Dell Server Again - €149+

Jnealon

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vibe666

jesus that's a good deal. you wouldn't be taking over the world with it or anything, but it'd do the job. be worth spending an extra €50 on some extra ram, but apart from that it's a fine starter server for the price. would do a small soho office grand.
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Nukem

Was goin to post this yesterday but said i wouldnt because its for small biz only; cant find a home link! Also you'll notice thats ex VAT and Del. - its still an ok deal but not as good as the one before with the Xeon CPU

Nukem

Jnealon

Wasn't too sure to post or not. It works out at around €230 all in. The small biz is't a problem as anybody can order them.
I might wait as they seem to come around at least every quarter and some deals are better than others

maidhc

Is there any benefit in buying a dedicated server for a home network rather than using a old P3 or cheapo Dimension?

All it would be doing is sharing a miserable 56k connection, sharing a couple of printers and backing up stuff from other computers....

The VAT and Delivery make it a bit expensive...grr

quarryman

strange the way it doesn't come with a network card..

blorg

quarryman wrote:

strange the way it doesn't come with a network card..

I think it has an embedded gigabit NIC on the motherboard.

http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/sc420_specs.pdf

quarryman

you'd think so, being a server and all.

RicardoSmith

Doesn't seem that great. No OS, no monitor, no keyboard, no mouse, 256 ram and 80GB HD. With only a celeron you'd build the same thing cheaper. The last one was a Xeon. Big difference.

blorg

€149 for a server is cheap, no question. There are a lot of server applications that don't need a Xeon; most of them probably.

You can't expect an OS at that price and you don't need a monitor, keyboard, etc. for a server anyway.

EDIT: I would be very interested to see you build the thing cheaper.

RicardoSmith

Its €240 with vat and its only 256mb of ram so you'd need another 256 and its ECC so that brings it to €300. To that you need a screen, keyboard or mouse, and a OS.

blorg

All servers are ECC. You generally don't need screen, keyboard and mouse. And you need an OS anyway: Windows is going to cost what it costs wherever you go, while Linux is free.

Most people buying a server will be claiming the VAT back in any case, so that isn't a concern.

I don't quite understand - where can you get a cheaper server?

Sponge Bob

once you add any kind of raid and decent memory (512 Min) its about €600 and then add 2003 SBS beinging it to €1000 for 5 users, still OK IMO

blorg

Sponge Bob wrote:

once you add any kind of raid and decent memory (512 Min) its about €600 and then add 2003 SBS beinging it to €1000 for 5 users, still OK IMO

Believe it or not, there are even server applications that don't need RAID or Windows...

Sponge Bob

server applications need raid more than they need ECC , I will concede on windows as one could run redhat with a smidgin of samba .

I deliberately mentioned SBS for €400 for 5 users which is windows and exchange servers in one with sql server if you need it. Not bad at all. That scales to 80 users at €80 per user.

KTRIC

Did anyone buy one of these, there are still some left.

woody

is this onboard graphics on this ??

BadCharlie

What is ECC ? I guess its differint them mt ddr ram ?

egan007

Got 2 got one basic and one with p4 and double memory
Sweet machines network is flying it now.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

ECC = Error-Correcting Code.

clicky

ambrose :cool:

RicardoSmith

blorg wrote:

All servers are ECC. You generally don't need screen, keyboard and mouse. And you need an OS anyway: Windows is going to cost what it costs wherever you go, while Linux is free.

Most people buying a server will be claiming the VAT back in any case, so that isn't a concern.

I don't quite understand - where can you get a cheaper server?

A server is just a computer thats used as a server. It can have any kind of hardware or software on it. A server is defined by its role. Anyone that needs a business server would need something with a better spec, and anyone who want it as second machine would be better "served", with non ECC ram, and a better spec. There maybe people who need a lightweight and limited machine like this. Usually a server is best with a decent CPU with decent cache, lots of ram and lots of HD space

The advantage the last time was you could buy two single Xeon machines and combine them since they were dual processor machines. And that
gave you a cheap dual Xeon server. Which runs server apps really well. Or even use it as a workstation.

po0k

Sponge Bob wrote:

server applications need raid more than they need ECC , I will concede on windows as one could run redhat with a smidgin of samba .

I deliberately mentioned SBS for €400 for 5 users which is windows and exchange servers in one with sql server if you need it. Not bad at all. That scales to 80 users at €80 per user.

