ace rag muppet

jem

Was playing our game friday night,
Was seated 2 off BB 6 playing.
Blinds 100/200 had 5600 in chips.
20 min after freeze out started.
Ist pos fold, Looked at cards AK off raised by 1000.
Folded to Bb, he thought and called,
Flop AQ3 rainbow,bb checked, I bet 1000- he called,
turn 9, he checked I bet 1000.
river 7 he goes all in,
I go fcuk.
I knew he had hit the 7 , thought about it and decided he had either pocket 7's or A7.
I folded.
Cripled in chips compaired to other stacks.
Was told later he had A7 off. What the Fcuk was he doing calling the pre flop no less the bets on flop and turn.
Later he ended up in heads up and hit 4 diamonds to beat Tap with a flush.
to add insult to injury he said that he had played "perfect poker" the whole night, never making 1 mistake. What can you do??

Shortstack

Worst thing is that it happens at all levels. My demise at the $1500 WSOP event was similar, I raise with AK, guy calls with A3o. Flop is AK3, all the chips go in and a 3 hits the turn! There is a muppet epidemic, long may it continue, they only get lucky so often

Lafortezza

To quote HJ: "WHO HAS THE CHIPS?! WHO HAS THE CHIPS!?"

But seriously it's nasty when it happens like that...

ollyk1

What can you do??

Congratulate him and be grateful it's a home game because you'll take the chips of him for the next two months so tell him how great he played to make sure he comes back and don't encourage him to improve his game. I love when the poor players win in my home game* - you've got to give them hope and they lose twice as much after they've had a win.


*I do prefer when they win someone elses money by sucking out but I accept the pain when it happens

jem

trouble is that this muppet usually hits against me.I couldn't count the number of times he has rivered me.

RasTa

Shortstack wrote:

Worst thing is that it happens at all levels. My demise at the $1500 WSOP event was similar, I raise with AK, guy calls with A3o. Flop is AK3, all the chips go in and a 3 hits the turn! There is a muppet epidemic, long may it continue, they only get lucky so often

In fairness he did flop a 2 pair aswell

Shortstack

RasTa wrote:

In fairness he did flop a 2 pair aswell

That he did, but not many books or players will agree that calling a raise with A3 offsuit is a 'good play'.

Any two cards can flop 2 pair or even quads but that does not mean you should be calling raises with any hand 'just in case'.

Doc Farrell

jem wrote:

trouble is that this muppet usually hits against me.I couldn't count the number of times he has rivered me.

In that case you're not making it expensive enough to let him get to the river. Either lower the limits and go all in or raise the limits and reraise him. If he's still winning the majority of the hands then either he's not scared of your game or you're supernaturally cursed.

jem

You see he is a calling station who can have cards.
I generally take the smaller pots from him and he has a habit of hiting rivers in the big pots. In saying that we are playing for the past 18 months and he has only won twice while I am 2nd most sucessful, after tap.His favourite saying preflop is well teh best he can have is a pair just before he makes a dum call. :mad:

In reality I think I am

Doc Farrell wrote:

supernaturally cursed.

against him.

lethal dose

I'm going to a tourney in Carlow tonight and it is muppet central and each time I go I always luck out against crappy hands that hit the turn or river but I manage to save some sanity in the sidetables. I've got a plan on dealing with it though, gonna try it tonight anyone find a good method of dealing with this problem please, I'm all ears!

aidankk

id say 95% of players in home games tourneys, or small money tourneys will always call up to 1/4 of their chips with a7.

good thing they do as well.

Does seem as if the low kicker pairs 75% of the time tough...

aidankk

lethal dose wrote:

I'm going to a tourney in Carlow tonight and it is muppet central and each time I go I always luck out against crappy hands that hit the turn or river but I manage to save some sanity in the sidetables. I've got a plan on dealing with it though, gonna try it tonight anyone find a good method of dealing with this problem please, I'm all ears!

this carlow tourney is it in the Dolman. The guy who runs this takes about 75% of the money... i finished 5th out of 180 and got 100e. The winner got 1250. He collected at least 8000 in tops and rebuys...

Only thing is that there are co many bad players, that a good hand can triple or quad up...

califano

lethal dose wrote:

I'm going to a tourney in Carlow tonight and it is muppet central and each time I go I always luck out against crappy hands that hit the turn or river but I manage to save some sanity in the sidetables. I've got a plan on dealing with it though, gonna try it tonight anyone find a good method of dealing with this problem please, I'm all ears!

as we speak weve got men looking into this problem 24/7. nobody ,nobody has the right to play crappy hands but hell they keep playin them dammit. this plan you mention?

jem

aidankk wrote:

this carlow tourney is it in the Dolman. The guy who runs this takes about 75% of the money... i finished 5th out of 180 and got 100e. The winner got 1250. He collected at least 8000 in tops and rebuys...

