Manipulative teammate

vorbis

Bit of a strange one this. I work with a girl who for the most part is perfectly sound and grand to get on with. However lately she's been acting a bit, I suppose the word is bitchy. Little things stand out.

For instance, we had agreed on a piece of work as a team. All well and good. Then today after she spent yesterday working on an issue with one of our managers, she sends us an email telling us that the manager had decided to change this. The matter of fact nature of it changing to what she wanted was a bit odd.

In a work review, she started picking holes in one piece of my work. This was a bit annoying as usually you go into reviews and don't bring up issues about other teammates. If the reviewer brings them up then its worth commenting on them.

Yesterday, our project manager asked us for an update on the project. Our project manager really doesn't know his arse from his elbow regards the work so you could say pretty much anything to him. She blithely informs him that another teammate has been having problems with her piece of work. He then starts into the teammate about why she hadn't raised these issues.

In general, my issue with her is that she can be very false at times. Whereas the rest of us might just say that we encountered problems, she spins everything as being progress and that a full resolution is just around the corner. I'm probably bening hyper sensitive. Has anyone else dealt with someone like this? Each issue on its own is inconsequential but cumulatively they are beginning to itch.

Beruthiel

vorbis wrote:

In a work review, she started picking holes in one piece of my work. This was a bit annoying as usually you go into reviews and don't bring up issues about other teammates..

did you politely ask her why she didn't come to you on a one to one basis regarding the problem she had with your work, instead of bringing it up at the review? Are you approachable?
I work with some women who are like that, I can't explain their problem, one up man ship? wanting to look better than everyone else? who knows

shellby

try to explain that her behaviour is effecting you feel about work and is putting her in a bad light if talking to her doesn't work then i'm sure there are other routes to take but you did say she is reasonably sound so maybe you just need to say itto her

WhiteWashMan

you sound threatened by someone who obviously is trying to get ahead and is making themselves sen and heard above everyone else.

youre team mate appears to do all the talking and seems to get involved in everything.

Sleepy

It's fairly standard office politics and unfortunately it's people like this that tend to get ahead in business. They're not trying to do the best job they can, just be seen by management to be doing the best job. At the moment, it sounds like it's working, management probably think the sun shines out of her backside.

Usually these people end up in upper middle management because they're playing the political game correctly instead of just doing a good job like the rest of us. When these people start to make up a major percentage of the upper ranks of a company, you know you have to bail out. It's like you said, your project manager doesn't know his arse from his elbow in regards to the work your team is doing, she'll be the same in a couple of years when she's got his job.

It's one of the most irritating things about the modern working world. Occasionally you'll be lucky to work under a manager who can recognise that someone is just playing politics and you'll be judged by your performance rather than your ability to 'look good'.

Unfortunately, the only advice I can give you is to either fight fire with fire or rise above it. I've always chosen the latter course and it's probably been to the detriment of my career but I'd rather get places on my ability than on bs.

vorbis

i agree about the politics part. regarding the getting ahead part thats true too wwm. The ironic thing is that we'll be changing business units near the end of the year. This will mean a whole new environment with different managers so we won't get promoted in our current roles. (structure of the programme we're on). Just makes the beahviour all the more odd as you can't really "get ahead" at the moment.

WhiteWashMan

Sleepy wrote:

It's fairly standard office politics and unfortunately it's people like this that tend to get ahead in business. They're not trying to do the best job they can, just be seen by management to be doing the best job. At the moment, it sounds like it's working, management probably think the sun shines out of her backside..

i think thats a pretty naive attitude, but also probably a pretty common one.

you cannot say that people who are like this are not doing the best they can. thats rubbish. if someojne stands out from the crowd, then they will be picked up by managment. its as simple as that.
the first rule in any job, is manage your manager. if you dont do that, you will not get anywhere.
if you dont want to get ahead in your career, then sit there and be silent and toodle along with your job. if you wnt to get ahead in life, you have to do more and be more than just good at what you do.

Sleepy wrote:

Usually these people end up in upper middle management because they're playing the political game correctly instead of just doing a good job like the rest of us. When these people start to make up a major percentage of the upper ranks of a company, you know you have to bail out. It's like you said, your project manager doesn't know his arse from his elbow in regards to the work your team is doing, she'll be the same in a couple of years when she's got his job.
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all subjective, all open to different interpretation, and all based on nothing.