*nix, exim + amavis + spam assassin, mysqld.
Scales to whatever you like.
€0.
Why people use Exchange at all is beyond me.
For the price that box is ok, it's not much of a bargain though, but you're getting it pretty much at cost.

RicardoSmith - you're telling me that someone who'd be buying a server in the first place wouldn't have a monitor or keyboard (don't really need a mouse) to spare for the hour or two to install the OS and get it on some sort of network connection for remote management?

Stop being a twat.

RicardoSmith

SyxPak wrote:

....
Stop being a twat.

Name calling LOL

The point is its not a good deal. As is it doesn't make a good server, and it doesn't make even a good desktop. Anything it will run you could run on a P3 you could pick up for €60. If you have monitor and other kit lying around, you probably have old PC's aswell. Theres been loads of them on the for sale forums for next to nothing. As you as you get this running you will want to upgrade it. If you don't need to upgrade it then you could have got away with something cheaper to do the same thing.

blorg

RicardoSmith wrote:

Name calling LOL

The point is its not a good deal. As is it doesn't make a good server, and it doesn't make even a good desktop. Anything it will run you could run on a P3 you could pick up for €60. If you have monitor and other kit lying around, you probably have old PC's aswell. Theres been loads of them on the for sale forums for next to nothing. As you as you get this running you will want to upgrade it. If you don't need to upgrade it then you could have got away with something cheaper to do the same thing.

Ricardo, you cannot get a *new* computer for less than the price of that server anywhere, that is the point. Most businesses don't trawl through boards.ie looking to pickup 6 year old PIIIs to use as a server.

There are plenty of server applications that don't need much horsepower but would benefit from running on their own machine (reduces conflicts.) This box would be perfect for such a use.

Amigaman

Hi All
the point missed here is that the sc420 is a very modable piece of kit :-)
http://poweredgeforums.com/showthread.php?t=1899
And
http://poweredgeforums.com/showthread.php?t=1954
mod and enjoy :-)...

Sponge Bob

SyxPak wrote:

Why people use Exchange at all is beyond me.

they already have outlook

davork

RicardoSmith wrote:

Its €240 with vat and its only 256mb of ram so you'd need another 256 and its ECC so that brings it to €300. To that you need a screen, keyboard or mouse, and a OS.

The 400SC was a more modable box, but heck, the 420SC isn't too shabby either

Naturally Dell's replacement for the 420SC is already out and has the original name of the 430SC. No, there wasn't a 410SC (that I'm aware of)

I've got a few(!) of the 400SC's and a couple 420SC's in both client sites and the labs. Work fine, and damm, are they quiet compared with my Dimension 4700 LOL!

Doodee

or my 1600sc

mind u, considering that was only 100e more and bundled witha xeon im happy. now ifonly i could get that PCI fx5700le

tred

RicardoSmith wrote:

A server is just a computer thats used as a server. It can have any kind of hardware or software on it. A server is defined by its role. Anyone that needs a business server would need something with a better spec, and anyone who want it as second machine would be better "served", with non ECC ram, and a better spec. There maybe people who need a lightweight and limited machine like this. Usually a server is best with a decent CPU with decent cache, lots of ram and lots of HD space

The advantage the last time was you could buy two single Xeon machines and combine them since they were dual processor machines. And that
gave you a cheap dual Xeon server. Which runs server apps really well. Or even use it as a workstation.

What are you on. Its a bargain. your on the wrong thread if ur comparing this to your great package deal from currys. this would be a great server for a small business. you wouldnt buy this if you only needed one machine. be great for backing up databases or even file storage. connect it to a switch box, and have ur admin guy only switch to it when it screws up!!!.. walk away.(you do realise if you have 3 pc's you dont need 3 Monitors and 3 keyboards and 3 mice)
You cant even try and compare this to your fujistus home pc, with Microsft works and a modem all for 699. !!!!... If you want a big server with lots of ram and storage, and need it for say software development or a database appliation server, then you wouldnt really be looking at buying this.......
thats my call on it anyway....

RicardoSmith

Actually I'm comparing with the deal I (and others) got earlier in the year from Dell outlet and what others got then. Since then theres been very little genuine bargains on the outlet. Like I said this isn't a good deal Compared to the last server deal.

Currys.."fujistus"? Ha ha.