Interesting sequence of out of position hands

Hectorjelly

Playing 3 handed 50 1, myself and villain have over $200. He isnt bad by 50 1 standards. He is slightly overaggressive if he think he has the best of it post flop.

I get 9Ts and call a $4 raise from the sb. The flop is TTQ. I bet $20 - he calls. Turn is rag. I bet $40, he calls. River is blank - I bet $65 he calls and I win.

I get 45o and call a $4 raise from the sb. The flop is Ktt. I call a $8 bet. The turn is a Q and I bet $30. He folds - I show.

I get QJs and call a $4 raise from the sb. The flop is QQj. How do I play this?

smurph

Hectorjelly wrote:

Playing 3 handed 50 1, myself and villain have over $200. He isnt bad by 50 1 standards. He is slightly overaggressive if he think he has the best of it post flop.

I get 9Ts and call a $4 raise from the sb. The flop is TTQ. I bet $20 - he calls. Turn is rag. I bet $40, he calls. River is blank - I bet $65 he calls and I win.

I get 45o and call a $4 raise from the sb. The flop is Ktt. I call a $8 bet. The turn is a Q and I bet $30. He folds - I show.

I get QJs and call a $4 raise from the sb. The flop is QQj. How do I play this?

Is this how do I play this after wiping the tears from your eyes from the amazement of the flop. Think about it, laugh some more, check and laugh just a little bit more laugh

Dave

What did he have in the first hand?

NickyOD

Hectorjelly wrote:

I get QJs and call a $4 raise from the sb. The flop is QQj. How do I play this?

jam it. He'll play back at you now on any paired board. I'd bet flop and turn and check raise the river.

K!LL!@N

I'd pause let him think you're making a big decision and check or min-raise.
I'd be more inclined to check though.
I'd be wary of KK or AA and him hitting a higher full house, but only slightly.
I'd be hoping he had a straight draw, Q with lower than J, anything that's going to make him jump in.

Killian

califano

Hectorjelly wrote:

I get QJs and call a $4 raise from the sb. The flop is QQj. How do I play this?

check it of course. he will feell its time to get you back by leading out. t'would be dissapointing if you raised only for him to fold.

jimbling

how soon after the other hands is this? its the same player each time right?

if the three hands were in close proximity, and you rate the player enough to be clued into the game... and to give you the respect of a good player (ie does he think your seaky?), I reckon you should bet out....

everything tells you to slow play this...and most people with the Q would, especially a few hands after betting when hitting the trebs... so thats probably what he would expect.... bet about 2/3rds the pot, and hope that someone hit the J, or obv the best result, someone has the other Q.

jimbling

rounders123 wrote:

check it of course. he will feell its time to get you back by leading out. t'would be dissapointing if you raised only for him to fold.

I disagree with this thinking... I would have thought he would get suspicious of a check... if there has been very aggressive hands leading up to this, then HJ shouldn't change that.... an A high might call this down... and if he has hit the Q as well... then your sitting pretty and will get a huge pay-off.

If the guy thinks that HJ is a good player... he will automatically assume that he wouldn't lead out with the Q... because he lead out when he hit the 10 trebs a few hands before.... I reckon he would assume the lead out is just that... a lead out...

biteme

I think I play the hand the same way as the 45o. If he's paying any attention he'll think that your at it again and probably raise you on the turn when you bet out...

jimbling

biteme wrote:

I think I play the hand the same way as the 45o. If he's paying any attention he'll think that your at it again and probably raise you on the turn when you bet out...

ya your probably right... i might be giving the player too much credit

Tackle

Well he can't like paired boards too much at this stage. I'd play it like the hand you bluffed. Even though he'd be suspicious of you doing it twice in a row, it'd be very hard for him to fold here if he has something, he'd probably feel like he has to take a stand. Probably bet a little less than $30 this time to make it easier for him to call and make him think that you don't want to risk as much money in case he calls your 'bluff' this time. Hopefully he's on a bit of tilt by this stage too.

califano

i see your point but i'd still check. hectorjelly doesnt half get nice flops, i'd never get a flop like that in a month of sundays!. we wont find hectorjelly complaining about the tribeca software!.

