PPARS Another Messed up Public Sector Project

cousin_borat

I was wondering about whether the Human Resource Information System of the Irish Health Service, PPARS (Personnel, Payroll and Related Systems) was designed by Accenture Consultants.

Considering it is an SAP system and Accenture have been involved in Revenue, Pulse Garda system among other public IT fiascos it would not seem too unlikely.

Heres the news story:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0721/health.html

hussey

120million to install a payroll system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RainyDay

In all fairness, you shouldn't be slagging off Accenture unless you know that they had some role on that particular project. Do your homework first.

De Rebel

cousin_borat wrote:

I was wondering about whether the Human Resource Information System of the Irish Health Service, PPARS (Personnel, Payroll and Related Systems) was designed by Accenture Consultants.

Nope, not Accenture. This time it was a different bunch of overcharging underperforming consultants. In this document, the Minister "responsible" for the project (one Timothy O'Mally esq. of the PD persuasion, sometime Minister of State at the Department of Health and Children) "also commended the input and expertise of the external strategic partners in the programme, Deloitte, IBM and SAP."

Wonder if the bold Mary H gave O'Malley a belt of her handbag or a clip of her tongue for fostering this mess.

The imagination boggles - 12,000,000,000 cent (thats 12 billion cent) spent on this project so far. Andthats not including the inevitable "remediation" phase. Wonder if that figure includes the €1m pay check as part of the pilot testing expenditure.

The frigging thing even has its own website www.ppars.ie - must be a world first, a website dedicated to a payroll implementation project.

cousin_borat

RainyDay
Notice the title is followed by ????
The point of the message is to find out IF they were involved, sheesh.


The body text begins with "I was wondering"

As for Pulse and Revenue projects, It is irrefutable that Accenture consultants were involved with those. As well as the Tesco Y2k project that was very nearly a disaster.

I not slagging off Accenture, merely posing a valid question seeing they have worked closely with public sector bodies in the past. Slagging is not necessary, inspection of Accentures previous track record in Public projects suffices. Some of my friends have joined them based on their reputation of being a top Graduate Employer (Times Top 100 Graduate Employers). Different story when you're in there.

cousin_borat

De_Rebel. The website is hilarious, definately a worlds first!!

As for Deloitte, in fairness I'm working with two of their consultants on an large Oracle Migration project along with technical TCS team. One is Oracle Financials Functional and the other is a migration specialist. They definately know their stuff.

That being said the majority of consulting services are vastly overcharged for what you get.

0utshined

Ugghh,

Whatever the money went on it definitely wasn't the website.

The Corinthian

cousin_borat wrote:

RainyDay
Notice the title is followed by ????
The point of the message is to find out IF they were involved, sheesh.


The body text begins with "I was wondering"

Poor defence as there was a clear implication there. It would be like saying “I wonder if the Pope is a paedophile?” - the accusation is implicit in the question. In short, you would successfully be sued for libel for such a statement.

cousin_borat

The Corinthian
Are you interested in discussing the Semantics of my post or legal terms. Either way if you have nothing to add to the discussion kindly shove off. Mod or no Mod

"If you're not part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem." - Despair.com poster on Consulting

your own quote mate

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I am genuinely angry at the amount of money shelled out in consultancy for these projects and I defy anybody to convince me that the previous projects accenture have been involved in are value for money and are efficient.

IMHO when Consultancy firms are employed by Private Firms they are held to much tighter account but when it comes to the Public Sector they get away with exhorbitant fees and there are less quality control measures put in place by Department Heads employing them.

The Corinthian

cousin_borat wrote:

Are you interested in discussing the Semantics of my post or legal terms. Either way if you have nothing to add to the discussion kindly shove off. Mod or no Mod

If you lack the wit or knowledge to post something without defaming an individual or company, and so doing so legally exposing Boards Ltd and spreading disinformation to begin with, I suggest you do likewise.

Additionally, you appear to be continuing to concentrate your attacks on Accenture, even though its been pointed out that Accenture was not involved in the Irish Health Service payroll system.

For the record, I’ve no connection whatsoever with Accenture, but apparently you seem to have a strong enough one to fuel some form of gripe against them.

cousin_borat

Title changed

cousin_borat

I have no gripe with Accenture or even applied to work for them and got rejected.

The Corinthian
You are very welcome to post a constructive comment on what I'm trying to discuss here. Otherwise put your own knowledge and wit to use somewhere else

RainyDay

cousin_borat wrote:

RainyDay
Notice the title is followed by ????
The point of the message is to find out IF they were involved, sheesh.


The body text begins with "I was wondering"

As for Pulse and Revenue projects, It is irrefutable that Accenture consultants were involved with those. As well as the Tesco Y2k project that was very nearly a disaster.

I not slagging off Accenture, merely posing a valid question seeing they have worked closely with public sector bodies in the past. Slagging is not necessary, inspection of Accentures previous track record in Public projects suffices.

I'm with Corinthian here. It's not unreasonable to expect you to spend 5 minutes Googling/reading before attempting a naming/shaming exercise like that. To link a company incorrectly like this (while veiled behind an anonymous username) is verging on libellous, and could put boards.ie at risk. Do some research next time.

And do specifically tell us why Accenture were at fault at Tesco's Y2k, and Pulse, and Revenue projects.

Victor

RainyDay wrote:

And do specifically tell us why Accenture were at fault at ... and Pulse, .... projects.

Late, over budget, poor user training .... but it has some nice features.

cousin_borat

RainyDay, Heaven forbid making you practice what you preach so here's a google on pulse
From March 2005
http://www.eecho.ie/news/bstory.asp?j=185095150&p=y85x96yxx&n=185096137

The Tesco project is common knowledge in IT circles and my main gripe with the Revenue is the amount of money that has been paid out for consultancy services.

Mod, it might be a good idea to close this thread..

RainyDay

cousin_borat wrote:

RainyDay, Heaven forbid making you practice what you preach so here's a google on pulse
From March 2005
http://www.eecho.ie/news/bstory.asp?j=185095150&p=y85x96yxx&n=185096137

I don't see anything in that article that allocates blame to Accenture. How do you know they were at fault? You really can't go round making broad statements about a commercial organisation like that without having something to back it up.

cousin_borat wrote:

The Tesco project is common knowledge in IT circles

That's strange - I've worked in the IT business in Dublin for the last 25 years and I've never heard a dicky-bird about Accenture's role in Tesco's Y2k project. I worked as a competitor to Andersen Consulting (Accenture's old name), as IT manager for a supplier to Tesco who provided information into Tesco's broad Y2k project, and as an Accenture client - but I've never heard a mention of this project. So please do enlighten us as to where Accenture was at fault on this one.

cousin_borat wrote:

my main gripe with the Revenue is the amount of money that has been paid out for consultancy services.

The Revenue has built some very sophisticated IT systems in recent years, particularly those that help them to track fraudsters. Perhaps all this consultancy was money well spent? Note that I don't have any detailed information, so I don't really know whether there was value for money or not - so I wouldn't go round making public claims about this. So why do you slag off Accenture for this? They provided at a service at a quoted price. No one was forced to use Accenture. It's not their fault if too much money was paid out.

cousin_borat wrote:

Mod, it might be a good idea to close this thread..

You really should back or withdraw your allegations before the thread is closed.