Interesting Omaha Hand

Marq

I have finally got an internet connection again, and have returned to pokerstars with a small bankroll. I found this hand very interesting.
I'm Jimmy Cake in the BB.

PokerStars Game #2248392823: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/08/02 - 20:01:15 (ET)
Table 'Alkeste III' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: bubuka ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Stud ($65.70 in chips)
Seat 3: agont ($15.05 in chips)
Seat 4: IrishJohnson ($24.45 in chips)
Seat 5: sparky41 ($30 in chips)
Seat 6: Pat5957 ($45.30 in chips)
Seat 8: fkl22 ($50.60 in chips)
Seat 9: Jimmy Cake ($94.50 in chips)
fkl22: posts small blind $0.25
Jimmy Cake: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jimmy Cake [8s 9h 7h 5h]
bubuka: calls $0.50
Stud: folds
agont: folds
IrishJohnson: folds
sparky41: calls $0.50
Pat5957: calls $0.50
Busandra is disconnected
fkl22: calls $0.25
Jimmy Cake: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jh 4d 6c]
fkl22: checks
Jimmy Cake: bets $2
Busandra is connected
bubuka: calls $2
sparky41: raises $8.40 to $10.40
Pat5957: folds
fkl22: folds
Jimmy Cake: calls $8.40
bubuka: folds
*** TURN *** [Jh 4d 6c] [Th]
Jimmy Cake: bets $24.05
sparky41: calls $19.10 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Jh 4d 6c Th] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jimmy Cake: shows [8s 9h 7h 5h] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
sparky41: mucks hand
Jimmy Cake collected $60.50 from pot
Busandra is disconnected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $63.50 | Rake $3
Board [Jh 4d 6c Th 9s]
Seat 1: bubuka folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Stud folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: agont folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: IrishJohnson folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: sparky41 mucked [Jc 3s Tc Jd]
Seat 6: Pat5957 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: fkl22 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Jimmy Cake (big blind) showed [8s 9h 7h 5h] and won ($60.50) with a straight, Seven to Jack


TURN:
pokenum -o 9h 8s 7h 5h - jc jd tc 3s -- jh 4d 6c
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 6c 4d Jh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
8s 9h 7h 5h 322 39.27 498 60.73 0 0.00 0.393
3s Jc Tc Jd 498 60.73 322 39.27 0 0.00 0.607

RIVER:
pokenum -o 9h 8s 7h 5h - jc jd tc 3s -- jh 4d 6c th
Omaha Hi: 40 enumerated boards containing 6c 4d Jh Th
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
8s 9h 7h 5h 22 55.00 18 45.00 0 0.00 0.550
3s Jc Tc Jd 18 45.00 22 55.00 0 0.00 0.450


The villian is an ok player, unlike most at this level he has the ability to lay hands down, although like most of the players at this level he very rarely bets the pot. I checked my big blind, though i would often make a small value raise here. I bet the large wrap on the flop, and when I am raised by this player i decide that I am up against a set, intending to give the hand up if I don't catch on the turn. When the turn brings a flush draw I bet out, reckoning that I'm going to call a bet here anyway, and if I'm wrong and he doesn't have a set, he might fold. I was sure that if he bet and i called, he would not call a river bet if I hit, as it would be an obvoius scare card.

What I was most surprised about was that having used a couple of different odds calculators, it turns out that I am a small favourite with only one card to come (55%), having been worse than 60-40 behind on the flop and worse than that again before the flop, where he flops the nuts. He had one of his own blockers (a ten) and I had three hearts in my hand, leaving only 8 flush outs.

Omaha is mental.

Hectorjelly

Nice hand, good play on the turn.

ocallagh

Marq wrote:

What I was most surprised about was that having used a couple of different odds calculators, it turns out that I am a small favourite with only one card to come (55%)

Omaha is mental.

vnh!

Chris ferguson cannot believe other pros can make it without his knowledge of mathematics/pot odds etc... I don't think enough players (including myself) spend enough time learning the maths. Faced with that hand in a $50/$100 PLO would you have been as confident on the turn? Obviously with the odds laid out you'd have stuck your tank in on the turn, but I think a lot of players would have played the turn incorrectly and not maximised their profit from this hand..

I intend to work on that aspect of my game a lot...

Marq

I think my turn decision is made a lot easier by the fact that betting the pot puts my opponent all in. If we both have a few hundred BB's then he can put me to a difficult decision by raising the pot. having said that, even if this were the case, I'd be getting even money on a 55/45 shot. I think with deep stacks and bigger limits this is still the correct play.

It's one of those cases in omaha where both players would probably be quite happy to put all of their money in the pot even if they could see the other guy's hand.

ocallagh

i 100% agree it is the correct play, regardless of stack sizes etc, as long as you have reserves! you should always go for a 55/45 shot if you are comfortable at the level u are playing at.. my point is you were ahead, even aginst top set, and most players would not have known that.

