Plane Crashes In Toronto

Kennington

Its on Sky News, Air France plane, apparently trying to land, skidded off the run way and has now exploded, its not lookin good for a hope of survivors

Chong

Holy crap just turned it on.

Kennington

Hope theyre ok, but its not looking good at all for them

whiskeyman

yeah - terrible news. Looks slim for any survivors.
It's so live (and in so fast time - seems to be a traffic camera on a nearby highway) that its leaving the Sky reporters stuck with things to say.
At the start, they kept saying "we dont know the carrier... we dont know the destination... but we do know incidences like this have happened before...".
Jeez...

Third_Echelon

Holy crap... those pictures are nuts!

Vokes

Anyone see an explosion there ?

Thank god it didnt skid into the highway.

Kennington

Its all the more sad, because when your on a plane usually when you think you hit ground that your safe, youve arrived like, and then something like this happens

ro2

From the picture of the plane on www.ctv.ca it looks like the back of the plane was on fire so hopefully the people at the front got out.

Lump

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4740381.stm

I'd say the heat and smoke will have knocked most people out unfortunality!

John

Third_Echelon

according to the CDG website flight tracker the plane has 'landed'. See attached pic....

mike65

from orlando sentinal.

The flaming ruin was next to the four-lane Highway 401, Canada's busiest highway, and some cars and trucks stopped on the roadway after the crash.

There was no immediate word on casualties.

"They made an approach in weather that was worse than what they anticipated," John Wiley, a retired Airbus pilot, told CNN.

Leah Walker, a radio reporter in Toronto, said she saw a third of the plane fall and that the rest became a fireball. "This plane attempted to land in some very fierce weather we had today," she said.

Thunderstorms create the possibility of wind shear, the sudden, dangerous air currents that can dash an airplane to the ground as it takes off or lands

Mike.

scojones

252 on board, no reports of casualties as of yet. Saw it on sky news on tv, It exploded twice, a load of smoke coming out of it. Fire trucks trying to put out the blaze. Just off highway 401. Reports say it skidden off the runway while landing, and that there was a lightning storm. A source on the ground has stated he has a tape of the entire thing, but is stuck in the airport.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1191024,00.html

RVN10

Apparantley there was a thunder strike before it landed

ro2

There's live video here - CBS are now saying there were no fatalities?

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml

Dinner

Must have been some bolt of lightening to make a plane go off the runway.

EDIT: Just heard on CNN that there were some survivers who were taken to a local hospital.

the_syco

Linkie

[font=Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif]Thunderstorms create the possibility of wind shear, the sudden, dangerous air currents that can dash an airplane to the ground as it takes off or lands.

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whiskeyman

ro2 wrote:

There's live video here - CBS are now saying there were no fatalities?

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml

So, perhaps it skidded and slowed down to crash.... then everyone could evacuate?
I noticed it was some time before a firetruck dowsed the plane on fire as many emergency vehicles seemed to be just around the site.... perhaps a sign that those who escaped were being treated and there wasnt the same urgency to get the fire under control?
Guess we'll know soon... lets hope it's with minimum loss of life

county

it looks pretty bad on tv,the pilots got out though

ro2

Your man the CBS news anchor came on and said that they had just heard that all the passengers had evacuated. He said you could evacuate those planes in 90 seconds.

Third_Echelon

Eye witness accounts reported the plane being struck by lightening and parts of the plane falling to the ground just before landing... It was suggested to be an engine, but eyewitness couldn't be sure....

various sources

whiskeyman

this is also on the News/Media thread - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=3136095#post3136095
Better home for it there with some interesting links / feeds etc..

Third_Echelon

Sky news have just reported that local emergency services have said that 'most of the passengers have been evacuated from the aircraft'...

scojones

unconformed reports on sky news that everyone was evacuated safely.

seamus

It's not completely unlikely that it was hit by lightning. Ordinarily, it wouldn't have that much of an effect in flight, but so close to the ground, it's plausible, if a tad freakish.

mike65

I'm trying to listen to CBC Toronto they have a ****e server.

They say they're are survivers people stumbling about with broken limbs, dazed and confused etc.

They are not BBC standard they don't even have decent time for the crash "sometime between 3.30 and 3.50".

Mike.

ro2

CNN for anyone that doesn't have it:

http://60hud.com/live.asx

Third_Echelon

BBC feed its good...

Chong

Was listening to CNN , its the worst coverage ever. They have this guy and he's an idiot, he says to his co-anchor and says looking at the wreckage "the fire services seem to be spraying the inferno with something he cant make out it cant be water cause that wont put it out cause we all know water wont put out a fire".

ro2

Willem D wrote:

Was listening to CNN , its the worst coverage ever. They have this guy and he's an idiot, he says to his co-anchor and says looking at the wreckage "the fire services seem to be spraying the inferno with something he cant make out it cant be water cause that wont put it out cause we all know water wont put out a fire".

They've cut those fools off now and stuck on CBC Canada instead.

jonny68

Dunno if this has been posted already,hope there are no fatalities :eek:

Air France Airbus crashes in flames at Toronto
Tue Aug 2, 2005 5:23 PM ET

TORONTO (Reuters) - An Air France Airbus burst into flames after apparently skidding off the runway at Toronto's Pearson International Airport on Tuesday, aviation officials said.

