IRL: 1X11 - "All The Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" [**SPOILERS WITHIN**]

Basq

WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "ALL THE BEST COWBOYS HAVE DADDY ISSUES"

Episode Title: "All The Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues"
Airdate: July 25th 2005

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Survivors wonder why Charlie and Claire have been abducted - and by whom - and a search party ventures into the treacherous jungle to look for the pair. Suspicions focus on Ethan Rom (guest-star William Mapother), who, it was recently discovered, was not a passenger on the doomed flight. Jack battles inner demons relating to his father, while Boone and Locke discover another island mystery.

Next New Episode: 1X12 - "Whatever the Case May Be" - 1st August 2005

Basq

Good

Yep... i love this episode! Fantastic from start to finish...

Enjoy - will talk more about it after airing!

steveland?

Good

Definite high point of the series... I shall refrain from further comment until it's aired

Mr E

Good episode, but I always HATED that title (All the best cowboys have daddy issues).

tvnutz

Good

Brilliant ep,but TmB,I thought it was a brilliant title! lol Jack is such a cowboy,or he tries to be anyway...and he has daddy issues! aww! :rolleyes: lol

steveland?

Good

Tbh while watching it now I'm finding the Jack flashback pretty boring... as Jack flashbacks tend to be...

Still... it's worth it for

when Jack finds Charlie

(spoiler tags in case anyone's looking here while the ad breaks are on)
Nearly shat meself first time I saw it...

herobear

Average

steveland? wrote:

Tbh while watching it now I'm finding the Jack flashback pretty boring... as Jack flashbacks tend to be...

Still... it's worth it for

when Jack finds Charlie

(spoiler tags in case anyone's looking here while the ad breaks are on)
Nearly shat meself first time I saw it...

yeah jack's flashbacks are terribly boring!

but yeah, otherwise great episode, the ferocity of the scene you mention a definite season highlight.

other awesome bits:
walt & hurley banter during the boardgame,
walt & sawyer talking about claire.
sawyer's showdown with sayid.
and the ending

and this episode was a turning point for me in the season, in which im actually starting to like Boone, Gods friggin gift to humanity!
which is surprising to say the least

OFDM

Average

Good episode. Will have to watch it again on Friday because I was being distracted throughout.

I'm starting to think Sayid and Sawyer could become allies.

First episode where are character gets a second set of flashbacks, even though there's other characters who haven't had any yet.

Is Walt some sort of backgammon prodigy?

Charlie's tree antics make you wonder whether Jack actually did see Ethan or not.

What mysterious structure have Boone and Locke found?

And Kate turns out to be a bit of a Lois Lane.

nachos

herobear wrote:

and this episode was a turning point for me in the season, in which im actually starting to like Boone, Gods friggin gift to humanity!
which is surprising to say the least

did anyone notice that when Locke asked Boone what he did in the real world, he replied that

he runs a marriage business that his ma owns. However, in the very first episode (Pilot) he says to Jack on the beach with the plane wreckage that he's a lifeguard (tracheometry with a pen anyone?). don't know if this is significant or whether he just works as lifeguard part-time

though it certainly adds to the uncertainty and conspiracy theories that are flying about at the moment!

Dades

Poor

A bit disappointed in last night ep TBH.
To much of everybody just milling around in the jungle.

I think Walt being "lucky" will prove to something very important though.
And of course I'm curious to see what Locke and Boone found...
First plane crash??

dudara

Was Hurley's comment concerning the tournament, when playing backgammon with Walt, important?

Definitely a very interesting episode. The questions and theories are really flying about right now

soma

Poor

hmmm.. I very strongly disliked (i.e. hated!) they way charlie was cut down from the tree and then turned out to be fine. :mad:

Im sorry but that smacked of the 'after school special' to me, completely unrealistic. If you are hung you can suffer a wealth of injuries from a broken neck to brain damage due to the brain not getting any oxygen. utter crap.

How long was he up there..? :rolleyes: It would have been (possibly) believable had they turned the corner to see him being hung and e.g. ethan running off and then got him down within a minute.

plus then the whole 'i dont remember/didnt see anything..' - extremely cliched.

Enjoyed other parts of the EP, yeah the kid saying he was 'lucky' (and I think the dice gave him exactly what he needed on a few occasions) will no doubt have some part to play.

I think it's also hinted at that the baldy guy (new to this, so names elude me) is much happier with his life on the island than before it, i.e. on the island he has respect & is important/needed - whereas (if it was the truth ) working for a company that makes boxes (was that a simpsons reference to milhouse's dad..? *lol*) is alot less taxing.