DapperGent

Marq wrote:

It's one of those cases in omaha where both players would probably be quite happy to put all of their money in the pot even if they could see the other guy's hand.

Yep weird though it sounds that can be a pseudo-reasonable situation in Omaha.

I comtemplate this hand in a Zen-like fashion from time to time. I thought I had him completely over a barrel. I'm only 51% to win the hand. Note his blocker to the possible top set.

Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
Kentucky 3451612-14578 Omaha Pot Limit $1/$2
[Jul 13 22:48:27] : Hand Start.
[Jul 13 22:48:27] : Seat 1 : jesse owens has $203
[Jul 13 22:48:27] : Seat 2 : DapperG has $363.50
[Jul 13 22:48:27] : Seat 3 : Andollini has $379.50
[Jul 13 22:48:27] : Seat 5 : hitman3 has $123
[Jul 13 22:48:27] : Seat 6 : peter2431 has $350.25
[Jul 13 22:48:27] : DapperG is the dealer.
[Jul 13 22:48:27] : Andollini posted small blind.
[Jul 13 22:48:27] : hitman3 posted big blind.
[Jul 13 22:48:27] : Game [14578] started with 5 players.
[Jul 13 22:48:27] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jul 13 22:48:27] : Seat 2 : DapperG has 8h 5c Td 7h
[Jul 13 22:48:31] : peter2431 called $2
[Jul 13 22:48:31] : jesse owens folded.
[Jul 13 22:48:34] : DapperG called $2 and raised $7
[Jul 13 22:48:39] : Andollini folded.
[Jul 13 22:48:53] : hitman3 has 10 seconds to respond.
[Jul 13 22:48:56] : hitman3 called $7
[Jul 13 22:48:56] : peter2431 called $7
[Jul 13 22:48:57] : Dealing flop.
[Jul 13 22:48:57] : Board cards [6s 9c 4d]
[Jul 13 22:48:58] : hitman3 checked.
[Jul 13 22:49:05] : peter2431 bet $28
[Jul 13 22:49:09] : DapperG called $28 and raised $84
[Jul 13 22:49:22] : hitman3 folded.
[Jul 13 22:49:26] : peter2431 called $84 and raised $229.25 and is All-in
[Jul 13 22:49:27] : DapperG called $229.25
[Jul 13 22:49:28] : Showdown!
[Jul 13 22:49:28] : Seat 2 : DapperG has 8h 5c Td 7h
[Jul 13 22:49:30] : Seat 2 : DapperG has 8h 5c Td 7h
[Jul 13 22:49:30] : Seat 6 : peter2431 has Kd 9h 6c 6h
[Jul 13 22:49:36] : Board cards [6s 9c 4d 2d 5s]
[Jul 13 22:49:36] : Seat 6 : peter2431 has Kd 9h 6c 6h
[Jul 13 22:49:36] : peter2431 has 3 of a Kind: 6s
[Jul 13 22:49:36] : Seat 2 : DapperG has 8h 5c Td 7h
[Jul 13 22:49:36] : DapperG has Straight 98765
[Jul 13 22:49:36] : DapperG wins $707.50 with Straight 98765
[Jul 13 22:49:46] : Hand is over.

Lafortezza

Marq wrote:

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jimmy Cake [8s 9h 7h 5h]

*** FLOP *** [Jh 4d 6c]
fkl22: checks
Jimmy Cake: bets $2
Busandra is connected
bubuka: calls $2
sparky41: raises $8.40 to $10.40
Pat5957: folds
fkl22: folds
Jimmy Cake: calls $8.40
bubuka: folds

*** TURN *** [Jh 4d 6c] [Th]
Jimmy Cake: bets $24.05
sparky41: calls $19.10 and is all-in

Omaha is mental.

I'd personally raise the flop with a draw like that when there are no flush draws out there. Definitely bet the turn hard.
I wouldn't value raise preflop with that hand when I'm in the BB since you will be out of position if someone reraises you.

Nicely played and Omaha is mental in a good way.

Hectorjelly

lafortezza wrote:

Nicely played and Omaha is mental in a good way.

I remember flopping top set in a $750 pot on VC. Nice one I thought, but I was actually a considerable dog. Similar to getting all in on a flush draw plus overcard in hold em. Luckily the turn was the case Ace!

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1122847
pokenum -o as ah jc jh - 4c 5c 8d 9d -- ac 6d 7d
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ac 7d 6d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Jc Ah Jh 316 38.54 504 61.46 0 0.00 0.385
5c 4c 9d 8d 504 61.46 316 38.54 0 0.00 0.615