0.25/0.50 Hand

Tackle

[Aug 16 10:13:55] : Hand Start.
[Aug 16 10:13:55] : Seat 1 : #1 Rake has $65.89
[Aug 16 10:13:55] : Seat 2 : Rava351 has $63.11
[Aug 16 10:13:55] : Seat 3 : jots has $94.37
[Aug 16 10:13:55] : Seat 4 : iseeo has $29.35
[Aug 16 10:13:55] : Seat 5 : greenlanter has $56.90
[Aug 16 10:13:55] : Seat 6 : Tacklef has $154.28
[Aug 16 10:13:55] : iseeo is the dealer.
[Aug 16 10:13:56] : greenlanter posted small blind.
[Aug 16 10:13:56] : Tacklef posted big blind.
[Aug 16 10:13:56] : Game [17197] started with 6 players.
[Aug 16 10:13:56] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Aug 16 10:13:56] : Seat 6 : Tacklef has Kc Kh
[Aug 16 10:14:02] : #1 Rake called $0.50
[Aug 16 10:14:02] : Rava351 called $0.50
[Aug 16 10:14:02] : jots folded.
[Aug 16 10:14:03] : iseeo folded.
[Aug 16 10:14:06] : greenlanter called $0.25
[Aug 16 10:14:09] : #1 Rake : nice
[Aug 16 10:14:12] : Tacklef raised $2
[Aug 16 10:14:15] : #1 Rake folded.
[Aug 16 10:14:16] : Rava351 called $2
[Aug 16 10:14:17] : greenlanter folded.
[Aug 16 10:14:17] : Dealing flop.
[Aug 16 10:14:17] : Board cards [5s 8s 3s]
[Aug 16 10:14:56] : Tacklef bet $2
[Aug 16 10:15:02] : Rava351 called $2 and raised $2
[Aug 16 10:15:07] : Tacklef called $2
[Aug 16 10:15:08] : Dealing turn.
[Aug 16 10:15:08] : Board cards [5s 8s 3s Td]
[Aug 16 10:15:10] : Tacklef checked.
[Aug 16 10:15:12] : Rava351 bet $4
[Aug 16 10:15:16] : Tacklef called $4
[Aug 16 10:15:17] : Dealing river.
[Aug 16 10:15:17] : Board cards [5s 8s 3s Td 7s]
[Aug 16 10:14:58] : Tacklef checked.
[Aug 16 10:15:03] : Rava351 bet $8
[Aug 16 10:15:18] : It's your turn.
[Aug 16 10:15:18] : Tacklef has 10 seconds to respond.


Do you call here?

Tackle

Give an answer before reading the spoiler

[Aug 16 10:15:21] : Tacklef called $8
[Aug 16 10:15:21] : Showdown!
[Aug 16 10:15:21] : Seat 6 : Tacklef has Kc Kh
[Aug 16 10:15:55] : Seat 2 : Rava351 has 5c Jc
[Aug 16 10:15:55] : Rava351 has Pair: 5s
[Aug 16 10:15:55] : Seat 6 : Tacklef has Kc Kh
[Aug 16 10:15:55] : Tacklef has Pair: Kings
[Aug 16 10:15:55] : Tacklef wins $36.10 with Pair: Kings
[Aug 16 10:16:03] : Hand is over.

Didn't have any notes on the villain but he wasn't flashing any warning signs of retarditis so I put him on average ability. My reasoning was there was $20 in the pot, so for $8 it's a good call if this is a bluff 1 out of 3 times. The other factor was the raise on the flop, if the player was anyway decent and had a flush or a flush draw he's just going to call here.

califano

i didnt even look at the outcome but i would fold in an instant. it shouldnt have come to the river in the first place imo. i would have recognised the flush draw and made it very expensive for him to catch another spade.

ok im going to look at the outcome after posting this but if hes a bluffer big deal let him have this one as it is hardly ever worth it with 4 suits on the board.

colin300

I would have folded straight away since the only thing you could get to beat him would be 2 more kings and that aint going to happen if he has the flush. Since you let it go as far as the river that means he can have any spade and win so its never worth the chance although there are some mad people on real money that just love raising the pots.

