Who are the toughest?

That is fighters and martial artist? Whatever the art or sport?

My vote would be Ramon Dekkers majorly influenced by a DVD paddyc showed me.

That man hoovers punishment.

dlofnep

Yuki Nakai.

Yuki Nakai.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkksssssoooooooooonnnnn

Roper

I second the Colum vote. Dekker is awesome.

cmb.

'the diamond' has to be up there

what is it about dutch fighters? there has to be something in the water

dlofnep

Oleg Taktarov.

padraigcarroll

fighting Irish Micky Ward & Wayne McCollough

Naos

The toughest as in who can take a lot of punishment?

Genki Sudo: Whilst messing about he gets a lot of slaps and kicks.
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira: Unbelivably tough, watch any of his fights..
Mark Hunt: Takes a lot of punishements and lethal kickboxer.

padraigcarroll

oh yeah Ray Sefo is also fecking unreal!!!

paddyc

they shudnt be mentioned in the same page as dekker dekker a living legend..

I'd also go for dany bille a french thai boxer they reckon he as good if not better than dekker and beat him twice.. not on the dvd btw, but dekker for his courage and getting in there and fighting who ever when ever, 3 days after he released from hospital with pins in his ankle he fought in thailand.... that takes b*lls..... then again he is a thai boxer


paddy


erik morales, A gatti, R duran... have to in there as well, also on a local level Paul Jenkins from the UK, one of my smaller idols

vasch_ro

surprised no has mentioned Rocky, he got hammered by that Russian dude and still came back to win

Colm_OReilly

Columok,

As a Aikidoka you've no doubt read Angry Pyjamas. I remember a passage in it where he explains you can't really compare the pain someone feels to that of another. You've no idea of their pain threshold, their mental ability to endure pain, their desire, and their mental state at that time. So what you might take in your stride could be the hardest thing in the world for another.

Having said that, there's an expression that keeps me going on long runs or other tough exercises when I feel like giving up "Champions eat Pain"

Colm

cavedave

Fighters who endure pain by choice should probably be judged by different standards though. Its probably not as bad as cutting off your own hand, passing kidney stones etc but no one will step into a ring for the urinating lumps of rock challange.
Why is toughness such a admirable characteristic? Anyone whose seen Wayne McCoulagh fight recently has to have respect for his toughness. Its still pretty gruesome to watch though.
If we equate thoughness as a large determinant of a fighters quality what will fight sports become? that karate where they do body shots till someone collapses? some sort of dirty sanchez episode? Should the rules of a fight sport not be so that skill and athletisicm are encouraged reather then abiity to get smacked?
I do not know about all this, I just want to know what people think.
David

damo

another good one when youre running or doing an exercise is 'pain is weakness leaving the body'

Dave,

In the case of Dekker it isnt his ability to stand there and not get knocked out that impresses. Its the fact that the guy gives it his all in spite of taking a lot of punishment. Its the ability to perform at a high level after being through hell. I'll show you the Dekkers DVD soon.

Colum

dlofnep

Frodo Baggins was pretty tough.

Roper

I agree with you Dave in some ways. It just becomes a gorefest, sort of pornography for meatheads if its just about how much punishment a man can take. But it's not really about that in real sport/combat arts.

When two tough opponents get in the ring and give as good as they get its the best thing in the world. When you know what it takes to do it, you appreciate it even more. It's not a beatdown, its a sporting contest.

walshb

Dekker is just one of many tough Thai fighters out there. I'm sure Thailand has dozens of guys as tough, if not tougher. I have seen Dekker and yes he is superb. Such a skilled barbaric sport...I'm all for combat sports and I'm a huge boxing fan, but that Thai boxing at its best is possibly too vicious......As for other toughies thru history, Id say Ali, Frazier, Julio Chavez, Jake Lamotta, Ray Robinson etc etc.

madramor

you got to tough on the streets
http://www.filecabi.net/host/file/kimbo/wmv

dlofnep

Kimbo is an idiot.

Colm_OReilly

What makes Thai more vicious than boxing?

Cake Fiend

George Dillman.

If you think about the amount of lethal strikes he must have survived in his life, he's clearly the king.

Clive

dlofnep wrote:

Kimbo is an idiot.

Respect the Kimbo!

dlofnep

Clive wrote:

Respect the Kimbo!

Respect the 'Raffe.

walshb

Colm_OReilly wrote:

What makes Thai more vicious than boxing?

Two things Colm, legs and elbows. As for endurance, boxing is more demanding because it's over 12 rds...so it's 36 mins of non stop action. I think Thai is over 5x2 or 5x3. However, I don't think they could have Thai boxing for much more time than that due to the savagery involved. It's probably not humanly possible.

cmb.

when talking about the most violent/damaging sport - for me, it comes down, not to the individual strikes i.e. buts, knees, elbows etc etc but the cumulative damage, where a fighter is stood back up - concious and somewhat away but concust nonetheless and fights on with much greater increased risk of serious damage, where the use of heavy gloves and wraps allows harder strikes and leads to skin tears from impact - which are much worse than an actual cut and the amount of time a fighter is in the ring - just my view

RedRaven

walshb wrote:

Two things Colm, legs and elbows. As for endurance, boxing is more demanding because it's over 12 rds...so it's 36 mins of non stop action. I think Thai is over 5x2 or 5x3. However, I don't think they could have Thai boxing for much more time than that due to the savagery involved. It's probably not humanly possible.

Well before rounds were introduced in Thai the fight went on till the other guy couldnt carry on...then they used a coconut to time a round..theyd pierced a hole in it put in in vessel of water and when it sank and hit the bottom the round was over. A lot of fighters used to die in Thailand when a fight lasted more than five round, the longer the fight goes on the weaker the fighters get its the inability to defend against elbows etc. that cause fatalities whilst the ability to throw these weapons still remains.