IRL: 1X12 - "Whatever The Case May Be" [**SPOILERS WITHIN**]

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WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE"

Episode Title: "Whatever The Case May Be"
Airdate: August 1st 2005

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Jack, Kate and Sawyer fight over possession of a newly discovered locked metal briefcase which might contain insights into Kate's mysterious past. Meanwhile, Sayid asks a reluctant Shannon to translate notes he took from the French woman, a rising tide threatens to engulf the fuselage and the entire beach encampment, and Rose and a grieving Charlie tentatively bond over Claire's baffling disappearance.

Next New Episode: 1X13 - "Hearts And Minds" - 8th August 2005

tvnutz

Average

This ep is good because we get to see more of "the thing" Locke and Boone found,and some interesting stuff about Kate. Her back stories aren't the most interesting ones,but i do like Kate herself,so it was a good ep,not an excellent one!

also,did anyone notice last week on the O2 competition,the question was "which character was a former rock star",and the options were Locke, Charlie and Sayid. but the tool who was reading the question pronounced Sayid's name Say-ED. *shudder*

AliasFan47

What do you expect from announcers on RTE who insist on pronouncing RTE as oarTE

OFDM

Average

Didn't anything of "the thing" tbh. Just that they needed an axe for whatever they were up to.

Bit of a slow episode but good all the same. Korean woman over hearing that guns are in the case may come to something.

I miss the monster. Please come back monster.

tvnutz

Average

Anyone notice the numbers connection? The lock box number was 815,their flight number was 815. Numbers are important in the show,if you watch Alias you will probably know it! Look out for more,especially later in the season

soma

Terrible!

hmm.. first ep where I found myself clock-watching to be honest.

The last five minutes drove me a bit batty to be honest. The charlie/older black woman interaction was just sickly sweet and shannon singing (altho Im sure the lyrics will be of consequence..) made me feel like I had accidently switched over to the disney channel. :mad:

tvnutz - eh I dont know what you saw of the 'thing', but the only information I garnered about it was that they required an axe to work on it & they had been 'working on it' for four days.

Kate's backstory was a bit of a snoozefest for me personally.

One thing I liked, was Jack's comment about the beach eroding at a completely unnatural rate - kinda like the island was herding them inland.

Overall I'm sure the ep contained important (subtle) information & clues but it's the 1st one that left me a little cold.

soma

Terrible!

tvnutz wrote:

Anyone notice the numbers connection? The lock box number was 815,their flight number was 815. Numbers are important in the show,if you watch Alias you will probably know it! Look out for more,especially later in the season

Dunno about other posters here, but I'm not that happy with you posting comments alluding to future events (or clues in this instance), given that (it at least sounds like) you have already viewed the later eps.

Dellgirl

The numbers have been discussed in other threads as well so everyone knows about them ....well...nearly everyone!

Whats with Kate's aeroplane? Whats that all about? Did she have some forewarning to the crashing of the plane? Nobody seems that worried about Claire anymore and why is it taking so long for Locke to dig up the iron thing he found?

Sayid seems to be well into singing Blondie. A couple for the future? It will be interesting to see if the y form what could loosely be called a society with social structure. Whoever gets the guns will prolly be at the top of the food chain. The Truman Show meets Survivor.

Kate is well sneaky and I see her going on to be the Docs nemesis if she carries on being so sneaky.

pchead

Terrible!

I have several problems with this episode, which I think was the poorest so far:

1. Why aren't the survivors combing the island looking for Claire. She was hardly mentioned

2. When Kate was up the tree picking fruit or whatever, did you notice how hairless her armpit was . I would have thought the last thing on her mind would be unwanted fuzz. Shouldn't all the ladies be doing a Julia Roberts after a few weeks on a deserted island. Same goes for the men and the facial hair.

3. Should Jack and Kate not have been wearing some kind of a rag over their mouths when digging up the dead guy? Probably not the healthiest thing in the world to be breathing in whatever germs etc might be floating around an open grave.