Definate fold!!!!

Rodge

You call that bet and show KK and you are advertising the fact that you will call $8 with a pair of Kings on a four flush board. But in that game I doubt it makes much difference.

I'd call, I smell a rat with his $4 and then $8 bets. If he had it I'd think he would be looking to get paid more.

Einstein

haven't read the spoiler, would prob fold.

Tackle

If he had the flush, he would've called the flop and let me bet again on the turn, he wouldn't have raised till the turn or the river.
He was more likely to have the flush draw mathematically and practically (the $2 flop raise isn't too bad a play here with a flush draw), but you have to ask yourself, why would he play it so strongly? He could've had a very cheap look at the turn and he could've had a free river. If there was ever a bluff friendly flop that was it, but he made it too obvious. The $8 bet on the river giving me the odds to call the bluff was the nail in the coffin of his bad play.

You call that bet and show KK and you are advertising the fact that you will call $8 with a pair of Kings on a four flush board. But in that game I doubt it makes much difference

Let them think I'm an idiot, could use the action.





This happened a few hands later, the same guy, suffering from a bad dose of tilt I suspect.

[Aug 16 10:18:59] : Hand Start.
[Aug 16 10:18:59] : Seat 1 : #1 Rake has $60.87
[Aug 16 10:18:59] : Seat 2 : Rava351 has $21.11
[Aug 16 10:18:59] : Seat 3 : jots has $93.12
[Aug 16 10:18:59] : Seat 4 : poppu73 has $39.50
[Aug 16 10:18:59] : Seat 5 : greenlanter has $79.09
[Aug 16 10:18:59] : Seat 6 : Tacklef has $175.73
[Aug 16 10:18:59] : jots is the dealer.
[Aug 16 10:18:59] : poppu73 posted small blind.
[Aug 16 10:19:00] : greenlanter posted big blind.
[Aug 16 10:19:00] : Game [17202] started with 6 players.
[Aug 16 10:19:00] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Aug 16 10:19:00] : Seat 6 : Tacklef has Kd Kc
[Aug 16 10:19:07] : Tacklef called $0.50 and raised $2
[Aug 16 10:19:08] : #1 Rake folded.
[Aug 16 10:19:10] : Rava351 called $2.50 and raised $18.61 and is All-in
[Aug 16 10:19:11] : jots folded.
[Aug 16 10:19:12] : poppu73 folded.
[Aug 16 10:19:13] : greenlanter folded.
[Aug 16 10:19:14] : Tacklef called $18.61
[Aug 16 10:19:15] : Showdown!
[Aug 16 10:19:15] : Seat 6 : Tacklef has Kd Kc
[Aug 16 10:19:16] : Seat 2 : Rava351 has Ad 9s
[Aug 16 10:19:16] : Seat 6 : Tacklef has Kd Kc
[Aug 16 10:19:55] : Board cards [6c 5d Ks 9d 6d]
[Aug 16 10:19:55] : Seat 2 : Rava351 has Ad 9s
[Aug 16 10:19:55] : Rava351 has Two Pair: 9s and 6s
[Aug 16 10:19:55] : Seat 6 : Tacklef has Kd Kc
[Aug 16 10:19:55] : Tacklef has Full House : Kings full of 6s
[Aug 16 10:19:55] : Tacklef wins $40.83 with Full House : Kings full of 6s
[Aug 16 10:20:02] : Tacklef : ty
[Aug 16 10:20:05] : Hand is over.

JuliusFranco

i would fold and then tell myself that i should read some other (non bad beat) posts from this forum and try and learn something about the game...maybe even buy a book like "The Theory of Poker" by David Skalansky...

just read the spoiler...if you had lost the hand would you have still posted it??

