Will Sony Take out Apple ?

Shadow_2k5

was recently in a Sony Centre & looking at there new Range of Vaio & Mp3 walkman devices
they are realy trying to Kill Apples ipod and i asked one of the store people how well is the New Mp3 player doing they said there flying out & as i was in the store ive seen bout 5 of the Mp3 walkman being sold.
even there ad campain is agansed the ipod for exsample Sony's New iPod Killer. wounder what Apple think of that.
ok there new Mp3 walkMan the NWHD5 has a battrey life of 40 hrs aparently & it also aparently holds more songs then the 20GB ipod yet its a 20GB itself 13K songs the 20GB ipod has a batt life of 15hrs & holds 5k songs
I personaly think sonys NWHD5 is good on paper compared to the pod but there down fall is Sonic Stage & connect music store .
If its suspopse to be the Ipod Killer the funnyist thing is its not Apple Compadable and even some of there vaios are starting to look a little like the imac G5. and there are people out there that will get the Sony Mp3 Walkman because its Sony. well what do you people think could sony take Apple out with there new stock & ad campane.

heggie

apple make more than ipods.

Gilgamesh

sony don't have to go after Apple, hell, Apple is hardly even on Sony's radar at this stage.
And regarding the spacs of the new HD5, they are actually true, 40 hours playback, not a problem, and the way SONy get more songs on to the same size drive is because the files are compressed onto the Drive, they have this on the HD3 too, and the best thing is, that the sound quality imho on the Sony is far superior to the IPod

Töpher

The sound from my arse rubbing off the chair at work is far superior to the iPod!

SonicStage, is a manjor downfall. Never had much luck with it, very resource hevay and likes to crash alot.

Board@Work

heggie wrote:

apple make more than ipods.

true but more and more of their revenue is reliant upon the iPod. If the iPod sales crash then Apple will be in serious trouble

Borzoi

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SonicStage, is a manjor downfall. Never had much luck with it, very resource hevay and likes to crash alot.

I've heard from others how bad it is - but after loading about 150 albums on to my NWHD1 - I can't say I've had any real problems

BTW yes the battery life is awesome. And the macnine loks far better to the ipod - polished steel mmm, white plastic yeuch

Sniipe

to get more tunes into the 20gig; don't sony use a new compression which is equivalant to mp4?

Ernesto

As a Sony Centre Employee and a Mac user. Sony's downfall is there userUN-friendly software with an amazing amount of bugs and unresolved glitches and problems. on average, whether it be 256mb / 1gb or 20gm models, 3 in 5 are being returned faulty. sony software allows you to RIP CDs at ATRAC 256KB/s quality but DOES NOT let you convert it to MP3 or any other format


sony are **** in these areas. they try to be snazzy and cool but just end up being sh1te

Ernesto

Sniipe wrote:

to get more tunes into the 20gig; don't sony use a new compression which is equivalant to mp4?

no different than Apple usingtheir own format - AAC

Clank

Ernesto wrote:

no different than Apple usingtheir own format - AAC

They are one of few who use it, its not 'theirs' though, far from it.

Ham'nd'egger

Board@Work wrote:

true but more and more of their revenue is reliant upon the iPod. If the iPod sales crash then Apple will be in serious trouble

Your point is like saying that since they got rid of bus conductors, more bus drivers handle cash and that if bus fares were free the bus companies would go bust.

Yeah, iPods have scored Apple a huge revenue increase, but then so has their 40 odd % in computer units in the last 2 years. Their software is spreading ss well, and their media sidelines. It's all growth for Mac. What if PC sales go down, Dell (spit) lose out, ditto with iPod. And it's still the Mpeg player to go for, the easy one to use and go for.

ZENER

I've always been a fan of Sony gear, style and quality. However in much the same way as battery problems with Gen 1 iPods stuck like glue the screw up Sony made of not letting their first players directly support MP3 has cost them dearly.

Many who bought their player didn't understand the consequences of using the ATRAC compression (let alone know what it was) system and what it would do to their existing collection of MP3 files. By "supporting" MP3 they actually converted the files to their own propriotry format destroying the sound quality.

As for killing the iPod: Not a chance ! iPod has become the generic term for all MP3 players in much the same way that Walkman referred to all portable cassette players and to a lesser extent CD players. The iPod makes things simple for the buyer, a quality player, excellent simple to use software, and an extensive music store and podcast collection to boot ! For this reason it will stay #1 for a while to come I think.

As for sound quality, this is a very subjective area, each to his own as it were. I happen to like the sound QUALITY of the iPod even though the default configuration keeps the sound LEVEL low to protect your ears.

As for the 13000 songs:

Store up to 13,000 songs
Store up to 13,000 songs when using the ATRAC3plus audio fomat at 48kbps

Compare that to the new AAC format. and both capacity and battery life will improve. Sony quote their battery life at the low bitrate setting whereas Apple quote a more realistic rate for the more standardised MP3 format at 128Kbps. It's not really a fair comparison unless they both quote like for like.

My 2c !

