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A little advice...

  • 25-08-2005 2:44pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭


    I'm currently in the middle of a spectacular dry patch, the usual story, no good cards, then good cards getting cracked by ass monkeys with 64o, whatever, it's all poker.

    But I'm just wondering whether I should just take a break from it entirely, or try to play through it. I'm mostly playing $5 STTs on PPP and so when the muppet breaks my KK with 93, it's not that much money, and I'm not gutted (since by the time I get KK, it's about hand 57 and I've folded the other 56, so I'm pretty bored with it :D)

    I'm still enjoying it somewhat, trying to develop my "keen" sense of putting players on hands, predicting what they'll do, etc, but the lack of incoming money is starting to grate a little. Am I throwing good money after bad, or should I just continue the way I'm going (maybe even stepping down to the $3 tables)?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭azzeretti


    My gripe here is the standard of players on these low buy-in tables. I reckon you are much more likely to get called down by an "ass monkey" with 72o at a $5 STT than a $50 or $25 (although latley I dunno about the $25!).
    It really is up to yourself. I was in a similar position a few weeks ago were it felt like I was getting terrible cards every hand. I actually stopped playing for a while and then when I started I was on the $10 STT's and noticed exactly what you describe. I would stick to $1/$2 cash games and/or $25 STT or higher to try and avoid this type of play.
    But thats just me cribbing like a ...........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 275 ✭✭Tackle


    corblimey wrote:
    I'm currently in the middle of a spectacular dry patch, the usual story, no good cards, then good cards getting cracked by ass monkeys with 64o, whatever, it's all poker.

    I won't hear a word against 64o. Played right it's a monster.

    But I'm just wondering whether I should just take a break from it entirely, or try to play through it. I'm mostly playing $5 STTs on PPP and so when the muppet breaks my KK with 93, it's not that much money, and I'm not gutted (since by the time I get KK, it's about hand 57 and I've folded the other 56, so I'm pretty bored with it :D)

    Try the shorthanded cash games, you don't have to wait around for the premium hands, and if someone cracks your KK with 93 you can buy back and clean them out. Provided it wasn't a good player pulling a few moves. In that case they'll probably take more off you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Tackle wrote:
    Try the shorthanded cash games, you don't have to wait around for the premium hands
    Is this because shorthanded, you're less likely to come up against other premium hands, so you Kx might be good or because premium hands are more likely to appear?

    Nice advice azzeretti, I've just started a slightly higher level game ($15) so I'll see if I get better results. At this level, though, I need to get itm at least once in the next 3 games :)...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭Tourneque


    What are the STT structures like on PPP ?

    More importantly, what do you mean by a dry patch - do you mean you're losing or just not making any money ?

    How long have you been playing the $5 games ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 275 ✭✭Tackle


    corblimey wrote:
    Is this because shorthanded, you're less likely to come up against other premium hands, so you Kx might be good or because premium hands are more likely to appear?

    Yes, you are less likely to come up against other premium hands. In the stt's there's no reason to play anything other than premium hands until a few people are knocked out, as you say yourself it's all fold, fold, fold. Then there's the fact that playing draws is viable in cash games so there's a whole other range of hands you can play that wouldn't be worth it in an stt.
    Regarding Kx, well if it's Kxs then it can be good in a raised pot with 2-3 players.
    You don't get your good draw on the flop, which is really what your looking for, or you don't think your paired K is good, you fold, otherwise you go with the odds. Calling a raised with this kind of hand in a full stt game would be very unprofitable long term.
    I busted two guys today with K4s and K7s, once with the flush and the other time with two pair. Both players had a go at me afterwards, wondering what I was doing in the pot in the first place.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Tourneque wrote:
    More importantly, what do you mean by a dry patch - do you mean you're losing or just not making any money ?
    Just the last 2 weeks, I've played about 20 tourneys (not much I know, but some of these were time-consuming MTTs and I've got a job) and I've gone out early in all but 1 of them (a $5 STT last Monday). I've played well, but it's just been an very unlucky run, I think, busting out on the river more times than I care to count (having been ahead on the flop).

