Knights Templar

ro1798

can anyone tell me about in laymans terms the knights teplar


thanks

ronan

karlh

an order of Christian knights charged with protecting the church and as legend would have it, The Holy Grail and The Ark of The Covenant (from Indiana Jones).

they got into banking, owned Cyprus for a while and were then hunted down as heretics and a lot of them killed.

lots of conspiracy theories say that secrets have been passed down to the order today.

Simon Templar, The Saint from the tv series took his name from them and the show had undertones relating them.

although i haven't read it i'm sure The DaVinci Code is full of shít about them.

ro1798

are they still going like the origional form of it not some weird sect?
was it based on racism?


ronan

landser

ro1798 wrote:

are they still going like the origional form of it not some weird sect?
was it based on racism?


ronan

they became too rich and too powerful in their stronghold in the Languedoc region of France, and were extermintaed by the King of France at the time, with help from the established church. the reason given for their liquidation was heresy, but it was politics, and more importantly, money that lead to their ultimate demise.

Racism didn't exist at that time in the sense that we would understand it today. Non-whites were savages and turks were heathens, so i don't what you're on about there

they no longer exist

karlh

well it was based on sectarianism since they wanted to spread Christianity by chopping people's heads off, but not racism. if you were black and into the Jesus thing i'm sure they'd let you live.

they are still around today, more like a boys club like the masons. religions get so twisted over time that i'm sure they have some fúcked up rituals but they aren't running the world or plotting our downfall.

sure they smoke the best cigars though!

karlh

landser wrote:

they no longer exist

don't they still exist like the knights of columbanus (sp?) and the other blazer wearing, crazy-hand-shaking types!?

ro1798

was that film kingdom anything to do it? suppose it was, the crusades and such. just interesting stuff really. is that why the muslems have a hated for the west>?


ronan

karlh

<can of worms>

landser

karlh wrote:

don't they still exist like the knights of columbanus (sp?) and the other blazer wearing, crazy-hand-shaking types!?

there were many organisations such as the knights templar in the dark and middle ages. they all had a similar central philosophy, very simply, the promotion and protection of christ and christian values. each operated on a variation of the theme. the knights of saint columbanus were founded in the early 20th century and was set up to convert and educate. the use of the term Knights is anachronistic and used to evoke the idea of the christian soldier, imo, rather than trying to claim a lineal descent from the crusading knights of a millenium earlier.

they're not linked

i'm not a member either, in case it sound like i am

landser

ro1798 wrote:

was that film kingdom anything to do it? suppose it was, the crusades and such. just interesting stuff really. is that why the muslems have a hated for the west>?


ronan

read some books, there are thousands on the subject. don't let films educate you on history

ro1798

not a member sounds like they are still in operation.....so basically they were teaching about Christ through violence, sounds very familar.

ronan

landser

ro1798 wrote:

not a member sounds like they are still in operation.....so basically they were teaching about Christ through violence, sounds very familar.

ronan

ro1798

film open eyes to things you know little about maybe? books fill in the gaps, i dont want to really intense history book, will have to look it up a bit further me thinks.

ro1798

just find it very interested that a load of christians went to town on the east to spread the word of jesus, as an athiest i think it would be worth getting some insight into this.

ronan

karlh

the internet is quite good for this type of thing too.

ro1798

was that bloke in the indiana jones film who was minding the cup belonging to jesus a knight of templar?

ronan

landser

ro1798 wrote:

just find it very interested that a load of christians went to town on the east to spread the word of jesus, as an athiest i think it would be worth getting some insight into this.

ronan

exactly, read a book, google the matter, but don't come up with a 2cent theory based on one hollywood action and adventure film that you've seen, (which was also piss poor btw).

Beruthiel

The knights were allegedly set up to protect the temple of Solomon, they did this for years with the ok from the pope, they excavated the temple for years.
Allegedly they found something (one rumour being the writings of jesus which the pope did not want revealed).
Somehow along the way the knights became very rich due to possessing whatever they found.
They became so powerful that the pope decided it was time to get rid of them, in one fell swoop, worthy of any SAS operation, on Friday the 13th (forever an unlucky day since then).
That was the end of them, though some say that perhaps they infiltrated the ranks of the Free Masons at that time……
that's just one story of course...