Ri_Nollaig

Poor

soma wrote:

working for a company that makes boxes (was that a simpsons reference to milhouse's dad..?

i though milhouse's dad worked in a cracker factory? and they just went to a box factory in 1 esp
i liked this esp but the previously one was better hopfuly wat they found at the end will make the next one more exciting

tvnutz

Good

soma wrote:

hmmm.. I very strongly disliked (i.e. hated!) they way charlie was cut down from the tree and then turned out to be fine. :mad:

Im sorry but that smacked of the 'after school special' to me, completely unrealistic. If you are hung you can suffer a wealth of injuries from a broken neck to brain damage due to the brain not getting any oxygen. utter crap.

By now you should know there is a reason for eveything on this island...why did they survive the crash in the first place,when they shouldn't have at all??

steveland?

Good

tvnutz wrote:

By now you should know there is a reason for eveything on this island...why did they survive the crash in the first place,when they shouldn't have at all??

I was just about to point this out... if they could survive a massive plane crash why couldn't the island allow Charlie to be ok...

It's obvious by this point there's something funky about the island...

Sherifu

Good

So the island is alive and/or has magical power?
If this is the case i'll stop watching now.

OFDM

Average

soma wrote:

I think it's also hinted at that the baldy guy (new to this, so names elude me) is much happier with his life on the island than before it

How many episodes have you seen exactly?

OFDM

Average

nachos wrote:

did anyone notice that when Locke asked Boone what he did in the real world, he replied that

he runs a marriage business that his ma owns. However, in the very first episode (Pilot) he says to Jack on the beach with the plane wreckage that he's a lifeguard (tracheometry with a pen anyone?). don't know if this is significant or whether he just works as lifeguard part-time

though it certainly adds to the uncertainty and conspiracy theories that are flying about at the moment!

Good point. I think there's more up with Boone and his sister than appears on the surface.

soma

Poor

OFDM wrote:

How many episodes have you seen exactly?

eh - the last four I believe. will catch the earlier ones on C4 I guess.

Elmo

Poor

I think Jack's flashback's disappoint me. Also I think this episode had an excellent episode to follow.

Your man should have died. IMO. (Not good with names)

By now you should know there is a reason for eveything on this island...why did they survive the crash in the first place,when they shouldn't have at all??

Prehaps their Dead. This theory is still holding true.

tvnutz

Good

rkm wrote:

So the island is alive and/or has magical power?
If this is the case i'll stop watching now.

People like you amaze me...lol! Have you not been watching??? Locke being able to walk?? hello!!?? :rolleyes:

tvnutz

Good

steveland? wrote:

I was just about to point this out... if they could survive a massive plane crash why couldn't the island allow Charlie to be ok...

It's obvious by this point there's something funky about the island...

Ye..I actually think it was more for Jack than Charlie...he says "I wont let him do this...not again..." And then Jack says "No",and continues to punch his chest.

tvnutz

Good

Elmo wrote:

Your man should have died. IMO. (Not good with names)

Charlie is too good of a character to die.

and it also appears what I said last week was true. That member "L5" once again voted the episode being poor,without commenting. It seems to be he is a troll who doesnt even watch the show,just votes poor.

steveland?

Good

Elmo wrote:

Prehaps their Dead. This theory is still holding true.

JJ Abrims has confirmed that the purgatory (them all being dead) theory isn't true...

Apparently the whole thing will have a believable reveal, but with some supernatural elements

Sherifu

Good

tvnutz wrote:

People like you amaze me...lol! Have you not been watching??? Locke being able to walk?? hello!!?? :rolleyes:

I know in his backstory he was in a wheelchair.
I thought he got a prosthetic leg?...lol!

tvnutz

Good

what??? LOL! He still has his legs,he was just paralysed...the island gave him back the ability to walk...or so Locke believes anyway.

horseflesh

OFDM (or anyone else)
Could you elaborate on these 3 points.....
Charlie's tree antics make you wonder whether Jack actually did see Ethan or not.

What mysterious structure have Boone and Locke found?

And Kate turns out to be a bit of a Lois Lane.


I was dozing off towards the end (I know, shame on me, but it's no reflection on Lost)

tvnutz

Good

Umm...Im not sure whta he means about Jack maybe not seeing Ethan,he did,and Ethan kicked the crap out of him.

Kate has tracking skills as well.


At the end,Locke and Boone found a metal structure buried in the ground.

Of course you could just watch the repeat,Friday 7pm on RTE 2

horseflesh

tvnutz wrote:

Umm...Im not sure whta he means about Jack maybe not seeing Ethan,he did,and Ethan kicked the crap out of him.

Kate has tracking skills as well.


