate wuss mode, whats the point in pulling off a special move undewr pressure if all you had to do was press a button.


Blitz where you get that Hori stick? X stick looks good as its 2p.


kdjac

evad_lhorg

evad_lhorg wrote:

is that street fighter arcade stick supposed to be good?

ahem!!!

evad_lhorg

ffs was just looking at that street fighter stick on lik sang. it would cost €112 altogether with DHL shipping which is the cheapest shipping cost.

Spodo Komodo

This one looks pretty good. Cheapest one they have.

http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=22&products_id=7406&

ambro25

1huge1 wrote:

funny how your using the gamecube as a example

Why - don't follow you, sorry...

johnny_ultimate

They had some special edition street fighter PS2 controllers in HMV the other day... they had a purty box, but I dont know what the actual controller is like... Probably just a dual shock 2 with Ryu poorly drawn onto it.

BLITZ_Molloy

Those Street Fighter ones with the nice artwork are made by Nuby, an american company. Their sticks are incredibly ****. I think the pads are OK, but nothing to write home about.

As far as pads are concerned you can get Sega Saturn ones from http://www.liksang.com/

You can get them for PS2 or PC. I haven't bought one yet but they're next up on my list. I hear they're identical to the sublime originals.

Andore

I use the Hori Real Arcade Pro stick for the ps2 with a magicbox converter for my xbox/dreamcast/pc. It's pricey but it's well worth the cash since it's very sturdy, feels great and you'll get a hell of a lot mileage with it between all the console games and using it for mame/kawaks.

Whatever you do don't get the x-arcade or sf anniversary stick. The first features input lag which makes it useless for fighters and the anniversary stick is of a poor build quality and way overpriced. You could also look into building your own for a lot less. Head over to shoryuken.com for guides on that. If you do get a stick head down to Atlantic Homecare and get a nice stand for it, that made all the difference for me.

I had never used a stick before the Hori and it took me a good while to get used to but once you do you'll never look back. Take for example Street Fighter 3, you're really limited by what you can do with a pad. With a stick though you can do all the high end stuff like kara cancels/throws and because you can drum your fingers and press loads of buttons at once you'll find ex and super moves easier. For Capcom Vs SNK 2 it makes stuff like roll cancelling a lot easier too.

Here's a pic of my stick setup:



If you've got any questions about using the stick ask

BLITZ_Molloy

http://www3.sympatico.ca/mally-g/temp/index.html

Has anybody else seen the sticks Catch22 from the VF.com boards makes? I'd love to be able to build stuff like that.





And then there are Byrdo sticks. Yum.

http://www.byrdo.org/arcade_joysticks.htm

honru

BLITZ_Molloy wrote:

Those Street Fighter ones with the nice artwork are made by Nuby, an american company. Their sticks are incredibly ****. I think the pads are OK, but nothing to write home about.

As far as pads are concerned you can get Sega Saturn ones from http://www.liksang.com/

You can get them for PS2 or PC. I haven't bought one yet but they're next up on my list. I hear they're identical to the sublime originals.

I've got both the Street Fighter controller for the Xbox and the Sega Saturn controller for the PC, and recieved them at the same time.

The Sega Saturn controller completely overshadows the significantly bulkier Street Fighter type. It just feels so much better, possibly one of the nicest controllers I've used. It's perfect for fighting games, I'd go as far as saying it's better than the original arcade sticks.

So, Sega Saturn controller, highly recommended. If you need a fighting controller specifically for your Xbox, then the Street Fighter type seems to be the only route.

K.O.Kiki

BLITZ_Molloy wrote:

And then there are Byrdo sticks. Yum.

If Byrdo didn't charge an arm and a leg (well, $160-400 :eek: ) for his custom sticks, I'd get him to make me one.

On the other hand, anyone interested in designing their own stick(s) should check out Himura for quality Sanwa parts (ie, the ones used on arcade machines).
I reckon you could build a 10-button stick for around $80 dollars.

The only thing I can't figure out is how to make those lovely inlays. Anyone got any ideas what you'd print it out on??

KdjaCL

K.O.Kiki wrote:

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The only thing I can't figure out is how to make those lovely inlays. Anyone got any ideas what you'd print it out on??

