Badly Played Hand. Advice?

Dave

From the Mayfair €30 FO last night

I think I played this hand badly on every street, so advice would be great so at least I get something for my €30

Level I - Blinds 25/50, 7 handed, I have about 1850 in chips

I'm BB and get dealt aces, 6 limpers and I make it another 200 to play. Everyone calls.

Flop comes Ad 6h 3d
Checked to me I open for 100

Everyone flat calls unfortunately

Turn 5h

Checked to me, I bet 300

3 callers

River 2c

Guy in front goes all in, I know I'm beat but call, he shows 9d 4d

Where did I go wrong? I'm sure I could have played this differently and taken the pot before a showdown.

[edit] It was great to hear the dealer tell me how I should have played it aswell, lovely stuff, really made me fell better. :rolleyes:

Iago

Dave wrote:

From the Mayfair €30 FO last night

I think I played this hand badly on every street, so advice would be great so at least I get something for my €30

Level I - Blinds 25/50, 7 handed, I have about 1850 in chips

I'm BB and get dealt aces, 6 limpers and I make it another 200 to play. Everyone calls.

I'd of raised it by 500. There's already 300 in the pot, you want to isolate one player here not play in a multi pot. If they all fold it's still 6*BBs, 300 extra chips, 16% more chips for your stack...whichever way you want to calculate it.

Flop comes Ad 6h 3d
Checked to me I open for 100

Everyone flat calls unfortunately

You have to push here, there's 1400 in the pot and you have 1600 left. There's a possible straight and flush draw on the board, you have to price them out of chasing it.

Turn 5h

Checked to me, I bet 300

3 callers

I'd never of got to this stage but again, you should have pushed if you were going to bet at all. Although there is a chance that someone has hit their straight draw after the previous round of betting

River 2c

Guy in front goes all in, I know I'm beat but call, he shows 9d 4d

Where did I go wrong? I'm sure I could have played this differently and taken the pot before a showdown.

[edit] It was great to hear the dealer tell me how I should have played it aswell, lovely stuff, really made me fell better. :rolleyes:

He had odds preflop because everyone else called and after that you made it cheap enough for him to chase his flush and then gutshot straight draw.

If it was me, I'd of raised 500 preflop and depending on who came with me I'd of pushed or check raised on the flop.

bohsman

a) The dealer is a terrible player and has no right to tell you how you should have played the hand.

b) You should have raised more preflop, that would have gotten rid of MY 9d4d, from there Im priced in all the way with a massive draw on the turn, I actually tought you might have trip aces with the tiny flop bet. And I know its difficult but you knew you were beat so FOLD

I would advise you to always raise/bet the pot or even more if you think someone is drawing

bohsman

Iago wrote:

He had odds preflop because everyone else called and after that you made it cheap enough for him to chase his flush and then gutshot straight draw.

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Gutshot? How dare you, I was openended, as far as that goes I should have pushed on the turn but wanted to keep annoying American in the pot

Iago

my apologies Oscar, an unforgiveable mistake on my part...:D but it could have been a gutshot and you still would have called

would the 500 preflop raise have taken you away from the hand? the others?

bohsman

If the raise is any bigger Im out of there,(I was of course the BB) early on with 2000 starting chips while you need a double up quickly you cant risk too many chips with rubbish like that but I was priced in altough I nearly folded anyway

Iago

it would be interesting to know what the others had. A bigger raise preflop might have brought an Ax in with you and then a push on the flop could have doubled you through.

either way you should have raised more preflop, after that everything else is just details

Dave

I see, I suppose in the back of my mind I had the hand won after the flop. The reason I didn't raise more preflop was because I wanted to keep a few people in and get paid. When you know you're ahead preflop do you really want to be raising people out of it? I suppose it is better to win a small pot than lose a big one. I'm only playing a few months so forgive the stupid questions.

Dave

How was the table anyway bohsman, where'd you finish? What were the other players like?

bohsman

Yes you want to keep people in, but not 5 people, a bigger raise may have kept 1 or 2 people in and you could have been looking at a double up but you always have to make people pay, Annoying American claimed he had a flush draw, had he stayed to a bigger raise chances are he would have doubled you up

bohsman

Dave wrote:

How was the table anyway bohsman, where'd you finish? What were the other players like?