At the end,Locke and Boone found a metal structure buried in the ground.

Of course you could just watch the repeat,Friday 7pm on RTE 2

Yeah, I saw Jack getting battered, so I don't really know either what he meant by Jack not seeing Ethan.
I saw Kate's tracking skills.
And I do vagualy remember Locke & Boone finding something and starting to dig it up. Did you see what it was last night? Or was that the cliffhanger?

tvnutz

Good

It was a cliff hanger...you just find out it is solid,metal and not a piece of the plane wreckage.

you also get the feeling they didnt find it by accident. Just before they found it Locke said "Don't you feel it". Boone said "Feel what?" Locke: "It". So it appears Locke was being drawn to it.

horseflesh

Anyone else suspicious about Locke?
Or is that what we're meant to think?

herobear

Average

tvnutz wrote:

you also get the feeling they didnt find it by accident. Just before they found it Locke said "Don't you feel it". Boone said "Feel what?" Locke: "It". So it appears Locke was being drawn to it.

Wooah....
i so didnt catch that, that makes alot more sense for what comes later

horseflesh - suspicious how ?
tbh all the characters have their own agenda, just right now Locke's tends to be clashing more with the majority of the survivors

horseflesh

herobear wrote:

horseflesh - suspicious how ?

I don't know, I said the same thing to Mrs Horseflesh last night, but I can't put my finger on it. There's just something about him. He just seemed a bit "funny" last night.

Or maybe he's just been "touched" by the island......

Chittle

Terrible!

I voted this episode poor, it's the first one I've watched that I felt like channel-hopping during. I thought there was just too much arsing around in the jungle, and (seemingly) needless scenes between Said/Sawyer and the father(Michael?)/Locke.

Thought the scene where Charlie was found was brilliant, but it turned into a pile of arse when he got resuscitated. I don't think the island has magical healing powers though, seeing as the cop who was after Kate died.

Jack's background story was dull, even though it did let us see more about his relationship between him and his father. I guess that after Jack admitted that his auld lad was drunk when operating, he (the father) got struck-off, and then went off to Australia and ended up dying. I remember Jack's mother kind of blaming him for what happened.

I thought Jack's line "I won't let him do this again...not again" was in reference to his father killing the mother and her unborn child and what was now happening with Claire. Maybe he thinks it's his father getting payback on him?

Lastly, I was suprised that Kate didn't see Ethan when he was attacking Jack. I didn't think he had fallen too far down the hill.

[God, I've never wrote a post this long about the other episodes, maybe the "poor" vote was a bit harsh.]

ScruffySlayer

Good stuf in this ep, great cliffhanger, lots of Locke whos' my fave and Ethan is suitably creepy but why didn't they show more of Charlie and Claire? It just reeked of "Lets draw this out" to me. And the Jack stuff was dull dull dull.
Geeky question: Is the guy who plays Ethan the same Kevin Durand who played Joshua in the second season of Dark Angel? just wondering.

OFDM

Average

horseflesh wrote:

OFDM (or anyone else)
Could you elaborate on these 3 points.....
Charlie's tree antics make you wonder whether Jack actually did see Ethan or not.

What mysterious structure have Boone and Locke found?

And Kate turns out to be a bit of a Lois Lane.


I was dozing off towards the end (I know, shame on me, but it's no reflection on Lost)

Looks like I was being toi subtle.

1) Kate didn't see Ethan at all so maybe Jack was "hallucinating" Ethan like he did his father in about the 3rd episode. So Ethan saying to jack "if you keep following me I'll kill one of them" means Jack either a) hallucinated Ethan but it served as a premanition of Charlie's hanging or b) Jack actually did see Ethan and Charlie hanging was comfirmation of this.

2) I get the feeling the steel on the ground may be hiding something underneath, like a tunnel system.

3) Lois Lane's father was a general. Kate's father was also some sort of army dude (a general also? I can't remember from the episode).

Roll on Friday so I can focus on the episode properly.

OFDM

Average

ScruffySlayer wrote:

Geeky question: Is the guy who plays Ethan the same Kevin Durand who played Joshua in the second season of Dark Angel? just wondering.

Ethan isn't played by Kevin Durand, he's played by William Mapother, Tom (Mapother) Cruise's 1st cousin.

steveland?

Good

Chittle wrote:

Thought the scene where Charlie was found was brilliant, but it turned into a pile of arse when he got resuscitated. I don't think the island has magical healing powers though, seeing as the cop who was after Kate died.

Actually until your post I hadn't really thought of this angle... the cop probably died because he would have been a hinderance to Kate on the island...