NickyOD

Bet more on that flop and it would be an easy decision. You should almost never lead the flop for the same amount you raised preflop. I wouldn't check that turn either.

Tackle

JuliusFranco wrote:

i would fold and then tell myself that i should read some other (non bad beat) posts from this forum and try and learn something about the game...maybe even buy a book like "The Theory of Poker" by David Skalansky...

just read the spoiler...if you had lost the hand would you have still posted it??

I posted it because I thought it was an interesting hand, it wouldn't have been so interesting if I had been beaten. I've no problem laying down kings to an underboard in a situation where I have a good feeling I know I'm beaten.

As for learning something about the game - I'm always looking to learn more, but I think calls like the one above mean I know a fair bit already. Cleaned out another guy who was very aggressive around the same time who had been bullying another table, raising preflop and betting/(semi)bluffing almost every hand.

I had 55.
He raised and bet $2 on a Qh8h6c flop, I called, planning to call him down here for up to $20 as I was getting pissed off and I figure there was a +70% chance I was ahead.

Turn brings 5h, a set for me and three of a suit on the board. He goes all in for $100 out of the blue and I call. Reason being, he did exactly the same thing about 5 hands earlier for another small pot when three of a suit came on the turn. Turns out he had 77, no hearts just a straight draw and a set draw. Doubled me up nicely.

If you don't trust your instincts and make calls like these you're missing out on some very handy cash.

Tackle

NickyOD wrote:

Bet more on that flop and it would be an easy decision. You should almost never lead the flop for the same amount you raised preflop. I wouldn't check that turn either.

Yeah, betting more on the flop would've got rid of him and definately made it an easier hand.

Hectorjelly

I thought on the flop you thought he had the flush draw? What changed your mind?

Any why say ty after the KK hand, is this not really rude?

Tackle

Hectorjelly wrote:

I thought on the flop you thought he had the flush draw? What changed your mind?

Any why say ty after the KK hand, is this not really rude?

I kind of ruled out the flush after the flop reraise, he could've been on the draw but I also thought it was a very obvious place to bluff after my weak $2 bet. I would've expected a bigger reraise to push me off the hand if he was semi-bluffing with a good flush draw. He still could've had it though.

Then the turn bet also didn't seem right, why didn't he take the free card when I called the flop? If I was in his shoes with the nut flush draw on the turn, I'd be very happy to take a free look at the next card, I wouldn't bet $4 into the pfr.

I had a good feeling I was looking at a bluff, enough to make me pay $8 to win $20.

The comment was just a stream of consciousness thing, didn't mean anything by it.

Rodge

Hectorjelly wrote:

Any why say ty after the KK hand, is this not really rude?

I thought that myself. Its not really a good way to draw attention to yourself and makes it quite likely that the whole table could turn against you.

If I was at that table I would have been really annoyed with it because it lessens the chances of Mr. Fishy reloading.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

Hectorjelly wrote:

I thought on the flop you thought he had the flush draw? What changed your mind?

Any why say ty after the KK hand, is this not really rude?

hmmm...

... (second story down) ... http://www.livejournal.com/users/hectorjelly/

colin300

i read that there who would say that about africians anyway. That could easily get your chat revoked.

Tackle

Roundtower2 wrote:

hmmm...

... (second story down) ... http://www.livejournal.com/users/hectorjelly/

Heheh, and he's giving me stick!

Hectorjelly

I was just kidding around, the "well you shouldnt waste money/food/porno mags because of the africans" argument is almost beyond ridicule, but that didnt stop me. Do people consider that offensive?

I consider ty very rude after winning a pot becuase its seems like your gloating. When you win a pot you should be gracious. I understand being a prick if you lost the hand, but after winning just seems crazy.

Lafortezza

In the first KK hand you should raise the flop and/or turn to find out if opponent has the flush made or not, or else to represent the made flush yourself.