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Showing too much strength?

  • 04-08-2005 10:45am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 275 ✭✭


    Did I play these two hands t0o strongly on the turn, could/should I have made more. What could I have done to maximze profits:

    1.
    [Aug 4 09:49:35] : Hand Start.
    [Aug 4 09:49:35] : Seat 1 : stewball has $97.07
    [Aug 4 09:49:35] : Seat 2 : lucifil has $21.83
    [Aug 4 09:49:35] : Seat 4 : Nephew has $166.63
    [Aug 4 09:49:35] : Seat 5 : AC Horsens has $94.80
    [Aug 4 09:49:35] : Seat 6 : Tacklef has $101.30
    [Aug 4 09:49:35] : Tacklef is the dealer.
    [Aug 4 09:49:35] : stewball posted small blind.
    [Aug 4 09:49:36] : lucifil posted big blind.
    [Aug 4 09:49:36] : Game [51096] started with 5 players.
    [Aug 4 09:49:36] : Dealing Hole Cards.
    [Aug 4 09:49:36] : Seat 6 : Tacklef has 5h 6h
    [Aug 4 09:49:40] : Nephew called $0.50 and raised $0.50
    [Aug 4 09:49:44] : AC Horsens called $1
    [Aug 4 09:49:44] : Tacklef called $1
    [Aug 4 09:49:47] : stewball folded.
    [Aug 4 09:49:49] : lucifil folded.
    [Aug 4 09:49:49] : Dealing flop.
    [Aug 4 09:49:49] : Board cards [4h 7d 9c]
    [Aug 4 09:49:52] : Nephew bet $2
    [Aug 4 09:49:55] : AC Horsens called $2
    [Aug 4 09:49:57] : Tacklef called $2
    [Aug 4 09:49:58] : Dealing turn.
    [Aug 4 09:49:58] : Board cards [4h 7d 9c 3h]
    [Aug 4 09:50:00] : Nephew bet $1
    [Aug 4 09:50:03] : AC Horsens called $1
    [Aug 4 09:50:14] : Tacklef called $1 and raised $5
    [Aug 4 09:50:15] : Nephew folded.
    [Aug 4 09:50:18] : AC Horsens folded.
    [Aug 4 09:50:19] : Tacklef wins $12.12 as the last player standing
    [Aug 4 09:50:22] : Hand is over.

    2.
    [Aug 4 10:23:00] : Hand Start.
    [Aug 4 10:23:00] : Seat 1 : mreed has $15.94
    [Aug 4 10:23:00] : Seat 2 : 5cards has $4.50
    [Aug 4 10:23:00] : Seat 3 : mishmash has $29.52
    [Aug 4 10:23:00] : Seat 4 : skey has $24.62
    [Aug 4 10:23:00] : Seat 5 : thod1 has $29.98
    [Aug 4 10:23:00] : Seat 6 : Tacklef has $110.24
    [Aug 4 10:23:00] : mreed is the dealer.
    [Aug 4 10:23:01] : 5cards posted small blind.
    [Aug 4 10:23:01] : mishmash posted big blind.
    [Aug 4 10:23:01] : Game [51140] started with 6 players.
    [Aug 4 10:23:01] : Dealing Hole Cards.
    [Aug 4 10:23:01] : Seat 6 : Tacklef has Qd Kd
    [Aug 4 10:23:07] : skey called $0.50
    [Aug 4 10:23:07] : thod1 folded.
    [Aug 4 10:23:07] : Tacklef called $0.50
    [Aug 4 10:23:08] : mreed called $0.50
    [Aug 4 10:23:08] : 5cards called $0.25
    [Aug 4 10:23:10] : mishmash checked.
    [Aug 4 10:23:11] : Dealing flop.
    [Aug 4 10:23:11] : Board cards [Qs Kc 5d]
    [Aug 4 10:23:17] : 5cards checked.
    [Aug 4 10:23:19] : mishmash checked.
    [Aug 4 10:23:25] : skey bet $1
    [Aug 4 10:23:30] : Tacklef called $1 and raised $2
    [Aug 4 10:23:32] : mreed called $3
    [Aug 4 10:23:33] : 5cards folded.
    [Aug 4 10:23:34] : mishmash folded.
    [Aug 4 10:23:37] : skey called $2
    [Aug 4 10:23:38] : Dealing turn.
    [Aug 4 10:23:38] : Board cards [Qs Kc 5d 3h]
    [Aug 4 10:23:48] : skey checked.
    [Aug 4 10:23:55] : Tacklef bet $6
    [Aug 4 10:23:58] : mreed folded.
    [Aug 4 10:24:13] : skey has 10 seconds to respond.
    [Aug 4 10:24:15] : skey folded.
    [Aug 4 10:24:17] : Tacklef wins $10.93 as the last player standing
    [Aug 4 10:24:19] : Hand is over.