4. Why oh why have they not tried to contact the French Woman or explore the island. How do they know its an island? Maybe its a peninsula!

Dades

Terrible!

Wasn't impressed last night. :mad:

No cliff hanger or crazy revelation.
I though Kates "a man I killed" line was cheesy and fell flat.

Nice swimming scenes though.

tvnutz

Average

soma wrote:

Dunno about other posters here, but I'm not that happy with you posting comments alluding to future events (or clues in this instance), given that (it at least sounds like) you have already viewed the later eps.

I alluded to the future of the show in general,based on JJ Abrahms other show,Alias,it wasn't a spoiler. Besides,we were told early on to look our for numbers.

tvnutz

Average

soma wrote:

tvnutz - eh I dont know what you saw of the 'thing', but the only information I garnered about it was that they required an axe to work on it & they had been 'working on it' for four days.

ye i had forgotten the ep,i thought there was more in it...

RonanC

pchead wrote:

I have several problems with this episode, which I think was the poorest so far:

Agree with most of what you said, this was by far the weakest episode I've seen to date. Little advancement plot-wise and some appalling expositional dialogue to remind viewers of previous events (cf. Sayid & Jack discussing the French woman) which I found condescending to anyone who has being following it regularly.

Also, was nice of Kate and Sawyer to keep their discovery of the waterfall, etc. to themselves!

joejoem

Poor

Yeah I wasnt very impressed with this show, there was vert little in it to be honest, there was no pinnacle of the show, each week so far there has been one giant step as such but this week all there was was the suitcase which seems to play a minor role in the whole thing...

philtaylor

Terrible!

not impressed at all , was expecting more especially re the metal etc from last week thought that should have been developed more plus the story of clair baffles me - why arent they looking etc and that whole suitcase with the the small plane - whats that all about

Stimpyone

Poor

For what it's worth the lyrics of the song in English are....


Somewhere, beyond the sea
Somewhere waiting for me
My lover stands on golden sands
And watches the ships that go sailing

Somewhere, beyond the sea
She's there watching for me
If I could fly like birds on high
Then straigt to her arms I'd go sailing

It's far beyond a star,
it's near beyond the moon
I know beyond a doubt
My heart will lead me there soon

We'll meet beyond the shore
We'll kiss just like before
Happy we'll be beyond the sea
And never again I'll go sailing
Some sailing

I know beyond a doubt
My heart will lead me there soon
We'll meet I know we'll meet
Beyond the sure
We'll kiss just like before
Happy we'll be beyond the sea
And never again I'll go sailing
No more sailing
So long sailing
Goodby farewell, my friend,
No more Sailing....

Dunno but it may have some future significance.

herobear

the film that shannon is talking about is 'finding nemo', no idea if that song is in the french version however.

im so stupid i only got the episode title after watcing it for a second time, but yes i do agree its a pretty crap episode, since f*** all actually happens(its actually my 2nd least favourite episode in terms of 'on the island plot').

although the scene at the end with the toy plane is superb imo.

tvnutz

Average

Ye Im not surprised people didnt like this ep,it was one of the weaker ones,and I feel this ep and next weeks were kind of filler eps until we go into a run of about a dozen great episodes! (but next weeks is better than yesterdays).

BolBill

Poor

I like LOST, but last night sucked. Easily the worst episode in yonks.

We really didnt learn much last night. We already knew Kate was a bad apple as the Feds were after here. We also already knew she worse skimpy underwear but the reminder was most welcome.
The translation of the French by blondie (who defo mimed that singing) just showed us the French woman was crackers (like duh!) Sayid likes blondie bigtime but there is something dodgy about her and her brother.
As for Sawyer, well hes just an accident waiting to happen. But at least his beard is growing. Yer man from Lord Of The Rings is getting uglier by the week too

soma

Terrible!

tvnutz wrote:

I feel this ep and next weeks were kind of filler eps until we go into a run of about a dozen great episodes! (but next weeks is better than yesterdays).

woohoo - tvnutz that's the kind of alluding to the future i like!

tvnutz

Average

soma wrote:

woohoo - tvnutz that's the kind of alluding to the future i like!

lol

OFDM

Average

Stimpyone wrote:

For what it's worth the lyrics of the song in English are....