    My problem is that I think I'm caught in a mindset now where even Ax is no good when re-raised, or when there's a chance of a flush and the villian bets into me, I assume he's got it, so I fold. So I'm not seeing a lot of flops and I'm folding a lot of money away. So because I'm afraid to call when I think I'm beaten (regardless of what the betting so far has told me) I bleed away chips til I'm forced to push with not brilliant hands. I think I'm just playing overly negatively, but until something positive happens, I can't break away. That's why I think keep playing until my luck changes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭Imposter


    Go into the micro limits and play really aggressively for a bit. You won't loose much money and you might even win some. That should get rid of some of the negativity. Then when you are feeling more confident in your game go back to the limits you are used to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭Culchie


    corblimey wrote:
    Just the last 2 weeks, I've played about 20 tourneys (not much I know, but some of these were time-consuming MTTs and I've got a job) and I've gone out early in all but 1 of them (a $5 STT last Monday). I've played well, but it's just been an very unlucky run, I think, busting out on the river more times than I care to count (having been ahead on the flop).

    My problem is that I think I'm caught in a mindset now where even Ax is no good when re-raised, or when there's a chance of a flush and the villian bets into me, I assume he's got it, so I fold. So I'm not seeing a lot of flops and I'm folding a lot of money away. So because I'm afraid to call when I think I'm beaten (regardless of what the betting so far has told me) I bleed away chips til I'm forced to push with not brilliant hands. I think I'm just playing overly negatively, but until something positive happens, I can't break away. That's why I think keep playing until my luck changes.

    Are you bankrolled OK Corblimey?

    If you are happy with your game, but recognise it as a bad run of luck, maybe you are being influenced by the sense that you are in need of a win ( I note you comment about needing a result). Are you putting too much pressure on yourself and playing scared?

    Maybe leave it until your next pay day, read a poker book in the meantime, and make a lodgement that will take some pressure off yourself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    My bank roll is fine, thanks. The kids need new shoes for the winter, but screw 'em :D

    I guess "playing scared" is the best definition of what I'm doing right now, but not from a financial point of view, more from a fish point of view. I don't want to call when everyone else is sitting at the table thinking "stupid ****, *of course* he had the flush". I'm just assuming that if I'm bet into, I've lost because it's been that way pretty much every time I call for the last 2 weeks.

    Maybe playing the lower levels and bullying my way into the money is a good way to break out of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭Tourneque


    We'll ignore the MTT results for now as it's alot harder to judge results when playing those.

    But if you've played 15 or 16 STT at $5 and are exiting quite early then there's a fair chance you're doing something wrong. I'm not saying you are but theres a chance. Of course when you get knocked out early in a run of games your confidence suffers and I think we all know how this can affect our game.

    From your original post it indicated you were playing very tight. Going out with KK and that was the only hand you'd 'played' in over 5 rounds (ok.. probably not entirely accurate but still;) ).
    I did notice though, that you said in a later post "..where even Ax is no good when re-raised.." If it's early in a STT and most players are still in then Ax is generally no good when re-raised. Certainly not unless its AK. You could be losing quite a few chips by misplaying this hand. Maybe you can clarify if I misunderstood ?

    As for dropping down... funnily enough , sometimes the players are better at $3 than at $5. I seem to recall finding that was the case on Betfair ages ago. At the $5 you'll regularly find no-one has being paying attention to how often you've folded making steals more difficult and if you can't steal a few pots/blinds in the mid stages of a game you're in trouble.

    I don't think you should move up a level if you can only afford 3 or 4 games at the new level. The fact that you're thinking more about the money doesn't help your game. It'll only encourage playing scared.

    If you're feeling frustrated then yeah, take a bash at the micro tables. In fact playing like a maniac can be a good stress relief sometimes :)

    But I second taking a break, reading a book and coming back to the game fresh. Helps focus the mind.


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