An A4 piece of glossy photo paper and piece of clear perspex, a drill and 4 small screws.


Sorted.


kdjac

K.O.Kiki

KdjaC wrote:

An A4 piece of glossy photo paper and piece of clear perspex, a drill and 4 small screws.


Sorted.


kdjac

I feel so dumb for missing the simple & obvious solution :rolleyes: Thanks; think I'll (try) to make a graphic now.

BLITZ_Molloy

Some people go with lots of coats of clear wax rather than perspex. I believe it can be quite hard to drill without cracking it.

Retr0gamer

f®eak s&#169 wrote: »

So, Sega Saturn controller, highly recommended. If you need a fighting controller specifically for your Xbox, then the Street Fighter type seems to be the only route.

There is an adapter on sale on lik sang that allows you to use a sega saturn, dreamcast or PS2 controller on an xbox. Might be best to get that and a cheap jap style daturn controller (not the american one which is an atrocity).

KdjaCL

K.O.Kiki wrote:

I feel so dumb for missing the simple & obvious solution :rolleyes: Thanks; think I'll (try) to make a graphic now.

Want to buy a signed peice of Jet Force gemini signed by Mr Pants no less?



/me recalls the old rare website its cool sontests which i won
kdjac

K.O.Kiki

KdjaC wrote:

Want to buy a signed peice of Jet Force gemini signed by Mr Pants no less?



/me recalls the old rare website its cool sontests which i won
kdjac

Who is/was Mr Pants??

But nah, I think it would have to be animé-type; much cooler, IMHO :cool:

BLITZ_Molloy wrote:

Some people go with lots of coats of clear wax rather than perspex. I believe it can be quite hard to drill without cracking it.

What kind of wax would this be? And wouldn't it damage the paper??

Retr0gamer

K.O.Kiki wrote:

Who is/was Mr Pants??

Rare's official mascot on their website. He has an awful lot of personality. He even has his own puzzle game on the GBA.

K.O.Kiki

Retr0gamer wrote:

Rare's official mascot on their website. He has an awful lot of personality. He even has his own puzzle game on the GBA.

A quick bit of Googling reveals that I have seen him before.
Bit quirky, ain't he? I wonder if M$ will adopt him as their mascot... cos, like, he looks a little annoying, offensive & dumb (just like their OS )

evad_lhorg

im finding the xbox pad tough to pull off the quarter circle moves on street fighter anniversary. I may get a ps2 street fighter controller and get the converter to play on xbox.


if anyone is up for some third strike on xbox live my gamer tag is evad_lhorg


I thuoght i would get destroyed when i played. i have only played one person who was ranked real high and we played ten games and he wasnt winning comfortably. i won a few. so bring it! (lightly)

evad_lhorg

Andore wrote:

I use the Hori Real Arcade Pro stick for the ps2 with a magicbox converter for my xbox/dreamcast/pc. It's pricey but it's well worth the cash since it's very sturdy, feels great and you'll get a hell of a lot mileage with it between all the console games and using it for mame/kawaks.

Whatever you do don't get the x-arcade or sf anniversary stick. The first features input lag which makes it useless for fighters and the anniversary stick is of a poor build quality and way overpriced. You could also look into building your own for a lot less. Head over to shoryuken.com for guides on that. If you do get a stick head down to Atlantic Homecare and get a nice stand for it, that made all the difference for me.

I had never used a stick before the Hori and it took me a good while to get used to but once you do you'll never look back. Take for example Street Fighter 3, you're really limited by what you can do with a pad. With a stick though you can do all the high end stuff like kara cancels/throws and because you can drum your fingers and press loads of buttons at once you'll find ex and super moves easier. For Capcom Vs SNK 2 it makes stuff like roll cancelling a lot easier too.

Here's a pic of my stick setup:



If you've got any questions about using the stick ask

where can i get one of these? does anyone know any companies that stock them in the states or UK?

Spodo Komodo

I ordered a namco stick(ps1) of this French site (helps if you know a bit of french ):

http://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy/1372350/Namco-Arcade-Stick-Accessoire-Playstation.html

Sould arrive soon hopefully. Its a great stick and pretty hard to come by. Infact good sticks are damn hard to find in Europe. Usually have to order from outside E.U. But this will probably screw you over with customs duty.

