€10k hot hatch?

Cyrus

Thinking of changing my alfa in a few months for something smaller and quicker, and have been looking at various hot hatches, generally requirements are:

reasonably quick, reaonably reliable, regd in 2000 at the latest if possible and insurable

I have been looking at the following:

1) Golf 1.8t gti - pros decent image, quick, resale value

cons - hard to get a good un for 10k, thirsty, expensive to insure

2) Honda civic 1.6 vtec - pros reliable, quick, resale value

cons - chav image, hard to find a nice non chavd example, hard to get a 00, interior

3) Pug 206 gti - pros quick, insurable, plenty out there, imo handsome

cons - bit girly? residuals?

What else would you recommend? Seat leon tdi? hard to find any decent leons about s/h (nice alloys etc) Focus (do they do a quick one, havent seen any st170s??)

Anything else?

if you can find any anywhere that meet the criteria link would be ace

AlienGav

Pug 306 GTI-6

Way better than that 206 girly wagon, and much more fun!

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im selling my golf gt tdi

99 golf gt tdi 100000 FSH
115bhp
17" alloys
sports seats
fully colour coded
full sound system
full nokia blue tooth car kit
really clean car well looked after

ando

Focus ST... 10k ?? Where you living bud Your looking at 26K min

Cyrus

st 170 that much how come? are they just not that old?

cant find any 306 gti6 fs anywhere

sarge piccies and price?

FX Meister

Hi Sarge, how much are you selling it for? Was it originally a northern reg?

Atomic Pineapple

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=221183
nice 306 d turbo not as fast as a gti but cant find any gti's

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=263579
Nice saloon civic little over your budget but the saloon doesnt have the same muppet (chav) image

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=269317
Nice Civic Type R, would you be able to get insured in this?

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=273846
What about a Hyundai Coupe? I know there a bit girly but an option?

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=272737
golf gti only a touch over budget

was bored sojust looked up a few of these cars for ya probably no help at al but hey

bazz26

Cyrus wrote:

Thinking of changing my alfa in a few months for something smaller and quicker, and have been looking at various hot hatches, generally requirements are:

reasonably quick, reaonably reliable, regd in 2000 at the latest if possible and insurable

I have been looking at the following:

1) Golf 1.8t gti - pros decent image, quick, resale value

cons - hard to get a good un for 10k, thirsty, expensive to insure

2) Honda civic 1.6 vtec - pros reliable, quick, resale value

cons - chav image, hard to find a nice non chavd example, hard to get a 00, interior

3) Pug 206 gti - pros quick, insurable, plenty out there, imo handsome

cons - bit girly? residuals?

What else would you recommend? Seat leon tdi? hard to find any decent leons about s/h (nice alloys etc) Focus (do they do a quick one, havent seen any st170s??)

Anything else?

if you can find any anywhere that meet the criteria link would be ace

Luke warm Celica:
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=258950

Incidently the ST170 is only available since 2002. Here is a nice example though:
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=250555

Again this out of your price range but it's alot of car for the money.
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=258750

Or something like this;
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=267251
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=270490

ciarsd

@ Cyrus, out of all of them, i'd have none. The civic for obvious reasons, and both the 206 and MKiv Golf GTi because them particular models did not deserve the GTi badge.

my money would be on the likes of the 306 GTi-6 as mentioned. I remember seeing one advertised on the net only last week located in waterford...I'll see if I can find the site again for ye.

p.s. depending on insurance (which is probably comparible to your list), how about an A3 1.8T? smashing car.

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im looking for around 11,000 for mine for anyone interested see im looking to buy 1 audi a4 quttro kit etc

Cyrus

a3 1.8t = golf 1.8t??? what makes the audi better?

@ sarge 11k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Cyrus wrote:

a3 1.8t = golf 1.8t???

@ sarge 11k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what ?

I got me a 1.4 00' Focus. I am soooo regretting not getting a 1.6 or higher.
Don't get me wrong Its a great car to drive, but it lacks the oomh in the 60 - 100 km/hr range.

Cyrus

11k is very steep for a 99 tdi with 90k imo, just my opinion tho

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Cyrus wrote:

11k is very steep for a 99 tdi with 90k imo, just my opinion tho

99 golf gt tdi 100000 FSH
115bhp
17" alloys
sports seats
fully colour coded
full sound system
full nokia blue tooth car kit
really clean car well looked afte

Cyrus

fair enough man hope u get it for it

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Cyrus wrote:

fair enough man hope u get it for it

well to be honest im in no hurry to sell it atm , have to save up enough money for teh new one , but there defo getting that sort of money in the autotrader etc

ill throw it up here pics and all when im officially selling the car

unkel

Would you share with us why you'd even consider trading in your 145 bhp Alfa 156 for a Golf, Civic, Peugeot 206 or what not

From your other posts it appears your Alfa is not a lemon, so why the hell get rid of a real car to get something like that?

Cyrus

well im looking for something faster , always liked hot hatches so am looking into them atm, i just bore easily and id like to try somethin new

also considering a 318is, i reckon the 1.7 golf remapped to 180 bhp would burn the alfa up :eek:

peterk19

Cyrus whats the deatils on your 145 and what money will you be selling her for might be interested kinda car shopping at the moment
Pete

Eoin

peterk19 wrote:

Cyrus whats the deatils on your 145 and what money will you be selling her for might be interested kinda car shopping at the moment
Pete

It's a 156 he has, and a mint one too from what I have seen from the pictures.

peterk19

oh yea stupid me didnt realise just seen the number
Pete

ciarsd

Cyrus wrote:

a3 1.8t = golf 1.8t??? what makes the audi better?