Rodge

All in there and then. If he has anything he's calling, thinking you're acting the sack. Otherwise he's probably folding to any bet, thinking I know hes at it again but I have nothing.

I cant see how checking could be an option here. You might eek a small bluff bet out of him but I can see alarm bells going off in his head if you check.

JuliusFranco

are these on consecutive rounds? if so even better...

bet the flop, in fact, i'd do the same as you did on the first hand!

careca

The way i look at it, he hasn't made any terrible plays yet. He obviously had something in the first hand and then folded when he thought he was behind in the second. If he has a hand he will stay in and if not I think he will just check after you. He doesn't seem the type to bet big with that flop out there. therefore you have to hope he has some of the flop and put a bet out there. as biteme says, play it like the bluff. i would bet around 8 or 10, hope he has some of the flop and is a little on tilt and comes back over the top of you.

padraig_f

Hectorjelly wrote:

I get QJs and call a $4 raise from the sb. The flop is QQj. How do I play this?

same way as the 45o hand. because you have the deck clobbered, he probably doesn't have a hand worth calling on the flop. if you bet he's going to fold or reraise and that's all you're likely to win. if you check-call you both give him a chance to catch up on the turn, and have the potential to trap him for a lot more money because if he's going to reraise the turn (on a bluff or whatever), he's going to have to commit a lot more chips.

mewso

K!LL!@N wrote:

I'd be wary of KK or AA and him hitting a higher full house, but only slightly.

Tell me you're joking. I would also check a la the 45.

K!LL!@N

musician wrote:

Tell me you're joking. I would also check a la the 45.

Not joking, no.
They were the only two hands that sprang to mind as being potentially very bad to be up against.
I did say they would only slightly worry me.
Is it wrong to think about potential upsets?

Anyway, what happened in the end?

Killian

Hectorjelly

I like to always be a step ahead of my opponents in their thinking, however because of the hands before I had no idea what he was thinking. Normally Id bet out but I had just played that trick. I check called him on the turn and then led out on the turn ala the 45o hand. He thought for ages then called. The river was a king and we both checked. He had AA.

K!LL!@N

What was the Turn?
You seem to have left that bit out.

Hectorjelly wrote:

He had AA.

I guess my thinking wasn't so flawed after all, musician.


Killian

Hectorjelly

turn was a rag

Tackle

K!LL!@N wrote:

What was the Turn?
You seem to have left that bit out.

I guess my thinking wasn't so flawed after all, musician.

Killian

Until an A or K appears on the board caution is not an option. You want to get him to put as much cash in the pot as possible. If in the very unlikey event he hits his two outer, or the like in the above example, the other danger card appears, you can slow it down.

Tourneque

Hectorjelly wrote:

... The river was a king and we both checked. He had AA.

Hector, did you check because the K appeared or because you wanted to induce a bet ?

Hectorjelly

Tourneque wrote:

Hector, did you check because the K appeared or because you wanted to induce a bet ?

When he called on the turn I thought he probably had AA or KK. I probably should of bet and folded to a raise

mewso

K!LL!@N wrote:

I guess my thinking wasn't so flawed after all, musician.

It remains flawed. Regardless of the outcome of a particular hand (and unless I read it wrong HJ won) being cautious on this hand would seem silly imo. On the flop if he has AA or KK he has a 2 outer. If you are going to be cautious about someones 2 outer....

K!LL!@N

musician wrote:

It remains flawed. Regardless of the outcome of a particular hand (and unless I read it wrong HJ won) being cautious on this hand would seem silly imo. On the flop if he has AA or KK he has a 2 outer. If you are going to be cautious about someones 2 outer....

I think you'll find i said i would have checked, which is what you said you'd do yourself.

I was just mentioning that AA and KK would be two hands that i would be wary of the other guy having.

There wasn't a huge amount of money invested in the pot. And seeing that K on the river would have sounded alarm bells in my mind, as it did with HJ.

Killian