I'm also not particularly fond of Tens.....

NickyOD

....especially with a big raise in front of me.

$11+R sat to Event #4. I'm $51 invested. 28 of 89 starters left and I'm in 23rd. 12 get T$215 and 13th gets $22.

No info on the preflop raiser here. It's at the beginning the 200/400 level.

PokerStars Game #2301459341: Tournament #10968396, Hold'em Pot Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/08/09 - 19:18:17 (ET)
Table '10968396 5' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: GauchoGrindr (9140 in chips)
Seat 2: JRSwoop (7225 in chips)
Seat 4: NickyOD (7050 in chips)
Seat 5: fazool (39220 in chips)
Seat 6: nooly77 (11258 in chips)
Seat 7: mooner921 (18400 in chips)
Seat 9: sam marano (21275 in chips)
NickyOD: posts small blind 200
fazool: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NickyOD
nooly77: calls 400
mooner921: calls 400
sam marano: folds
GauchoGrindr: folds
JRSwoop: raises 1800 to 2200
NickyOD: ????

Hectorjelly

Well the decision is easy, you can either fold, call or raise all in.

mewso

We need a Nicky sub-forum. O.k. o.k. I fold because I hate 10s but mainly because your stack is healthy for the current level and... I really hate 10s.

ocallagh

re-raise all in.. and start searching for another MTT

NickyOD

Hectorjelly wrote:

Well the decision is easy, you can either fold, call or raise all in.

lol. It's posts like that, that make it easy to why you're a pro HJ.

JuliusFranco

well i'd fold

without any more info on the player i'd kinda have to

ok, he's got the button and we all know how some people like to steal from the button

but that said he did fire out a good pot size raise...this might indicate he knows what he's doing and that stealing from the button is harder with 2 callers before him.
so i'd think he got something decent

prob a poket pair >=88 or AJ or better..
2 hands you want to see, the rest means that you could blow your healthy stack on a 50/50 at best

Amaru

In line with the above reply, why race? While i'm sure you'd like to get a bigger stack to set you up for later on, there's really no need to race. You have more than enough BB's to make some moves, and you're only up against a few scenarios here:

Smaller PP - dominated, but a set will put you out
Bigger PP - you're dominated, and drawing to a set or you're out
High Cards - you race

None of these scenarios are immensely favourable seen as you're the small stack at the table.

Also, i don't think its a blind steal. He's not that much better off than you, so why wouldn't he just push to discourage a call? It looks more like he's going for value.

shaydy

With no info on the raiser, its a tough call. My initial reaction would put him on AK suited or a smaller pocker pair, could be jacks, and he wants to either take it down there and then or go in heads up. Did he steal anything earlier with a similar raise?

I'm not calling here so its either Allin to try and push the other two off the call and look for a race with the raiser, but do you really want that at this point in the tournament with your stack, so i'd probably fold here with the big blind still to act and two early position callers to follow.

S

NickyOD

I folded. I always try my best to avoid these "race-at-best" situations. He could just as easily have had an overpair. UTG raised and they both got it in preflop with AK and my Tens would have trebled up but I still like my fold. At one point in this satelite I had T335 at the 100/200 level and quadrupled up with 93o to get back in the game. Ended up completely crushing the thing as a clear chip leader. Of course if I was chip leader early I certainly would have bubbled.

Hectorjelly

Amaru wrote:

Smaller PP - dominated, but a set will put you out
Bigger PP - you're dominated, and drawing to a set or you're out
High Cards - you race

LOL, is this a joke?

Hectorjelly

NickyOD wrote:

I folded. I always try my best to avoid these "race-at-best" situations. He could just as easily have had an overpair. UTG raised and they both got it in preflop with AK and my Tens would have trebled up but I still like my fold. At one point in this satelite I had T335 at the 100/200 level and quadrupled up with 93o to get back in the game. Ended up completely crushing the thing as a clear chip leader. Of course if I was chip leader early I certainly would have bubbled.

I dont like your fold that much. If it was a paticularly tight utg raiser then yes, but you are getting to the stage where you will need to make a move soon and TT is probably too strong to pass. If you push then there is a good chance he will fold AJ AQ. This is the stage of the tournement where you need to make some moves and increase your chip stack, I would often move all in here with any pair.

NickyOD

Hectorjelly wrote:

I would often move all in here with any pair.

With 2 limpers already in there I read his raise to mean JJ-AA/AK and maybe AQ. Against that range its a good fold the same way you should fold tens to a reraise.

Hectorjelly

NickyOD wrote:

With 2 limpers already in there I read his raise to mean JJ-AA/AK and maybe AQ. Against that range its a good fold the same way you should fold tens to a reraise.

If its that tight a range than yeah, but its not normally. Also with all that dead money out there getting all in vs AK is great.

I wouldnt always fold TT to a reraise either. If you are getting 2:1 or close you should call a reraise with any pair.

careca

Hectorjelly wrote:

If you are getting 2:1 or close you should call a reraise with any pair.

Could you explain this a bit more hector ?? I find it hard to imagine its the right call with say 22 or 33, just because you're getting 2/1. I can imagine how it might be right with TT but all pairs ??

Amaru

Hectorjelly wrote:

LOL, is this a joke?

No, why, what was wrong with what i said?

And i don't get your logic here. Why race if its not completely necessary? He has more than 15BB's, so why does he need to race?

Hectorjelly

Amaru wrote:

No, why, what was wrong with what i said?

This is what you said:

Amaru wrote:

Smaller PP - dominated, but a set will put you out

Getting all in with a smaller PP is great, its ridiculous to mention that a set will put you out.

Amaru wrote:

And i don't get your logic here. Why race if its not completely necessary? He has more than 15BB's, so why does he need to race?

If you move in your hoping not to get called, or to be called by a hand which you dominate. Neither of which involve racing. And if you do get involved in a race, you have the best hand and plenty of dead money. If you knew he had AK and that he would call you should still move in. Winning mtts doesnt involve folding a waiting until you have AA or KK, it means taking advantage of as many situations as you can to pick up chips.

Hectorjelly

careca wrote:

Could you explain this a bit more hector ?? I find it hard to imagine its the right call with say 22 or 33, just because you're getting 2/1. I can imagine how it might be right with TT but all pairs ??

Because 22 has sufficent equity against almost any hand range as long as it includes AK.

If its a very tight opponent who has AA KK QQ or AK, then you have a 34% equity.

If its a normal opponnet who has AA - TT AQ - AJ, then you have a 38% equity.

If its a very loose opponent who has any pair or any broadway, you have a 40% equity.

This only applys if the reraise is all in, and its not near the bubble.

JuliusFranco

thanks HJ
interesting posts - given me something to think about!

NickyOD

Also the fact that this is a satelite with a flat payout structure makes folding an easier decision. If this was a normal tournament I'd be more inclined to race.

Amaru

Getting all in with a smaller PP is great, its ridiculous to mention that a set will put you out.

When i was writing my original post, i'd gone back and changed some of it, so the rest didn't hold together properly.

Yes, its an ideal situation that the guy had a smaller pocket pair, probably the most ideal situation he could hope for. Its not completely out of the question though for somebody to hit a set, so thats why i thought it at least warranted a mention. Also, the probability of somebody with a stack like that, raising that little pre flop with an underpair, i find highly unlikely.

Winning mtts doesnt involve folding a waiting until you have AA or KK, it means taking advantage of as many situations as you can to pick up chips.

I wasn't suggesting they were. I was suggesting that they're more about out-playing people at your table in favourable situations, something nicky had the luxury of waiting to do.

NickyOD

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