    What do you think of the fold here, both villains are poor players:

    3.
    [Aug 4 09:09:46] : Hand Start.
    [Aug 4 09:09:46] : Seat 1 : Tacklef has $98.25
    [Aug 4 09:09:46] : Seat 2 : jbones333 has $113.30
    [Aug 4 09:09:46] : Seat 3 : geterrdone has $45.60
    [Aug 4 09:09:46] : Seat 4 : HanSolomente has $7.41
    [Aug 4 09:09:46] : Seat 5 : bank mike has $4
    [Aug 4 09:09:46] : Seat 6 : steve_18_uk has $8.19
    [Aug 4 09:09:46] : HanSolomente is the dealer.
    [Aug 4 09:09:46] : bank mike posted small blind.
    [Aug 4 09:09:48] : steve_18_uk posted big blind.
    [Aug 4 09:09:48] : Game [64380] started with 6 players.
    [Aug 4 09:09:48] : Dealing Hole Cards.
    [Aug 4 09:09:48] : Seat 1 : Tacklef has Kd Kc
    [Aug 4 09:09:54] : Tacklef called $0.50 and raised $2
    [Aug 4 09:09:57] : jbones333 called $2.50
    [Aug 4 09:09:59] : geterrdone called $2.50
    [Aug 4 09:09:59] : HanSolomente folded.
    [Aug 4 09:10:01] : bank mike called $2.25 and raised $1.50 and is All-in
    [Aug 4 09:10:01] : Under-Raise rules are now in effect.
    [Aug 4 09:10:16] : steve_18_uk has 10 seconds to respond.
    [Aug 4 09:10:30] : steve_18_uk folded.
    [Aug 4 09:10:34] : Tacklef called $1.50
    [Aug 4 09:10:35] : jbones333 called $1.50
    [Aug 4 09:10:37] : geterrdone called $1.50
    [Aug 4 09:10:38] : Dealing flop.
    [Aug 4 09:10:38] : Board cards [8s 7h Ah]
    [Aug 4 09:10:45] : Tacklef checked.
    [Aug 4 09:10:46] : jbones333 checked.
    [Aug 4 09:10:51] : geterrdone bet $3
    [Aug 4 09:10:55] : Tacklef folded.
    [Aug 4 09:10:55] : jbones333 folded.
    [Aug 4 09:10:56] : Showdown!
    [Aug 4 09:10:58] : Seat 3 : geterrdone has Kh 8h
    [Aug 4 09:10:58] : Seat 5 : bank mike has 4s 4h
    [Aug 4 09:11:04] : Board cards [8s 7h Ah Jc 9d]
    [Aug 4 09:11:04] : Seat 5 : bank mike has 4s 4h
    [Aug 4 09:11:04] : bank mike has Pair: 4s
    [Aug 4 09:11:04] : Seat 3 : geterrdone has Kh 8h
    [Aug 4 09:11:04] : geterrdone has Pair: 8s
    [Aug 4 09:11:04] : geterrdone wins $15.68 with Pair: 8s
    [Aug 4 09:11:14] : Hand is over.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭Imposter


    I think you played the first one ok.

    I'd have raised preflop with the 2nd one. Also your turn bet was probably too much given a rainbow board. 4$ might have been better here.

    It's hard to know with the 3rd hand. You definitely can't put geterrdone on K8h but I suppose the fold was right seeing as someone was all-in too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭padraig_f


    1. You played this fine, there's $12 in the pot, you can't let them see a river for $1 with a possible flush draw out there.

    2. 6-handed, I'd probably raise pre-flop with KQs, but after the flop again it's ok. If he doesn't pay off a $6 bet into a $10 pot, he's not going to pay you off much at all. Trying to let people catch up when you're holding 2-pair is very risky.

    3. I like the check, but for such a small bet, $3 into a $15 pot, I'd call here. If he continues betting on the turn and it looks like it will be expensive to see a showdown I'll let it go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭impr0v


    I think you played the first two fine, the raise on the first hand was a tad too big but judging by the fact that the initial raiser had halved the amount he raised by on the flop when raising the turn I'd imagine he was frightened by the potential for straights on the board and was unlikely to call much.

    In the third hand however I think you laid them down too easy (though this is easy to say when privy to the cards the raiser actually had) and in that situation I would have re-raised him with perhaps twice the amount of his raise in an attempt to ensure he had the ace.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭JuliusFranco


    hands 1 and 2 are fine

    for hand 3 i don't agree with check calling or check raising. i think i check folding or betting the flop was probably the way to go. as you raised pre flop they are going wary that you have an ace so a bet here might get you heads up with the all player

    if you do get called it will be probably by someone who has an ace (or a flush draw).

    either way you'll gain the same info by betting first
    check / raising will cost you twice as much while check/calling doesn't really tell you anything

    check folding isn't the worst - considering theres an all in player and 2 players after you and the fact there was pre flop action, i would have thought there's an ace out there

    my 2 cents anyho ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 275 ✭✭Tackle


    No problems with the first two then. Cool, was a bit concerned that I wasn't making as much as I should from these sort of hands.

    3. I think generally in this situation I should've bet the flop and represented the A and be ready to check it down/fold if I'm called. Don't think I'd go with the checkraise, I like to keep a lid on the pot until I know where I stand.
    I suppose the $3 bet from the villain could've told me I was ahead, especially as that would be an odd bet for a LAG who has paired his Ax.


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