Somewhere, beyond the sea
Somewhere waiting for me
<snip>

Dunno but it may have some future significance.

They're the lyrics of "Beyond the Sea" by Bobby Darrin which has the same music as "La Mer" by Charles Trenet, but a different narrative.

Whereas "Beyond the Sea" is about someone's lover who is "somewhere, beyond the sea", "La Mer" is a psychedelic LSD trip about the sea (at least the babelfish translation version is anyway).

If there's a french speaker who wants to translate the lyrics to "La Mer" belt away:

La mer
Qu'on voit danser le long des golfes clairs
A des reflets d'argent
La mer
Des reflets changeants
Sous la pluie
La mer
Au ciel d'été confond
Ses blancs moutons
Avec les anges si purs
La mer bergere d'azur
Infinie
Voyez
Pres des étangs
Ces grands roseaux mouillés
Voyez
Ces oiseaux blancs
Et ces maisons rouillées
La mer
Les a bercés
Le long des golfes clairs
Et d'une chanson d'amour
La mer
A bercé mon cœur pour la vie

Stimpyone

Poor

OFDM wrote:

They're the lyrics of "Beyond the Sea" by Bobby Darrin which has the same music as "La Mer" by Charles Trenet, but a different narrative.

Whereas "Beyond the Sea" is about someone's lover who is "somewhere, beyond the sea", "La Mer" is a psychedelic LSD trip about the sea (at least the babelfish translation version is anyway).

Well spotted OFDM, heres what I got anyway...

La mer
Qu'on voit danser le long des golfes clairs
A des reflets d'argent
La mer
Des reflets changeants
Sous la pluie

The sea
which one sees dancing along the clear gulfs
to sparkles of silver.
The sea
Of changing sparkles
Under the rain.


La mer
Au ciel d'été confond
Ses blancs moutons
Avec les anges si purs
La mer bergère d'azur
Infinie

The sea
Confuses the summer sky's sheep
With angels so pure.
The sea
Shepherdess of blue infinity.


Voyez
Près des étangs
Ces grands roseaux mouillés
Voyez
Ces oiseaux blancs
Et ces maisons rouillées

Look!
Next to the ponds
Those tall wet reeds.
Look!
Those white birds
And those rusty houses [cabins of boats?]

La mer
Les a bercés
Le long des golfes clairs
Et d'une chanson d'amour
La mer
A bercé mon coeur pour la vie

The Sea
Has rocked them [like a baby]
Along the clear gulfs.
The Sea
Has rocked my heart for life.

I know sounds like rubbish to me.
Perhaps it doesn't have any significance after all

DadaKopf

The French lyrics reads like they're more significant than the Bobby Darrin version. Nearly like directions .

EamonnKeane

the film that shannon is talking about is 'finding nemo'

How could it be? The French woman's been on the island for 16 years... either she's lying, or talking about "The Little Mermaid" or some other film.

Matthewthebig

The song is in Finding Nemo! Doesn't mean it wasn't around before hand. Think about it

OFDM

Average

EamonnKeane wrote:

How could it be? The French woman's been on the island for 16 years... either she's lying, or talking about "The Little Mermaid" or some other film.

"La Mer" was written many many decades ago.

Scruff

holy beda hokey. i am soooo far behind in this series, think even channel 4 must be ahead of me now and my cousi sent me the enitire series ages ago:rolleyes: .

ok epidose. why the hell did she give soyer the case if she didnt care what was in it? did she want it all along and was hoping to just throw him off or was she trying to be strong?
if it was checked in and stowed, what was it doing under a seat?

must really watch this faster.....

jill_valentine

Kate was bluffing. If Sawyer knew how important it was to her, he'd make her pay for it somehow.