A ticket agent in Montreal with Air France said the plane was its AF358 flight from Paris to Toronto, an Airbus A340 . "That's all we know," the agent said.

"An Air France plane landing on runway 2-4 went off the end of the runway in the area of Convair Drive and the 401 area in Mississauga," Peel police Sgt. Glyn Griffiths said.

Canadian television quoted police as saying that the pilot and a number of passengers been taken to hospital.

Witnesses told Canadian television stations that the plane, which could carry 252 passengers, had apparently skidded off the runway after landing in rainy conditions.

It was too early to say what might have caused the plane to miss the end of the runway.

Live TV pictures showed huge clouds of black smoke and orange flames coming from the fuselage of the plane, which was off the end of a runway lying close to a main traffic artery.

Afternoon rush hour traffic quickly clogged up along the highway, one of Canada's busiest, as vehicles passed only a few yards from the crash site.

Air France's Web site showed that flight 358 left Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris was due to arrive at Pearson's terminal 3 on Tuesday afternoon.

The airline's A340s are generally configured for 252 passenger seats, but there was no immediate information about how many passengers were on the plane.

Toronto airport has been closed to other traffic, with planes diverted to Ottawa and other nearby airports

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-08-02T212255Z_01_N02645039_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-CRASH-CANADA-DC.XML

scojones

A passenger was just interviewed on sky news. He said that the power went out in the plane on the approach, just before it landed, and that it skidded off the runway. Several people have been brought to hospital.

Third_Echelon

BBC have just reported on their live feed that '2 busloads of survivors' have been shipped from the scene to the terminal to receive treatment...

Official number is 291 people on the flight...

City Television, Toronto have reported that ALL passengers have survived.. fingerds crossed

mike65

(is the boards server crap tonight?)

Some guy on the plane talking to local radio (player launch) describing the incident. He's French and the CTC interviewer says "welcome to canada!"

Aparently no fatalities.

Listening to Canadian radio is like having your eyes gouged out very slowly.
No-body is competent.

Someone from emergency services is speaking. All have been evacuated, no serious injuries it seems.

Mike.

Lump

Indeed, everyone Survived. They got out before the fire broke out.

309 Passengers and crew Safe. Some smoke inhalation damage n' stuff

John

vannistelrooy10

definatley pilot error he over shot the runway plain and simple..
i have to laugh at the details of the crash... we lost power because lights went out.. last time i was on a plane the pilot will dim the lights before landing standard procedure.
they had a figure on screen of 200 on board before they had any details on aircraft model and airline. how did they manage that.??????
also 'we dont know if it was landing or taking off'... the lack of a fireball would indicate landing as it has a lot less fuel on board.
as i mentioned it was more than likely pilot error as a lightening strike is likely but to bring a plane down unlikely as the aircraft are designed to take the strikes they fly through storms for god sake.
anchor men are gob****es

Traffic

definatley pilot error he over shot the runway plain and simple..

Much too early in the investigation to be issueing blame!!

Lump

Yea, maybe the breaks broke!

John

vannistelrooy10

true it prob is but they have the black boxes so we will see.
i bet they will cover it up though coz pilot error doesnt read too well, i say they will blame wind shear or the brakes mentioned above

Traffic

i bet they will cover it up though coz pilot error doesnt read too well, i say they will blame wind shear or the brakes mentioned above

A plane crash really does bring out all the 'experts'!

I think we'll leave it in the very capable hands of the crash investigators.

vannistelrooy10

Traffic wrote:

A plane crash really does bring out all the 'experts'!

I think we'll leave it in the very capable hands of the crash investigators.

take it you havent read the latest pilot aborted 1st landing and over shot the 2nd attempt so looks like i am right

Traffic

Yes I have but like I said before you should wait for the experts to release their report

vannistelrooy10

Traffic wrote:

Yes I have but like I said before you should wait for the experts to release their report

do you work in airline industry???????
i do so i have some idea of wat is going on

zoro

vannistelrooy10 wrote:

do you work in airline industry???????
i do so i have some idea of wat is going on

What an idiotic thing to say.

The investigators will investigate the whole scenario and report what they deem to be the most likely cause of the entire thing.

If the investigators find that the pilot was at fault then fair enough, if not, you'll no doubt be on here saying "coverup!!!!"

flogen

vannistelrooy10 wrote:

do you work in airline industry???????
i do so i have some idea of wat is going on

It doesn't really matter where you work, unless you're on the investigation team and you're privy to information that hasn't been made public yet.

The experts will give their analysis on the situation once they've come to a conclusion, until then everything else that is said about the incident or the pilot or the weather is no better than rumour, educated guesses or out of context facts.

zoro

Damn you for saying what I said in a much better way

athena 2000

The head of the team investigating the crash said that the wet runway contributed to the accident, and that the pilot likely overshot the landing.
Link to report from the Associated Press.
Link to report from Macleans online business magazine.

zoro

Emergency Exits Malfunction - wow ... I missed that!

vannistelrooy10

we will see

flogen

vannistelrooy10 wrote:

we will see

exactly my point.

Traffic

and mine too!