Retr0gamer

evad_lhorg wrote:

im finding the xbox pad tough to pull off the quarter circle moves on street fighter anniversary. I may get a ps2 street fighter controller and get the converter to play on xbox.

It's dreadful isn't it. Even worse is that the black and white buttons are useless so pulling off varying combos is impossible.

Andore

evad_lhorg wrote:

where can i get one of these? does anyone know any companies that stock them in the states or UK?

I got it off play-asia. It's quite expensive like I said but for value for money it can't be beaten. Look at it as a long term investment, that thing will last you forever. I got mine back in January and it felt exactly the same as the sticks on the SF3 cabinets in the Trocadero in London. The Troc may be closed now but I can vouch for the fact that it feels arcade perfect... well excluding Irish arcades where arcade perfect means the stick is coming out of its socket and is covered in a strange sticky fluid which you thankfully can't identify.

evad_lhorg

I bought the street fighter anniversary controller on the ps2 and it workds fine with the ps2 but it wont work with my xbox. i have the converter and the converter works with an official ps2 pad. any ideas whats wrong?????

KdjaCL

Andore wrote:

I got it off play-asia. It's quite expensive like I said but for value for money it can't be beaten. Look at it as a long term investment, that thing will last you forever. I got mine back in January and it felt exactly the same as the sticks on the SF3 cabinets in the Trocadero in London. The Troc may be closed now but I can vouch for the fact that it feels arcade perfect... well excluding Irish arcades where arcade perfect means the stick is coming out of its socket and is covered in a strange sticky fluid which you thankfully can't identify.

€40 off lik sang with €30 delivery

Q1.This is it yeah just different colours?

Q2.Worth getting 2 assuming you have a decent table for them???

Q3. Assume USB to PS2 adaptor will make them work on the PC with no problems??


/me hovers buy button and PMS andore just to be sure


kdjac

BLITZ_Molloy

That's an absolute snip for the Namco stick. They usually go for double that on ebay.

I got mine for €8 . They had it sitting on a shelf in Smiths in Limerick for years.

Andore

KdjaC wrote:

€40 off lik sang with €30 delivery

Q1.This is it yeah just different colours?

Q2.Worth getting 2 assuming you have a decent table for them???

Q3. Assume USB to PS2 adaptor will make them work on the PC with no problems??


/me hovers buy button and PMS andore just to be sure


kdjac

Nah that's not the stick I use, mine is this:
http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=22&products_id=5079&

That stick looks grand though and I haven't heard anything bad about it on shoryuken.com except that it can be a bit small if you have big hands. Plus it's smaller and cheaper than my one which is good if you're getting two. I think the Real Arcade Pro is the best non-custom stick at the moment but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the Fighting Stick 2.

This thread might be useful for you, it lists all the HRAP sticks and its various incarnations:

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95713

Searching for any of the sticks you might be interested in on shoryuken is usually a good idea since you get a good feel for how other people like the stick. I don't know what fighters you like but if you're getting two sticks we could play some time

edit just to pick up on Q3: Yeah it'll work fine. I use a Smart Joy adaptor (http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=23&products_id=3833&) which just plugs in without any software and works perfectly with my stick.

KdjaCL

Mainly buying it for Sf2 anni edition on ps2
Have Soul Calibur 2 s thats getting added for use will get it for ps2 too and Sc 3 out soon so will be used a lot, i really fcukin hate thos ps2 pads, i ahve Sf2 anni edition a year now and it kills me that i only played it twice.


Oh i have the entire Mame collection all 11gbs of it

I need 2 but paranoid about buying them as if its crap i have 2 crap pads instead of one.

Be pointless to only have 1 really. Any good independant review sites?

thanks for reply.

kdjac

Andore

Yeah I bought it for the Anniversary Edition too, you'll get so much mileage out of it and Third Strike

Like I said shoryuken is the best place for finding user reviews of stuff. You could just get one and see how it is before getting another, you'll still have all the mame stuff to play in the mean time.