ZEN

Shadow_2k5

ok so we have people out there that think Sony Mp3 player is better then apple's ipod
ok has any one downloaded from Sony Connect webcite its a joke you type in an artists name & it randomley picks artists out of the blue for exsample try find your fave artist & Album on sony connect site it will bring you up a load of bull shi*
I agree The NWHD1,3 & 5 are decent on paper & in proformance the pod is a much nicer unit for one & its scroll is great compareing the pod to the NWHD's try both of em out & you will see what I mean
please if you have a Window's PC try connect out & you will see what i mean oh yeah & connect is not Mac compadable :mad:
Itunes store is one of the best online Music stores & it always give you the artists stuff you want none of the random crap sony connect give you

Shadow_2k5

Ernesto wrote:

no different than Apple usingtheir own format - AAC

yes but apple will let you Make Mp3 CD's which sony wont I hope sony Fail because of the unfriendly soft & connect site its given me more Pains in the Balls then anything reasion I used Connect is for me Sony Car Audio/Atrac3 mp3 system its a great Car system. Pity Itrip was well banned from Europe

Shadow_2k5

ZENER wrote:

I've always been a fan of Sony gear, style and quality. However in much the same way as battery problems with Gen 1 iPods stuck like glue the screw up Sony made of not letting their first players directly support MP3 has cost them dearly.

Many who bought their player didn't understand the consequences of using the ATRAC compression (let alone know what it was) system and what it would do to their existing collection of MP3 files. By "supporting" MP3 they actually converted the files to their own propriotry format destroying the sound quality.

As for killing the iPod: Not a chance ! iPod has become the generic term for all MP3 players in much the same way that Walkman referred to all portable cassette players and to a lesser extent CD players. The iPod makes things simple for the buyer, a quality player, excellent simple to use software, and an extensive music store and podcast collection to boot ! For this reason it will stay #1 for a while to come I think.

As for sound quality, this is a very subjective area, each to his own as it were. I happen to like the sound QUALITY of the iPod even though the default configuration keeps the sound LEVEL low to protect your ears.

As for the 13000 songs:



Compare that to the new AAC format. and both capacity and battery life will improve. Sony quote their battery life at the low bitrate setting whereas Apple quote a more realistic rate for the more standardised MP3 format at 128Kbps. It's not really a fair comparison unless they both quote like for like.

My 2c !

ZEN

oh as for the Sound on Default on the ipod this program should sort your problem for that this is GoPod http://gopod.free-go.net/index_en.htm an other thing Sony dont have you cant make the vol lever any higher then the EU law one which is on all sony Walkman Brand items

SixShot

I agree the ipod is a better unit & its True Connect-Europe is indeed Sh!te compared to iTunes & Napster Sony should Try Lern From Apple because its True The All Mighty Apple Is Gona Take Sony Out In the MP3 Area. off topic Sony Do Make Great TV,DVD,CD Walkman,Camra & Camcorders oh and ofcorse the Playstation

daveirl

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TheBigLebowski

ZENER wrote:

Sony quote their battery life at the low bitrate setting whereas Apple quote a more realistic rate for the more standardised MP3 format at 128Kbps. It's not really a fair comparison unless they both quote like for like.

My 2c !

ZEN

Is there a reason why 48kbps is not realistic? Have you actually listened to a song with 48kbps? It sounds bleedin' rapih!
You get 40 hours with 48kbps but you still get over 30 hours with 128kbps which kicks the ipod's arse all over the gaff cos I get about 9 hours with my ipod.
Sony HD5 all the way.
And I haven't had any problems with sonicstage.
Goooo Sony.
And the ipod looks crap.
So there.

flywheel

SonicStage is woeful compared to iTunes... although the ATRAC file format gave great sound quality to file size and decent battery life on the Sony stuff I used... i find that iTunes/iPod works better for my needs and have moved to Apple for my music solution now

ZENER

TheBigLebowski wrote:

Is there a reason why 48kbps is not realistic? Have you actually listened to a song with 48kbps? It sounds bleedin' rapih!
You get 40 hours with 48kbps but you still get over 30 hours with 128kbps which kicks the ipod's arse all over the gaff cos I get about 9 hours with my ipod.
Sony HD5 all the way.
And I haven't had any problems with sonicstage.
Goooo Sony.
And the ipod looks crap.
So there.

I haven't any problems with ATRAC per say it's just that like me a lot of people who have a stock of music have it in MP3 format, converting it to ATRAC is just silly. Material ripped straight to ATRAC is indistinguishable from MP3 or AAC of the same bit-rate.

The reason I mentioned 48K is that it's not a fair comparison with regards to battery life and storage capacity. Apple quote their battery life and capacity at 128K MP3, Sony at 48K ATRAC. Battery life and storage capacity are effected by the bit rate so you can see there is nothing there to compare with. A realistic comparison would be for sony to use the same format as Apple so we can make a real comparison.

As for software it's whatever suits your needs, it just so happens that iTunes happens to be more polished than SonicStage at the moment.

ZEN