@ sarge 11k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it aint dressed as summin it aint! and is certainly not as expensive to buy and insure

ciarsd

Sarge wrote:

99 golf gt tdi 100000 FSH
115bhp

since when did the GT TDi (i presume your talking red TDi, when youve stated GT) push out 115BHP? The PD engines in GT TDi spec had 130BHP and later 150BHP with a 6 speed box

Cyrus

ciarsd wrote:

it aint dressed as summin it aint! and is certainly not as expensive to buy and insure

i doubt there is anything in the price a 99 1.6 a3 costs around 10k

ds20prefecture

Cyrus wrote:

well im looking for something faster , always liked hot hatches so am looking into them atm, i just bore easily and id like to try somethin new

also considering a 318is, i reckon the 1.7 golf remapped to 180 bhp would burn the alfa up :eek:

The 318is will feel about as quick as the 156.

Škoda Octavia vRS? 180bhp stock, remap to 225. Better yet, Škoda Octavia 4x4, lowered and remapped to 180 - an Audi TT that you can bring the St. Bernard in.

How about a nice Fiat Coupé in Turbo form?

Cyrus

never get one for 10k tho

fiat coupe is very nice initial indications tho is that insurance could be an issue,

SouperComputer

friend used to have a GT TDi, nice car. Reasonable poke and of course bags of torque!

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sorry it is 130bhp sorry my mistake

kluivert

There's no honest here

Peugot 306 GTi-6

Find very good clean ones in England they are worth importing from england.

FX Meister

I thought the GT Tdi wasn't available here? I've seen a good few from Northern Ireland but only one Irish reg one which I presumed was just bought up the north.

bazz26

I thought the same, did VW sell the GTi here with the TDi engine?

The most powerfull diesel Golf I have seen here is the 150bhp 6 Speed TDI Highline model. Never actually seen a GT TDI listed on VW's website either.

As for the Fiat Coupe I heard they are very expensive to service and require a specialist rather than a back street mechanic.

SouperComputer

hmm not sure where my Friend got his GT TDi. He spent a couple of years in the UK and may have brought it over. Had irish plates on it anyway.

HashSlinging

The 130bhp Tdi which replaced the 115bhp wasnt introducted until 2001. The TDi diesel range was reappraised at the end of 2001 to consist of 100, 130 and barnstorming 150bhp Pump Duse variant. Ahem the latter apearing in the Seat leon cupra TDi.

If you've got the cash to hand you'd never know what a trip to the UK might throw up for 5k.

HashSlinging

2001 SEAT LEON 1.8 20V T Cupra 5dr Hatchback,
Petrol, 92,000 miles, . Manual, 6 speed petrol, 180bhp, 1 owner FSH, Climate control, alloys, electric mirrors, drivers armrest, Side pass & drivers airbags, Traction control,Met Black, MOT Apr 06, Excellent condition. £4,750. ono.


what 5 minutes searching on google threw up.

bazz26

HashSlinging wrote:

2001 SEAT LEON 1.8 20V T Cupra 5dr Hatchback,
Petrol, 92,000 miles, . Manual, 6 speed petrol, 180bhp, 1 owner FSH, Climate control, alloys, electric mirrors, drivers armrest, Side pass & drivers airbags, Traction control,Met Black, MOT Apr 06, Excellent condition. £4,750. ono.


what 5 minutes searching on google threw up.

From http://www.ros.ie

Make:Seat Leon 1.8 T Cupra 5dr
Mileage: 92000
Date of First Registration: 2001
Open Market Selling Price: €10,838
Rate of VRT: 25%
VRT: €2,709

Cost of car excl. VRT: €6,830 (GB£4,750)
Total Cost of car: €9,539

HashSlinging

great team work.

Eoin

bazz26 wrote:

From http://www.ros.ie

Make:Seat Leon 1.8 T Cupra 5dr
Mileage: 92000
Date of First Registration: 2001
Open Market Selling Price: €10,838
Rate of VRT: 25%
VRT: €2,709

Cost of car excl. VRT: €6,830 (GB£4,750)
Total Cost of car: €9,539

How accurate is the ROS site generally - does it tend to put a higher or lower price on the open market selling price? It wasn't too far off for my car...

unkel

HashSlinging wrote:

great team work.

Indeed, nice one lads

bazz26 wrote:

Total Cost of car: €9,539

Pretty good deal. If I weren't getting the impression that Cyrus (for a reason not understood by me) wanted rid of the Alfa, I'd say hang on to your car and chip it if you'd like a bit more oomph

But I did get the impression, so go for the Seat

bazz26

eoin_s wrote:

How accurate is the ROS site generally - does it tend to put a higher or lower price on the open market selling price? It wasn't too far off for my car...

Don't know really but considering that the higher value they put on the car means they make more from you in VRT. At least it is a good ball park figure anyway.

Cyrus

thats a great deal on that leon cheers lads thats deffo worth looking into

im not desperately trying to get shot of it unkel but i never intended on keeping it longer than a year thats all

cheers for the help fellas