RTÉ try to fix DOG's

Round Cable

Well RTÉ TWO now has a 16:9 DOG in the 14:9 position on 4:3 prgrammes, it's a great meet of aspect ratios, sadly would it be that difficult to put a 4:3 DOG in the 4:3 position? Apparently it is. :rolleyes: Pity they wouldn't work on making the damn things smaller, less bright, and put them in a decent position, well it will be years 'til we see that. :mad:

Mossy Monk

only one way to fix them and that is getting rid

marksi

RTÉ appear to have invented their own set of safe areas for graphics. A viewer watching on satellite in centre-cut-out will see É ONE. I would be surprised if the position of the RTÉ TWO logo on trails was not too low for a good number of sets' cut-off.

Nothing should ever be lined up with 14:9 in mind.

limerick_man

hahaha that signature is great round cable!!!

Elmo

Yes they should get rid of them.

There are four TV stations in Ireland. 2 from RTE, 1 INDO (TV3) the other TG4.

TG4 I think have their dog/bug right.

TG4 commission and aquire all of it's programming from its base in Galway(exculding the News which is provided by RTÉ).


Also Setanta Sport and Soon C6 and City Channel.

Round Cable

I agree, the DOGs should go, or more to the point they should never have been there in the first place. As far as I can tell they are here to stay (even if they can't use them correctly), any emails I sent to RTÉ on this subject are passed onto higher people/relevent department, RTÉ translation: Deleted.

Mossy Monk

hmmmmmmmm

i have just seen the repositioned RTÉ TWO DOG and although it looks better on 16:9 it looks **** on 4:3. please RTÉ stop wasting money trying to fix them and just drop them altogether

Telefís

Whereas they don't really irritate me that much, I'd have to agree.
The odd time they do get frustrating, but mainly I'd like to see them go simply on the grounds that DOGs are a naff, largely commercial television-generated feature, and have absolutely no place on the output of a national broadcaster - they're unprofessional and unnecessary.

I'd equate them to the ridiculous and bordering on childish use of RTÉ foam blocks on microphones on RTÉ News - again the influence of crappy American commercial television.
A microphone ought never be seen in the majority of circumstances, but this is yet another of many generally accepted rules RTÉ chooses to ignore in the presentation department - that's if the term presentation even exists in the happy happy world of Montrose.


As fully expected, RTÉ simply do not have the ability nor will to execute the transition from 4:3 to 16:9 smoothly. By all accounts yes, it is a process fraught with difficulties, but nothing that can't be handled by any competent broadcaster.

The make a muck of everything constantly, from incorrect DOG placements on standard output, to the appalling positioning of DOGs for the 'tonight at Nine' link from the Newsroom at 8pm, to link graphics before and after breaks being shown in the wrong aspect ratio, to the graphics on trailers being incorrect, to the weather being constantly mucked up to a farcical extent, including only last night all graphics being stretched to 16:9 behind the weathercaster (I dread to think what they were like doubly stretched when watching 16:9!), and the fact that all pictures submitted by the public for use at the start of bulletins are stretched to a ridiculous degree to 16:9 - I mean what a joke.
And the graphics for the summary chart have still not been properly sorted out, with a light line evident at the top of the graphic where it joins the black bar.

I rarely turn on RTÉ now (every day) without some aspect ratio cock-up being evident. They handle it exactly how I expected them to handle it - pathetically.

Elmo

Unfortunately I can see that the BBC, ITV and C4 will soon have their own Dogs.

I hadn't realised that BBC 3/4 had DOG. The BBC THREE one is massive.

As is the ITV 3 one.

:mad:

Round Cable

BBC1/2 and Channel 4 had DOG's, after complaints they were dropped, so I doubt that they will ever reappear again. At least the BBC listens, they made the BBC Three one smaller and more transparent, whereas RTÉ have made their bigger since they started. More to the point RTÉ had 2 decent Irish DOG's to go on, and they come up with that :rolleyes: No other channel has been bitten as much as RTÉ in the transition to widescreen. One word springs to mind: Unprofessional.

Mossy: They have dug themselves a hole, and rather than just drop them, they keep spending money on fixing them.

There's one thing I've learned from the RTÉ DOG's after complaining and getting no-where, it very easy not to watch RTÉ, apart from News, Sport and Aertel, it rarely graces our screen, and the licence fee doesn't go to waste completely.

ffocused

The Premiership live is now widescreen and they have the time and scoreboard dog in the correct position. Maybe get RTE sport to look after the regular dogs?

Round Cable

ffocused wrote:

The Premiership live is now widescreen and they have the time and scoreboard dog in the correct position. Maybe get RTE sport to look after the regular dogs?

In 4:3 the first number of the clock is cut off on both the soccer and GAA. They could do with a slight move to the right.

Elmo

The E4 dog is always in a different place is that just NTL or E4?

rogue-entity

I do not see the big deal, I am in favour of Channel ID's. Not everyone chooses to use digital because it costs money, and some of us have better things to spend our money on.

When you use analogue cable/rabbit ears, the DOG is a blessing, it makes it so much easier to ID the channel, especialy when you are able to receive BBC1/2 ITV, CH4 etc. Without a DOG I could not tell one from the other unless I watched it long enough.

Maybe they could stop showing the DOG during films, but other then that I just dont see the problem, when I am watching RTE I dont spend my time looking at the DOG, but rather the programs being shown at the time, and that is only when I actualy watch RTE, Sky One is better then any Irish channel by miles.

Mossy Monk

why not show them on analogue (which has no EPG) and drop them on digital platforms. most tv's have a function that allow you to type in the channel name, other tv's will use teletext to get the channel name. this whole, they dont interfere with the programme arguement is imo bull****. when you are watching a scene where it is dark, it is hard to not notice that blasted DOG in the top left hand corner

as for Sky One being better than all Irish channels. TV3 maybe but thats about it

Elmo

Why dogs don't do anything for the viewer.

1. If you only have the 4 TV channels you know where you have put those channels. IE 1 on 1 2 on 2 3 on 3 and 4 on 4.
2. If you are watching a show on any of the stations the breaks come on and you know you are watch 1,2,3 or 4.
3. put up teletext you know if you are watching 1, 2, 3 or 4.

However if you are watching RTE TWO and you dont have digital and you don't have teletext or a news paper handy you will never get to know the name of the show your watching if you missed the continuity announcer introduction. :mad: But ur garunteed that ur are watching RTE TWO.

Brian017

I find it annoying that the clock is cut off on GAA/Soccer programmes

Mossy Monk

what platform do you view on?

cant say i have that problem myself and i view on Sky Digital

Brian017

Mossy Monk wrote:

what platform do you view on?

cant say i have that problem myself and i view on Sky Digital

I view on Sky too, although the problem maybe I mostly use my portable TV.

Round Cable

No when viewing it in 4:3 the first digit is cut off, not enough safe area RTÉ.

Mossy Monk

ah. it wasnt always that way though was it? i seem to remember a game or 2 where it was ok

Round Cable

I watch most matches in widescreen, of the championship I watched about 5 matches in 4:3 and not one had the DOG in the correct position, hopefully they'll fix it once and for all.

DMC

Na, its still the same for all the GAA games. I think they got it right for the Premiership highlights, but not for live games. Dopes.