...

Ouch!!!!

I notice there is a game advertised in Roscrea on Thursday night week, a couple of nights earlier the same crowd are in Birr & Tullamore judging by the posters. I have a bad feeling about these games.

lethal dose

rounders123 wrote:

. this plan you mention?

Well it means only playing top hands only and well I'll let you know how I fair compared to my regular game play.

califano

lethal dose wrote:

Well it means only playing top hands only and well I'll let you know how I fair compared to my regular game play.

not bad. as howard lederer says "to deal with these players i simply drop a brick on their head", the brick being the good hand. only one problem is if good hands are few and far between its hard to keep waiting.

Doc Farrell

aidankk wrote:

this carlow tourney is it in the Dolman. The guy who runs this takes about 75% of the money... i finished 5th out of 180 and got 100e. The winner got 1250. He collected at least 8000 in tops and rebuys...

If this is true then it is criminal. I wouldn't play in it. In fact if I were sure of this then I would post flyers in the place saying so. This makes my stomach turn. 15-25%. but 75%! why not hand him the money and ask for a fiver back.

califano

i would print these flyers for free(im in the business) it would be a pleasure.

ollyk1

Des it is true.

It's not criminal (he doesn't stick a gun to anyones head) it's an illustration of (a) how bad the players are that they keep going back for more and (b) how desperate people are for a game in the Carlow area.

I'm originally from that neck of the woods and my brother has played in the game twice - both times swearing never to return!!

I think he's learned his lesson and the drive to the Fitz in Dublin is worth it just to get a decent game in but some people just don't like playing on the net and don't know where to find a quality game.


A decent three table home game tournament would pay out nearly as much but people won't go and set one up - makes me wonder.....

aidankk

Doc Farrell wrote:

If this is true then it is criminal. I wouldn't play in it. In fact if I were sure of this then I would post flyers in the place saying so. This makes my stomach turn. 15-25%. but 75%! why not hand him the money and ask for a fiver back.

well i suppose if you live outside the pale as i do, there is very little options, and at 40-60e it represents a good night out.. Also there is a reasonable change of payout with all the bad players, both myself and my brother have been on 2 final tables out of 3 and he has won one for 1100e.

There is definalty room for a good monthly game in the south east, there was 180 at the carlow game and 120 at the kilkenny one. I am considering setting up a game in kilkenny, ( we currently have a weekly tourney with about 40 players)..

lethal dose

rounders123 wrote:

not bad. as howard lederer says "to deal with these players i simply drop a brick on their head", the brick being the good hand. only one problem is if good hands are few and far between its hard to keep waiting.

Thats what I'm hoping will happen but as you say the downside is they may not come and blinds increase at quite a rate.

califano

lethal dose wrote:

Thats what I'm hoping will happen but as you say the downside is they may not come and blinds increase at quite a rate.

well good luck, thats the way to play it anyway. let us know how it goes. maybe you should think of sticking to the sidetables if that tournament does your head in though.

lethal dose

Ok here's how it went. Started at a table which was very conservative and that knew how to play what a revelation! Got moved to another table after ten minutes then it all changed. I played maybe 13/14 hands for the rest of the night and finished 18th or so once again the madness reigned. There were two players who went toe to toe and one was all in there was about 4000 chips in the pot and blinds were 150/300. Turned them over on the river and the all in player had A7o and the other had a pair of threes, pair of threes won! This was the general trend of the table sometimes there was three way all in action I just sat back and watched the show. I never made a big hand all night but I was happy with my methodology. I got up to 20,000 chips and blinds were 2000/4000 and I was two places to the left of BB. Pocket twos, now I had established a rep at the table for only playing good hands so I thought I'd steal the blinds as it checked around to me so went all in and everyone folded except this guy who had called everyone since he sat down at the table(about twenty mins at this stage) he had KJo but I knew once I got a caller I was in trouble, turned a J on the turn and that was that. Whenever someone went all in he went all in to eliminate any possibility of other players and as it turned out out on the night this 50/50 situation worked very well for him eg. Guy second in chips went all in for 33000 with QQ and he called with A2o, he flopped 345!
So once again luck is the overriding factor when you are playing with muppets and that you have no control of in the face of fearless ignorance. My mistake was not having established any sort of respect for me from this guy but he would fold to anyone so I should have folded the pair, anyhow lesson learned.

califano

lethal dose wrote:

I was two places to the left of BB. Pocket twos, so I thought I'd steal the blinds as it checked around to me so went all in and everyone folded except this guy

hard luck there. you'd of been 2nd to act here so how do you mean "checked around to me so i went all in"?.

lethal dose

Sorry what I meant was there were two playersbetween me and BB so third to act after BB and seven at the table.