The table was fairly weak, I went out to get the American cos he was really annoying me, showed a bluff and called his all in the following hand with Q8 against his 55 nice little 8 on the flop for a bit of peace and quiet, I ended up bubbling with a debateable call that had it paid off I should have won the tournament and as all prizes outside the top 2 were worthless I took a chance, also the 4k FO on PPP was calling...

NickyOD

With big pairs you've got to find a balance between getting isolation and giving yourself the best chance of winning the hand. No one will fold for another 150 preflop. That would be worse than limping because of the huge implied odds even if they have complete sh1te which means you make your hand more dificult to play out of position.. Make it 400-500 to go preflop, and bet about half the pot on the flop. Jam on the turn. There's nothing wrong with taking it down early.

califano

hello dave i was at that table, first time i seen you there. i kept my mouth shut throughout and the first time i opened it i got rebuked by the dealer. im scared of her. im always afraid she is going to scream at someone. she is an excellent dealer though in fairness.

i wasnt the american guy bye the way

bohsman

rounders123 wrote:

hello dave i was at that table, first time i seen you there. i kept my mouth shut throughout and the first time i opened it i got rebuked by the dealer. im scared of her. im always afraid she is going to scream at someone. she is an excellent dealer though in fairness.

i wasnt the american guy bye the way

Unbelievable call with the K2 btw :eek:

Dave

What seat were you in rounders, just to put faces to names, I'm going to guess seat 2.

califano

i know, i seen that look of awe from you!, im not usually that bad. in fact my whole game last night was poor, im still annoyed at myself. i was out of sorts and wasnt enjoying myself at all from the start.

mewso

Dave wrote:

I see, I suppose in the back of my mind I had the hand won after the flop. The reason I didn't raise more preflop was because I wanted to keep a few people in and get paid. When you know you're ahead preflop do you really want to be raising people out of it?

First of all always be aware of what the nuts is. On the flop you have the nuts and on the turn a 45 is the nuts if I'm not mistaken. The idea being to be aware of what might be out there.
Secondly read up on pot odds and adjust your betting once you understand this. Of course you want to get paid when you hit a big hand but the aim is to make a bet large enough that the caller would be making a mistake (because he is not getting the correct odds) by calling.
One of the first things players seem to learn are the sneaky things. i.e. slow playing a set on the flop etc. Thats fine but check the texture of the flop. In this case there are 2 diamonds so you want to price out any possible flush draw and bet the pot for example.
With something like Aces you want A caller, not several so you make the bet large. If nobody calls you then it's no big deal, move on.

bohsman

That American twat really put me off my game and I think I kept about as quiet as you, dont know if you were around when I showed the bluff but that was definitely worth the 30euro

Dave yea you got it Rounders was in seat2

califano

Dave wrote:

What seat were you in rounders, just to put faces to names, I'm going to guess seat 2.

yeah that was me in seat 2 with the black t-shirt. the american guy hailing me as the poker champ at the start because he seen me will the freeroll rocked me a bit with the big up.

califano

bohsman wrote:

That American twat really put me off my game and I think I kept about as quiet as you

i seen early on that your nut was getting done in with the chat. you were rubbing your head a lot, that gave me a clue that maybe you werent enjoying things so far!.

dunkamania

Was this table 3,If so I arrived late and sat to the left of the American.
Got dealt KK first hand and lost 700 when the american AK hit an A on the
flop.Had fun though. :rolleyes:

ionapaul

Wish I made it last night - damn my friend for giving me free tickets to the Pixies! Of the 20 'regular' players there on a Tuesday night, the vast majority are sound but two or three are incredibly annoying. Which is a higher percentage than you would find in the Fitz. Since most there are beginners, they get away with being annoying as no-one knows enough to tell them where to shove it.

That Tuesday game also has an interesting mix of incredibly loose-aggressive on the one hand and tight-passive on the other. Some only raise pre-flop with a handful of premium hands. The same fellas seem to get to the final table each week I go. It will be fun to see how this tournament (and the Mayfair's poker schedule) develops over the next 6 months.

Culchie

ionapaul wrote:

It will be fun to see how this tournament (and the Mayfair's poker schedule) develops over the next 6 months.

New schedule starts in September

http://www.mayfaircasinoclub.com/games/poker2.htm