/edit
two books I thourghly enjoyed reading:

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=BOOK&title=421734&p=91&g=148&pa=sr

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=BOOK&title=304419&p=91&g=148&pa=sr

ro1798

excuse me...... i asked a simple question, this always happens on boards people who know a fraction more on a subject thinking they have a right to belittle some ones questions on a topic they know little about but wanted to start a discussion on, i will know better in the future.

and for the internet as a non biased intormation tool dont think so, if i was to belive what one website has to offer the knights and the kkk are basically the same, so thanks for your help you have been great.

ronan

ro1798

thanks Beruthiel that is the kind of stuff i was after not some eliteist post on how not to think for yourself

ronan

Sapien

ro1798 wrote:

not a member sounds like they are still in operation.....so basically they were teaching about Christ through violence, sounds very familar.

ronan

What makes you think the Templars are still about?

karlh

Sapien wrote:

What makes you think the Templars are still about?

http://www.templarhistory.com/masonic.html

not in their previous form, as i said, just handshakes and brandy.

GreenHell

Play broken arrow 1, its a history of the knights templer in adventure game form. You'd probably pick it up for a fiver in some bargain bin somewhere.

karlh

i wonder what leisure suit larry says about me :eek:

Sapien

karlh wrote:

http://www.templarhistory.com/masonic.html

not in their previous form, as i said, just handshakes and brandy.

The histories of groups like the Masons are tricky things. Invariably, there are always three versions.

First, the internal, legendary history, with a mythical founder and the magic(k)al events that surround the inception of the group - such as the exploits of Christian Rosenkreutz for the Rosicrucians, and the ressurection of Hiram the architect for the Freemasons.

There is then another, factual history, compiled by secular historians, concerning the established and documented facts, and known to the groups, but effectively ignored in favour of the myth. This is not so much a denial of reality as it is a form of enshrining certain spiritual ideals in the form of historical record - to place important principles at the basis of the organisation through an artificial memory. The groups do not so much believe these alternative histories to be true, as behave as though they were.

Any connections to the Templars (such as the appearance of names of such Templar leaders as Jacques DeMolai in the titles of upper Masonic ranks), most likely fit into the first kind of history - the mythical one.

Unless, of course, it falls into the third.

Manach

Slightly off-topic: but I was always more partial to the other branch of Christian Knights myself, the Hospitallers .
They have been described as "Pirate-Monks" at one stage of their history, but are around nowadays as the "Knights of Malta".
Their high point was the defense of Malta in 1565 against the Ottoman Empire, I remember reading Erne Brandford's account in "The Great Siege".

leftofcentre

There is loads about them on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templars

While the Da Vinci code may take certain historical liberties, its a good read. If you are in to this stuff you should read it.

Panserborn

Beruthiel wrote:

two books I thourghly enjoyed reading:

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=BOOK&title=421734&p=91&g=148&pa=sr

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=BOOK&title=304419&p=91&g=148&pa=sr

Just reading the Hiram Key now as well. Interesting (if somewhat heavy bedtime reading) stuff. Out of interest, is all the info the authors uncovered being taken seriously by historians, is it being passed over or is it being investigated to confirm?

Altheus

GreenHell wrote:

Play broken arrow 1, its a history of the knights templer in adventure game form. You'd probably pick it up for a fiver in some bargain bin somewhere.

Broken Sword: Shadow of the Templars is what you mean. Again, like Dan Brown, is more Indiana Jones than any insight on reality.

templer6

sorry to disprove all your theory but only 700 out of the 3000 or so templers in france were executed. in nova scotia in canada they found a round templer supposedly built by the templers after there navy set sail from france. also some templers founded modren day switzerland after saving them in battle against the holy roman empire,:)

tommy2bad

AFAIK Templars were founded to protect pilgrims from bandits. They were an order of monks.
the Hospitallers were founded to tend to the wounded during the crusades.
Some nice info here;
http://homepage.eircom.net/~seanjmurphy/irhismys/templars.htm

Broken Sword: Shadow of the Templars is what you mean.

Ah memories of a wasted youth

Plowman

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