Is the North West inherently CORRUPT ?...

Paddy20

Considering that we seem to stumble from one corruption scandal to another in Ireland.

Is the North West as corrupt as other counties, or do you consider us more corrupt, and why ?...

After all and with all due respect to Sligo, Ray McSharry our Ex- Minister for Justice is in prison for corruption, the Haughey's hail from Derry {I never stated our ex- Taoiseach is corrupt} I could go on with the list.

Personally, I believe we had to become corrupt in order too survive, as we individually and in family groups, have always been sadly neglected since the formation of the state ?...maybe this should be a POLL.

If the mod's feel a poll would be appropriate, please go ahead and stick one on too this thread .

muffler

"Is the North West inherently CORRUPT ?..."

Is the pope a catholic?

nanook

ok muffler, lets see you back up the evidence.

Yes the pope is catholic but where is your statement to back up corruption in the north west.

In relation to corruption, the one negative that was highlighted recently was the whole garda corruption scandal.

muffler

nanook wrote:

ok muffler, lets see you back up the evidence.
but where is your statement to back up corruption in the north west.
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I think it was Paddy20 who started this thread and I thought this forum was for opinions and not for giving evidence.

You want me to back up "the evidence". Silly statement this as no one posted evidence yet.

You want me to provide a statement to back up corruption in the North West. Well unless you are a judge and I am in the witness box under oath I dont think I will be posting anything like what you are looking for.

Open your eyes boy and live in the real world

Drag00n79

Paddy20 wrote:

After all and with all due respect to Sligo, Ray McSharry our Ex- Minister for Justice is in prison for corruption.

You are mixing up your politicians there big time, Paddy20. Ray McSharry is held in very high regard in Sligo and the general consensus would be that he did a lot for the area in the 70s and 80s. The man is a pillar of society and was never involved in any of these corruption trials let alone be in jail!

muffler

I think you're right Shamrok. Its a different Ray he is thinking about, "Burke"

Be nice now Paddy and apologise to the good people of Sligo!

Paddy20

Cripe's Shamrok ,

Are you for real, where have you been. If Ray McSharry is not in prison and is not our ex' Minister for Justice, then I apologise profusely to him. Now let him come on here and state the truth ?.. :rolleyes:

I will not be holding my breath !.

P.

seanogal

Ray Mc Sharry was never minister for justice.He was not implicated in any of the scandals and he certainly is not in jail.

nanook

didnt ray mcsharry have a haulage company that was ruined by fire ???

muffler

Ray MacSharry was first elected to the Dail in 1969 and here is a quick list of the ministerial positions he held.

Ray MacSharry
Minister for Finance and Public Service
(10.3.87 - 20.3.87)
Minister for Finance
(until 24.11.88)
Minister for Tourism and Transport
(20.3.87 to 31.3.87)

Ray MacSharry
Tánaiste and Minister for Finance
(9.3.82 - 14.12.82)

Ray MacSharry
MOS at Dept. of Public Service
(1.7.78 - 11.12.79)

Ray MacSharry
Minister for Agriculture
(12.12.79 - 30.6.81)

This information was got on the Governments website. From what you see he was never minister for justice. Now I dont know if he ever was in prison or not but if he was I never met him there

C'mon now Paddy. Be a man and do the honourable thing

Paddy20

Holy mose's it is beginning to look as though I may have named the wrong politician, perhaps it really is Ray Burke that is the jailbird ?... if so then I publicly retract my statement besmirching Ray McSharry's honourable reputation.

Although, I must do a little research, as I well remember him being him an MEP, and then giving it up.

If I am wrong, then you all and Mr McSharry will just have to put me down as a senile old git :eek: , I have noticed the old memory is not as good as it used too be.

Apologies as well to all the good people of Sligo.

P.

muffler

Paddy20 wrote:

just have to put me down as a senile old git :eek: , I have noticed the old memory is not as good as it used too be.
P.

Ah Jesus paddy i just feel the urge to pull the old hankie out of the pocket here. sob sob.

Mind you, there's FA wrong with the memory when it comes to the Doctors liquid processing facility

jimmeh

The morairty tribunal is the tip of the iceberg asfar as curroption is concerned, The frank short case has to come out from innishowen, aswell as false protection duty around letterkenny.

The sad thing is that the garda had the right men in relation to raphoe they just messed up big style.

muffler

jimmeh wrote:

The sad thing is that the garda had the right men in relation to raphoe they just messed up big style.

Dont think so mate

Civilian_Target

To be honest lads - as long as the people of Donegal keep blindly re-electing Fianna Fail, the northwest's never going to get any serious attention from the central government.

There's no need for the corruption in the northwest, but the fact is that it probably is more corrupt than the rest of Ireland. Not seriously corrupt though....

nanook

ok we talk about corruption in the north west.

how many of you know someone who has been caught speeding and got the local sergent to have a quiet word, how many of you know someone who was stopped for drunk driving and was well over the limit and most of all GOT AWAY WITH IT.
How many ppl had a problem with a planning application and had a quiet word with the local politician.

Corruption is rife everywhere, its the small things that snowball and give everything a bad name.

But just for example, and you should all answer this truthfully.

