6 handed Limit preflop range

NickyOD

I don't know if anyone here can help me with this one as I don't think there are any winning limit players here but its worth a try. Haven't been able to get much info elsewhere.

In what position will you open with each of these hands with on a 6 handed limit table, and if you have a limper in front of you what would you do with them?

K9s, K9o, QTo, Q9o, J9o, JTo, 9To,

Imposter

Imo, as with every hand, how you play these hands depends on the type of a table you are at and also your table image. If a raise has a good chance of buying you the button then i'd raise them. If it's a very loose table i'd probably call although folding might be a better idea.

If there's a limper in front of you, i'd call if I thought it wouldn't be raised or fold if you think it may be raised by someone after you. You've also got to consider how likely it is that the limper might be slowplaying a hand.

NickyOD

Imposter wrote:

Imo, as with every hand, how you play these hands depends on the type of a table you are at and also your table image. If a raise has a good chance of buying you the button then i'd raise them. If it's a very loose table i'd probably call although folding might be a better idea.

If there's a limper in front of you, i'd call if I thought it wouldn't be raised or fold if you think it may be raised by someone after you. You've also got to consider how likely it is that the limper might be slowplaying a hand.

I never limp. At times I would open raise UTG with all of these hands. On loose tables I would have to wait until the CO with some of them but I am down money in early positions with these so I'm obviously playing too loose at times.

What level are you playing at Imposter and what's your VPIP over how many hands?

Imposter

NickyOD wrote:

I never limp. At times I would open raise UTG with all of these hands. On loose tables I would have to wait until the CO with some of them but I am down money in early positions with these so I'm obviously playing too loose at times.

What level are you playing at Imposter and what's your VPIP over how many hands?

I'll check when I get home, but my last limit experiment backfired when I tried getting a bit more aggressive postflop (I was probably a little too loose preflop, i haven't really analysed it yet). That was at 3/6 so i'm a little down after that. I was winning at 2/4 but this 'style' didn't work at 3/6 as it was a little too passive. I've dabbled a little in 5/10 and i'm showing a profit for it, but it wasn't near enough hands to be meaningful.

What's your VPIP like at 5/10? How would you classify your play (loose/tight, passive/aggressive, pre- and post-flop).

NickyOD

Imposter wrote:

I'll check when I get home, but my last limit experiment backfired when I tried getting a bit more aggressive postflop (I was probably a little too loose preflop, i haven't really analysed it yet). That was at 3/6 so i'm a little down after that. I was winning at 2/4 but this 'style' didn't work at 3/6 as it was a little too passive. I've dabbled a little in 5/10 and i'm showing a profit for it, but it wasn't near enough hands to be meaningful.

What's your VPIP like at 5/10? How would you classify your play (loose/tight, passive/aggressive, pre- and post-flop).

The strategy was recommended to me by 2 professionals who are winning 30/60 players. I think a lot of players would say its loose aggressive. My VPIP is over 30%. A guy on 2+2 told me there are players making 2BB/100 with a VPIP 22-28% which I just can't believe. I think it has to be higher in order to make up for the money you lose in the blinds, and tight players just get eaten alive at these tables. I think my range is "ok" but I need to tidy up a few hands and be able to adjust them depending on how the tables are playing. I am showing proft UTG with 78s, 89s, 9Ts, 9To, JTo, and J9o, but not with Q9o, QTo. QTo, QTs, K9s which is very interesting but my sample size is only 25K hands.

aidankk

nickey, if you are analysing these hands, could u look at your success rate with pocket pairs in limit. To me it seems that they are about the worst hand, as you can never get the overcards out until maybe the river.. The only way i can see to win other than picking up a set, is if someone raises before u and then u can re-raise in an attempt to get heads up.. IN lower limits like 2-4 or 3-6, there always seems to be 3-4 in each pot on any 6 handed table..

Can u also check yours stats, on the days u make money , i think its much easier to make money in limit 2-6 or 3-6 at the weekend, in the evening, there always seems to be a few muppets around who will raise every pot..., and then call u down al the way with any pair..!!!!

Im on ppp for limit so im not sure if anyone find the same on other sites...

Imposter

I've had a look through the hands you mentioned and all are winners (at 3/6 and 5/10) for me except Q9o (-.29) and K9s (-.61)! It's only a little over 5k hands though so that's not really a big enough sample. Total BB/Hand of 0.11 on 273 hands.

My VPIP is 33%. Preflop raise is 7.5% and postflop aggression is 1.35 (although it's about 2 on the last ~1k hands).

I seem to have called most times with those hands though although I probably am folding too many on the flop.

NickyOD

aidankk wrote:

nickey, if you are analysing these hands, could u look at your success rate with pocket pairs in limit. To me it seems that they are about the worst hand, as you can never get the overcards out until maybe the river.. The only way i can see to win other than picking up a set, is if someone raises before u and then u can re-raise in an attempt to get heads up.. IN lower limits like 2-4 or 3-6, there always seems to be 3-4 in each pot on any 6 handed table..

Can u also check yours stats, on the days u make money , i think its much easier to make money in limit 2-6 or 3-6 at the weekend, in the evening, there always seems to be a few muppets around who will raise every pot..., and then call u down al the way with any pair..!!!!

Im on ppp for limit so im not sure if anyone find the same on other sites...

You have to muck 22-55 in limit from EP/MP They are not worth your investment even shorthanded, but if you do play them raise and don't ever limp. 6 handed I am showing profit with all pairs 66-AA and I would open raise with all of those UTG. You should also 3 bet with 77-AA to isolate. If it is folded to you on the button you can play any pair but always raise. In the blinds you can play small pairs as long as you are getting 5-1. Anything less and you are losing money because you are almost always playing for set potential alone. However in a heads up pot you should always defend your BB with any pair and attempt to steal from the SB with any pair.

NickyOD

Imposter wrote:

I've had a look through the hands you mentioned and all are winners (at 3/6 and 5/10) for me except Q9o (-.29) and K9s (-.61)! It's only a little over 5k hands though so that's not really a big enough sample. Total BB/Hand of 0.11 on 273 hands.

My VPIP is 33%. Preflop raise is 7.5% and postflop aggression is 1.35 (although it's about 2 on the last ~1k hands).

I seem to have called most times with those hands though although I probably am folding too many on the flop.

I thought you might want to read this 2+2 thread on the same subject. The answer really is that these hands play very differently depending on how weak tight or loose aggressive your table is and you need to adapt or long term you'll lose with these marginal holdings. In general its probably best to play a little tighter with these hands even if your style is to be very aggressive and open raise a lot UTG. On a weak tight table I would seriously open up and even raise UTG with 9T off but on a tough loose table I think I'd have to leave it until the CO.

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