Would you do it?

fade2black

In a ladbrokes 12,000 guaranteed....237 players....2 horrific bad beats that nobody wants to hear about transformed my large stack to my coin purse...I was big blind and forced to go all in....

Ok I'm in 21st place, the worst possible position to leave the tournament as its $120 for 20th place. Everyone folds except for the small blind, the largest stack on the table, the man who pulled miracle cards to beat me...

now my question to you is...would you fold and allow the player (in this case me) to try and get into the money (as you've been playing with him a good two hours and luckily got him down to nothing) or call and beat whatever crap the system dealt his pitiful big blind ass

I have a feeling that I'm gonna get no sympathy here but I'd be curious as to what you'd all do...

Marq

em, what the hell would you do?

fade2black

ok...well I'm not too sure why you're taking that tone with me but I've folded a couple of times before in similiar situations.

Vikings

Depends on your stack, size of the blinds and size of the other next few lowest stacks, if you could hold out another round of blinds or 2 then by all means I would try hold out and get in the money. Though if you are the lowest stack then all those above you will be playing tighter than normal until you drop, what cards did you have out of interest?

fade2black

basically I was tring to hold out for as long as I could....folding the likes of 9J etc...waiting for my turn to be big blind (which was 1000, I had 900 left). Big stack had 28,000. So i'm automatically in and see J3, he has Q2 and wins with a high card.

Vikings

Well you were left in a bad position having less than a BB you could be beat by any two cards from the big blind, all down to luck from there really. Can't say you played it wrong, I would have thrown em in on the first two cards after the bad beats myself though

fade2black

No you wouldn't cause if you're in 24th place and the dealer button has just passed you...and the first 20 get paid...well maybe you would but should you??

Vikings

Hard to say if you should, if the dealer button just passed then the first 2 decent cards I got would make me call, I wouldnt want to risk waiting and getting rubbish on the big blind.

fade2black

Good point....In those ensuing hands though...other players may exit from the other tables....it's quite the predicament.

Iago

fade2black wrote:

In a ladbrokes 12,000 guaranteed....237 players....2 horrific bad beats that nobody wants to hear about transformed my large stack to my coin purse...I was big blind and forced to go all in....

Ok I'm in 21st place, the worst possible position to leave the tournament as its $120 for 20th place. Everyone folds except for the small blind, the largest stack on the table, the man who pulled miracle cards to beat me...

now my question to you is...would you fold and allow the player (in this case me) to try and get into the money (as you've been playing with him a good two hours and luckily got him down to nothing) or call and beat whatever crap the system dealt his pitiful big blind assI have a feeling that I'm gonna get no sympathy here but I'd be curious as to what you'd all do...

what you're suggesting is collusion and is illegal. As big stack I would make it my priority to put pressure on the small stack whether it was my mother, the pope, my worst enemy or a complete stranger.

This is poker, not a SVP shop

fade2black

fair enough

Vamos

Iago wrote:

what you're suggesting is collusion and is illegal. As big stack I would make it my priority to put pressure on the small stack whether it was my mother, the pope, my worst enemy or a complete stranger.

This is poker, not a SVP shop

There is a big argument for folding here if you are as in this case the largest stack at the table. And it would not be remotely like colluding.
Ye are down to the bubble or the next big jump in money and in this situation a lot of people want to scrape into the bigger money and will not risk their chips when there is a small stack so close to getting bust.
With the big stack you should attack these peoples blinds with raises nearly every hand. You can pick up a lot of chips this way, and by folding to the lowest stack you keep yourself in this great situation, call and knock him out and you've let your control of the table go.

Waylander

Sorry Vamos I don't agree at all. You are getting 3-1 on your call here and that is your maximum exposure. The player on the big blind is small blind next hand even if he wins this one and will more then likely be all in there too. There is no arguement for folding in this situation. Call with any 2 cards.

Vamos

Waylander wrote:

Sorry Vamos I don't agree at all. You are getting 3-1 on your call here and that is your maximum exposure. The player on the big blind is small blind next hand even if he wins this one and will more then likely be all in there too. There is no arguement for folding in this situation. Call with any 2 cards.

Fair enough, but I think you could be giving up a lot of control of the table.
He'd pick up your small blind if you fold, which would cover his small blind on the next hand so he wouldnt be all-in and you still can bully the rest of the small stacks and pick up a lot of chips.

Rodge

I'd have called before looking at my cards. 400 more out of my stack of 28,000 to win 1800 and knock out a player.
Welcome to AutoCallsVille, population me.

IMO, anyone who folds here is an idiot.

Ste05

I actually see a bit of sense in what Vamos is saying here,

Vamos

Rodge wrote:

I'd have called before looking at my cards. 400 more out of my stack of 28,000 to win 1800 and knock out a player.
Welcome to AutoCallsVille, population me.

IMO, anyone who folds here is an idiot.

It's not about knocking out a player, its about control of the table, its about stealing more chips off the bigger stacks in later hands who are still waiting for someone to bubble. Stealing at the bubble stage can get you massive amounts of chips.

The Gecko

fade2black wrote:

Good point....In those ensuing hands though...other players may exit from the other tables....it's quite the predicament.

They may leave the table or they may double up and your still behind if you dont play. In this position its pure gamble....... lets face it with such a short stack your always gonna get a call just for the sake of a call (as happened)....

so I would try try to get my chips in with a half decent hand against a lot of callers, the odds may be lower but the return is greater. By doing this you are eliminating the risk of being forced to gamble with drek on the BB and increasing your return if you luck out.......I have done this in the past and when you pick up the eqvelent of 3-4 BBs it gives you a chance to build and hold out for a strong hand.

I should add that I really struggle not to take a gamble late on in tourney play when I am short stacked even if I know I am behind. BUT I am working on getting rid of the "ahhhhh F*** it I'll gamble" aspect of my game.

Ollieboy

I would have call you. I was playing in a big tourney and we were all playing together for ages. I was in the SB position with the big stack and the shortstack was the BB, which was also all in, I let him have it, to allow him to make the money, he came back and beat me on the final table for 9th place and he got 2nd place.

We were both laughing about it, but I had the guy beaten and should have taken him out when given the chance. It was a silly mistake and will never happen again.

In truth, it was unfair also to the other guy on the bubble. But the table agreed in general to let him make it to the money. Just got caught up in the moment and the craic.

Waylander

I understand what Vamos is saying, but there are two tables and presumably more then one short stack. It is only a matter of a few hands before someone else goes out, if that player does not from the short blind. I do not think you would have long enough dominating the table to make that a feasible play. Also, I take any chance I can to knock players out late on in a tournament, like slowplaying it can come back and kick you in the balls when you do not take the chance.