If you were stopped by the local guards and had one scoop too many, or where over the speed limit, and you knew that a word in a local guards ear would help sort out the problem, would you do it ????????????

be truthful

Besprechen

i thought coppers werent allowed to be posted in their local home county area to prevent exactly that sort of thing happenign in the first place?

muffler

nanook wrote:

How many ppl had a problem with a planning application and had a quiet word with the local politician.
If you were stopped by the local guards and had one scoop too many, or where over the speed limit, and you knew that a word in a local guards ear would help sort out the problem, would you do it ????????????

be truthful

A word with a Guard- of course i would and so would most people. But we are not comitting a crime by doing this. It is the guard who is in the wrong if he accedes to any request. Personally I wouldn't see a pile wrong if you were 5mph over the speed limit or double parked and the local cop got you off.
But what about the drunk drivers and the uninsured drivers. In this instance if a "favour" was done and could be proved i think both parties should face severe penalties.

As for the planners and politicians, well if there wasn't some form of agreement between them you would have very little houses around the place particularly the rural areas.

I think there would be hundreds if not thousands of people who would have obtained permission in this way and Im sure they are very grateful for this "service"

goodgod3rd

i for one belive the north west is no more corrupt that the rest of ireland, sure the gards in letterkenny area may of organised a set up.

but no more than th erest of our crrrup lil island,

tsk tsk.

and if we are... its becasue we are secluded from the rest of ye!

we are thought.. while ye in the south complain about trains being too slow... or too long ;> we have no trains here! i wanna train!!!!

Paddy20

Is that a train of thought ?.. you are on about ?..

P.

goodgod3rd

Paddy20 wrote:

Is that a train of thought ?.. you are on about ?..

P.

damm right.. but i was talking bout how crouppt the rest of the isle is corrupt... with the very ungenerous divides.
its true... if i wanna get a train.. i need ot drive/bus for two hours... bout 80 miles....

sucks. bus is grand though...

but still the train would be best....
but alas that is only a modern example..... its clear *its tru i heard it on today fm news ...* we in donegal were neglected... so now .. we are poor!

im not.. but other are...

Dun na nGal

think we should be aiming bigger than trains.we pay the same taxes and insurance as the rest of the country but get a very thin slice of the pie . we're even paid less wages ! we've no proper roads , lesser power supply , hardly any public transport ( lough swilly buses ?!?) , etc. etc. etc.....
i say we should go for devolution and make our own wee tax-free state . we'd make a fortune wi the tourists we'd get .€€€€€€€€€€ :

Paddy20

Yeah, Make Donegal the gambling state of the wild west Great big Las Vegas style Casino's would attract plenty of big spending gamblers/tourists, who are not looking for sunshine or dry weather ?.. Think of the job's it would create.

Just look at the success of online casino's. No joking, I am serious, and why the hell has the Government not approved Casino's for Donegal in the past ?...it's a bloody mystery too me .

P.

goodgod3rd

Dun na nGal wrote:

think we should be aiming bigger than trains.we pay the same taxes and insurance as the rest of the country but get a very thin slice of the pie . we're even paid less wages ! we've no proper roads , lesser power supply , hardly any public transport ( lough swilly buses ?!?) , etc. etc. etc.....
i say we should go for devolution and make our own wee tax-free state . we'd make a fortune wi the tourists we'd get .€€€€€€€€€€ :

€€€ dAMM right. we should.. we are one tiny protion of ireland. we weren't wanted by england in the 20's.... we are neglected now!!! we should...

we need to move bundoran to the north of the country.... make the tourists see the rest of our lovely county... and we'll sucker em on the way....
all we need... is a few shovles to dig it up.... a big lorry to transport it!!! and planning permission to plant it....
the latter should not be a problem.. because i know the planners of donegal are crouppt. *they allowed a moblie phone box beside my fuking house! followed by an illegal shed!*

muffler

goodgod3rd wrote:

. *they allowed a moblie phone box beside my fuking house! followed by an illegal shed!*

A small cardboard box that a mobile phone comes in wouldn't need planning permission would it?

Paddy20

Anyone here go to the McBrearty family organised Public meeting on 'State Corruption' held yesterday September 3rd in Raphoe?...

Apparently it was so crowded the doors had too be closed, twenty minutes after it started due to overcrowding!.

Has it had much media coverage, seems it was a roaring success and one individual from each county is being selected to join a new 'State Corruption in Ireland' Committee .

Anyone on here attend ?....

P.

Civilian_Target

I don't know what you guys are blabbering on about when you say you should be aiming higher than trains?!

You can't expect the government to just hand you stuff, there's only 140,000 people in Donegal, that represents 3% of the national population, and even less of the state income! If you combine the total money input into Donegal I can guarantee you it's more than 3% of the total pot, between the Gaeltacht funds, tax relief for various parts of the country, IDA grants, the hospital and government depts in Letterkenny, and they're just for starters. A huge amount of government money goes into the everyday running of the county, and the sad thing is it goes mostly un-noticed by the population.

Infastructural investment in Donegal may not be massive, but there's good reasons for that. The population is small, and the county council is inefficient and (probably) corrupt. The east coast faces far greater infastructural challenges than donegal (how many people here spend an hour and a half getting to work every morning?) and don't have the EU funding to overcome them any more either. Why should we be entitled to a slice of the pie we haven't earned?

The fact is, the government doesn't owe Donegal anything, and if they did, why would they give it anyway? Sure, we're only going to vote in Fianna Fail next time, and then spend another 5 years bitching and moaning before doing exactly the same thing again...

goodgod3rd

no.. your right:> but still the principle was bad.. radiation.

3%? sure. i live in the galtach. but alas .. still no useful funds. sure we get a community center........thats usless. and we get a drama club that is ****. and we get to teach yanks irish.... big deal. what about the portion of odnegal outside te galtach. bout 5 mins away from my house.