Either that or the island had intended on him getting better but Sawyer shooting him messed everything up and it couldn't save him but the theory that he died to let Kate go free sounds a little more plausible

Chittle

Terrible!

I dunno, if the island "decided" to let him die for a greater good (to free Kate as you said), then why would he have survived the crash in the first place?

I'm not sure how important Claire's baby is, but if it was something like what was being said in the thread about the previous episode (that he/she is the anti-christ or messiah or something), and that the island was "calling" him/her to it, then I guess the island wouldn't have let any bad guys similar to Ethan survive the plane crash.

But then we've seen some survivors threatening the baby's life (the Korean guy offering her sushi, the hiding of the water).

So maybe the survivors are a mix of good & evil, fighting over the future of the baby. Damn, Ethan could be a good guy!

[I'd be kinda bummed now if the baby wasn't a big part of the storyline ]

joejoem

Good

I thought this was a fantastic episode, the best to date actually, had me on the edge of my seat. Especially the jungle coming alive bits.... Aghhh Roll on Monday!

Dellgirl

Apparsupernatently the whole thing will have a believable reveal, but with some ural elements

So room to infinity to do what ever he wants really.

Especially the jungle coming alive bits.... Aghhh Roll on Monday!

What the hell|?? I didn't catch that> When did that happen?

I agree that jacks story is boring so far....the Da will go off and mow someone down in a drunken stupor and leggit after in case hes arrested....or something like that I betcha.

Maybe the island is haunted by the ghosts of the other crashers who were killed by la loony in the woods.

The island is the most interesting character of all. its moody and occassionaly crankyand kills people - then moves on to calm and peaceful when basking in the sun. Its a bit of a bully i think.

tvnutz

Good

Chittle wrote:

I dunno, if the island "decided" to let him die for a greater good (to free Kate as you said), then why would he have survived the crash in the first place?

I'm not sure how important Claire's baby is, but if it was something like what was being said in the thread about the previous episode (that he/she is the anti-christ or messiah or something), and that the island was "calling" him/her to it, then I guess the island wouldn't have let any bad guys similar to Ethan survive the plane crash.

But then we've seen some survivors threatening the baby's life (the Korean guy offering her sushi, the hiding of the water).

So maybe the survivors are a mix of good & evil, fighting over the future of the baby. Damn, Ethan could be a good guy!

[I'd be kinda bummed now if the baby wasn't a big part of the storyline ]

the marshall only survived for a short time,he had a mortal injury...whereas the people that were supposed to survive only had tiny cuts etc. Ethan was already on the island...he didnt survive the crash. and the island has not been defined...there are many theories....they only survived to be punished,the island is good or bad, we just dont know yet!

tvnutz

Good

herobear wrote:

Wooah....
i so didnt catch that, that makes alot more sense for what comes later

horseflesh - suspicious how ?
tbh all the characters have their own agenda, just right now Locke's tends to be clashing more with the majority of the survivors

ye...i didnt remember it until I saw it again on RTE,thats one of the benifets of watching it again on RTE,you see things you may have missed.

soma

Poor

OFDM wrote:

2) I get the feeling the steel on the ground may be hiding something underneath, like a tunnel system.

Actually. I'm surprised you're only the first person to posit that theory. When I watched it I actually assumed it was a tunnel (could be wrong of course). What made me think was that it was a long body of metal which baldy (locke?) was tapping until a certain part of it made a more hollow sound than the rest (i.e. an entrance).

Dellgirl

I thought maybe it might be a prison that the last lot used when members of the last batch went mad.

OFDM

Average

What did Hurley mean by him being considered a bit of a warrior back home?
What was the meeting he was going to after the backgammon (if any)?
Why didn't Kate hear Claire's screams but Jack did?
What's the significance of Jack's father patting him and the dead woman's husband on shoulder?

OFDM

Average

Another thing I thought of, where did Locke get his uncanny weather prediction skills? Haven't seen something like that since Back To The Future 2.

Maybe the hidden power source is a flux capacitor?

EamonnKeane

Did no-one notice that Charlie leaving a trail of plasters when captured by Ethan is pretty much the same thing Merry (played by the same actor, Dominic Monaghan) does in the Lord of the Rings, dropping his brooch when captured by Uruk-hai so Aragorn can find it? Also, there better be more to him coming back to life than Jack's excellent chest-punching skills.

OFDM

Average

EamonnKeane wrote:

Did no-one notice that Charlie leaving a trail of plasters when captured by Ethan is pretty much the same thing Merry (played by the same actor, Dominic Monaghan) does in the Lord of the Rings, dropping his brooch when captured by Uruk-hai so Aragorn can find it?

Good point, maybe it's a nod to the LOTR fans.