Would you do anything different here?

NickyOD

What are your thoughts on how I played this hand? Final table of the Pokerstars $5. 7 of 677 left. First pays about $850 7th pays $118. Would you have done the same?

PokerStars Game #2222766219: Tournament #10400771, Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (6000/12000) - 2005/07/30 - 13:33:13 (ET)
Table '10400771 44' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: NickyOD (132384 in chips)
Seat 2: kmax70 (107728 in chips)
Seat 4: beno2 (196482 in chips)
Seat 6: DrunkenMonke (163247 in chips)
Seat 7: ukfiberguy (251673 in chips)
Seat 8: wolfpdc5 (43239 in chips)
Seat 9: Shroomin (120747 in chips)
NickyOD: posts the ante 600
kmax70: posts the ante 600
beno2: posts the ante 600
DrunkenMonke: posts the ante 600
ukfiberguy: posts the ante 600
wolfpdc5: posts the ante 600
Shroomin: posts the ante 600
Shroomin: posts small blind 6000
NickyOD: posts big blind 12000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NickyOD [8s Ks]
kmax70: folds
beno2: folds
DrunkenMonke: raises 12000 to 24000
ukfiberguy: folds
wolfpdc5: folds
Shroomin: folds
NickyOD: calls 12000
*** FLOP *** [8h 3s 9d]
NickyOD: bets 107784 and is all-in

Thoughts?

Tackle

I would've have folded preflop here. You'll get better cards and you can still take one or two rounds of blinds in which someone could get busted out. As it stands, I don't see anything wrong with going all in on the flop, you'll be ahead more often than not here with second pair.

ocallagh

Depends on the player! Tournaments are so different to cash games, you can't diagnose hands in the same way, but if the guy has been active at the table I'd probably push and pray he hasn't hit.. On the other hand, if he is a rock you should check fold and wonder why you called the initial raise with K8!

ocallagh

ps: how'd it work out?

NickyOD

Tackle wrote:

I would've have folded preflop here. You'll get better cards and you can still take one or two rounds of blinds in which someone could get busted out. As it stands, I don't see anything wrong with going all in on the flop, you'll be ahead more often than not here with second pair.

I'm getting 7:2 here with the antes in the pot. There's very little I should be folding for that price.

Because the blinds were so steep at the final table I didn't really have a read on a few players as very few hands had been shown. Throughout the tournament though there was a lot of min raising with marginal hands. I figure that he isn't gona get cute with a big pair here and if that's true there are only a tiny % hand that he has that he hit this flop with. I thought about pushing preflop but I thought he might call with a smal pair or a weak ace. As it turned out he had 9Ts. Ugh!

Daithio

I don't think it's the worst move in the world Nicky but with a min raise like that people often have quite big hands. As it turned out he didn't but you maybe could have found out for a little cheaper. I don't know though, if he hadn't hit his ten it would have been a great move. I suppose you were just gambling he hadn't hit the flop which he had, unlucky really.

Daithio

Oh yeah, I would definitely call pre flop though.

Tackle

NickyOD wrote:

I'm getting 7:2 here with the antes in the pot. There's very little I should be folding for that price.

I stand corrected. It was an unfortunate flop alright.

delanec8

I agree with your call. On the flop i would put out a feeler bet of about 30000 to see where i was. If re-raised all in i fold and still have 70+K and am still in the running. I think that is your only play unless you have a good read on the player and know how he plays

NickyOD

delanec8 wrote:

I agree with your call. On the flop i would put out a feeler bet of about 30000 to see where i was. If re-raised all in i fold and still have 70+K and am still in the running. I think that is your only play unless you have a good read on the player and know how he plays

I don't really like a feeler bet on this flop leaving me with just 6BBs. I figured his most likely holding was JT/JQ. Both of which he will push with if I appear weak. It also makes the pot over 90K and for that price I'm not really holding hand I can fold if he does push. He actually took a whole 30 seconds to call which really surprised me. Was certain I was ahead once he took more than 5 seconds to think about it.

Hectorjelly

I much prefer a check raise all in on the flop because he isnt folding a 9/overpair
so you need to worry about extracting chips when your ahead. The fact that you have a king means you should worry less about overcards hitting as you have any King hand reverse dominated.

Also I think you should definitely consider pushing preflop, you have a decent hand and it rids your self of your positional disadvantage.

NickyOD

Hectorjelly wrote:

Also I think you should definitely consider pushing preflop, you have a decent hand and it rids your self of your positional disadvantage.

That was the real mistake here. Should have gone with the read and pushed preflop.