QQ out of position

Hectorjelly

I usually dont reraise with QQ preflop, but in this hand Im out of position to the only player at the table who seems to have a fully working brain and Id like to have an idea of what type of hand he has. Hes quite good allthough we havent tangled much. I know that he is capable of slowplaying big pairs and Ive seen him both lead out with sets and flat call with them. What should I do on the flop?

Real Money Ring Game
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
Bluegrass 3451827-53079 Holdem No Limit $0.50/$1
[Aug 3 01:28:52] : Hand Start.
[Aug 3 01:28:52] : Seat 1 : hectorjelly has $98
[Aug 3 01:28:52] : Seat 2 : letitride69 has $20.25
[Aug 3 01:28:52] : Seat 3 : chaotic has $156.74
[Aug 3 01:28:52] : Seat 6 : Nello96 has $30.25
[Aug 3 01:28:52] : chaotic is the dealer.
[Aug 3 01:28:52] : Nello96 posted small blind.
[Aug 3 01:28:52] : hectorjelly posted big blind.
[Aug 3 01:28:52] : Game [53079] started with 4 players.
[Aug 3 01:28:52] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Aug 3 01:28:52] : Seat 1 : hectorjelly has Qs Qc
[Aug 3 01:28:55] : letitride69 called $1
[Aug 3 01:28:58] : chaotic called $1 and raised $4
[Aug 3 01:29:00] : Nello96 folded.
[Aug 3 01:29:08] : hectorjelly called $4 and raised $12
[Aug 3 01:29:12] : letitride69 folded.
[Aug 3 01:29:15] : chaotic called $12
[Aug 3 01:29:15] : Dealing flop.
[Aug 3 01:29:15] : Board cards [7h 6d Tc]
[Aug 3 01:29:19] : hectorjelly bet $25
[Aug 3 01:29:22] : chaotic called $25 and raised $25
[Aug 3 01:29:37] : It's your turn.
[Aug 3 01:29:37] : hectorjelly has 10 seconds to respond.

Marq

from your description of the player i don't put him on a set. He'd be more likely to call the flop and raise the turn in my opinion. why let you get away from it now? More likely in my opinion to have an over pair or maybe ace-ten.

I think if you're calling, you're pushing on the turn, despite having relatively little money left to push with. I think his range of hands could include eights, nines, jacks and ace-ten.

Without a strong read, I think you have to continue with the queens here.

Hectorjelly

Thats what I thought Marq, it looks like hes making it look like a set rather than it actually being one, as a set would probably wait until I pot commit myself on the turn. I didnt think he would call a reraise with AT, so I thought he either has AA/KK or a bluff. So I flat called with the intention of calling his bet on the turn. I was surprised to see AK, maybe my initial evaluation of him was too generous.


[Aug 3 01:29:43] : hectorjelly called $25
[Aug 3 01:29:44] : Dealing turn.
[Aug 3 01:29:44] : Board cards [7h 6d Tc 8s]
[Aug 3 01:29:46] : hectorjelly checked.
[Aug 3 01:29:52] : chaotic bet $31
[Aug 3 01:29:54] : hectorjelly called $31 and is All-in
[Aug 3 01:29:54] : Showdown!
[Aug 3 01:29:54] : Seat 1 : hectorjelly has Qs Qc
[Aug 3 01:29:56] : Seat 1 : hectorjelly has Qs Qc
[Aug 3 01:29:56] : Seat 3 : chaotic has Ah Kd
[Aug 3 01:30:01] : Board cards [7h 6d Tc 8s Ts]
[Aug 3 01:30:01] : Seat 3 : chaotic has Ah Kd
[Aug 3 01:30:01] : chaotic has Pair: 10s
[Aug 3 01:30:01] : Seat 1 : hectorjelly has Qs Qc
[Aug 3 01:30:01] : hectorjelly has Two Pair: Queens and 10s
[Aug 3 01:30:01] : hectorjelly wins $195.50 with Two Pair: Queens and 10s
[Aug 3 01:30:05] : chaotic : nh
[Aug 3 01:30:11] : Hand is over.

jem

He was obviously trying to buy the pot , using his rep. as a decent player, of course you would never do the same.

Hectorjelly

jem wrote:

He was obviously trying to buy the pot , using his rep. as a decent player, of course you would never do the same.

Trying to push people off overpairs is a bad idea, especially when they dont have that much behind. If I had $200 behind rather than $60 it might be better. And his preflop call is very bad.

Einstein

Hectorjelly wrote:

And his preflop call is very bad.

why so hector?

Hitman Actual

I'm interested that you flat-called the flop raise, because when I read the post I thought it was a push or fold situation. I found his flop raise interesting as it was an amount that was putting you to a decision for your stack. If he was good enough to know this, then was he good enough to do it with a hand worse than yours, hoping to fold out the better hand. On the other hand, was he good enough to make the raise with a hand better than yours, hoping you'd re-raise all-in on the flop.

I would have lost money here, I think. I may have folded the better hand (although I dont think I'm folding QQ here), or more likely I would have moved all-in and only gotten called by a better hand. I wouldn't have considered calling here, even though it looks to be a really good option.

Hectorjelly

lenny_leonard wrote:

I would have lost money here, I think. I may have folded the better hand (although I dont think I'm folding QQ here), or more likely I would have moved all-in and only gotten called by a better hand. I wouldn't have considered calling here, even though it looks to be a really good option.

I flat called because I thought he could well be bluffing with a hand that he would not call all in with, so as to give him an opportunity to put the rest of his chips in. If he has outflopped me then I lose the same either way, but if hes bluffing I win more.

careca

Hectorjelly wrote:

I flat called because I thought he could well be bluffing with a hand that he would not call all in with, so as to give him an opportunity to put the rest of his chips in. If he has outflopped me then I lose the same either way, but if hes bluffing I win more.

Excellent thought process. Similar in kind to the check and push bet (on aly flop) when shortstacked but from the reverse angle (if you know what I mean )

Hectorjelly

Divers wrote:

why so hector?

Because my hand range is AA/KK most of the time. Even if Im reraising with AK QQ and JJ as well there is almost no flop that will result in him stacking me, but there are plenty that will trap him.

Hitman Actual

Yeah, I like the reasoning. It's a flaw in my game that I reduce a situation like this to push-or-fold, without considering that calling is a better +EV move.

careca

lenny_leonard wrote:

Yeah, I like the reasoning. It's a flaw in my game that I reduce a situation like this to push-or-fold, without considering that calling is a better +EV move.

Ditto. One of many for me, I'm afraid.

Einstein

Hectorjelly wrote:

Because my hand range is AA/KK most of the time. Even if Im reraising with AK QQ and JJ as well there is almost no flop that will result in him stacking me, but there are plenty that will trap him.

Ok, so you'd normally only raise with those kind of hands andhe should have picked that up? is that it?

Hectorjelly

Divers wrote:

Ok, so you'd normally only raise with those kind of hands andhe should have picked that up? is that it?

Reraise