Sleepy wrote:

It's one of the most irritating things about the modern working world. Occasionally you'll be lucky to work under a manager who can recognise that someone is just playing politics and you'll be judged by your performance rather than your ability to 'look good'..

no, what you mean to say is that occassionally you get a manager that you get along well with and you can talk openly to and it feels as if they take you on your best assets. however, to someone else, it probably looks like youa re playing politics....
be careful, its a double edged sword.

Sleepy wrote:

Unfortunately, the only advice I can give you is to either fight fire with fire or rise above it. I've always chosen the latter course and it's probably been to the detriment of my career but I'd rather get places on my ability than on bs.

then you probably wont get as far as you could.
its the attitude of a thousand techies out there. all want to be judged on merit, dont want to be taken in by 'corporate bull', and think that doing anything other than the purest of work is 'selling out'.

by the way, if you have problems with someone like this, the best way to stop seething and then feeling like youre abeing looked over because of this person, is to integrate yourself with this person.

i really do not see why people have such a downer on people who try and get ahead. i really do think its a form of envy.

Gross Halfwit

Heres the thing. You are a team player, a people person who values those around her and wants the team to succeed. She is a lone wolf only looking after herself. She will screw over her team mates to make herself look good and downplay her own mistakes to save face and look good. Do not trust her. Do not play her game either. Just do your work but make sure that your boss knows its you doing it. Also band together with your team and make yourselves a strong unit that will stand up against her and back eachother up.

Just my 2 cents on the subject. Ive worked with a few bitches in my time.

Sleepy

WhiteWashMan wrote:

i think thats a pretty naive attitude, but also probably a pretty common one.

Why is it naieve? I don't agree with the principles of promotion based on politics rather than merit (in fact I consider it dishonest) so I don't play the game. I can see that in the business culture in Ireland, this will probably damage my career, but I'd rather keep my principles than have a large pay cheque.

you cannot say that people who are like this are not doing the best they can. thats rubbish. if someojne stands out from the crowd, then they will be picked up by managment. its as simple as that.
the first rule in any job, is manage your manager. if you dont do that, you will not get anywhere.
if you dont want to get ahead in your career, then sit there and be silent and toodle along with your job. if you wnt to get ahead in life, you have to do more and be more than just good at what you do.

If you're spending your time "managing your manager", you're not spending that time doing your job. Simple as that.

all subjective, all open to different interpretation, and all based on nothing.

Did I touch a nerve?

no, what you mean to say is that occassionally you get a manager that you get along well with and you can talk openly to and it feels as if they take you on your best assets. however, to someone else, it probably looks like youa re playing politics....
be careful, its a double edged sword.

No, what I'm saying is that occasionally you get a manager who knows what they're doing and judges staff on their ability and performance more than on their ability to put a good spin on things (or in common parlance bull$hit)

then you probably wont get as far as you could.
its the attitude of a thousand techies out there. all want to be judged on merit, dont want to be taken in by 'corporate bull', and think that doing anything other than the purest of work is 'selling out'.

I wouldn't really classify myself as a techie tbh. I share some of the attitude though, I want success but I'm not prepared to be an asshole to get it. Sure, I might not get as far as I might by playing political games, but I'll get there honestly.

by the way, if you have problems with someone like this, the best way to stop seething and then feeling like youre abeing looked over because of this person, is to integrate yourself with this person.

i really do not see why people have such a downer on people who try and get ahead. i really do think its a form of envy.

Personally I've no problem with someone tryong to get ahead, I do have a problem with the manner in which the OP's colleague is trying to do it. Badmouthing your co-workers and playing manipulative games are not qualities I'd value in an employee.

WhiteWashMan

Sleepy wrote:

If you're spending your time "managing your manager", you're not spending that time doing your job. Simple as that.

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on the contrary, if you are not managing your manager, then you are not doing your job right. but again, i guess it depends if you are a go getter or not.

Sleepy wrote:

Did I touch a nerve?
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no.

Sleepy wrote:

No, what I'm saying is that occasionally you get a manager who knows what they're doing and judges staff on their ability and performance more than on their ability to put a good spin on things (or in common parlance bull$hit)
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so you can do your job but you show no inititive and will to progress. why am i going to promote you again?

oh, im not.

just because you put no importance on these things that you claim you dispise, does not mean they arent important. just becuase you cant see, does not mean they are not there.

Sleepy wrote:

I wouldn't really classify myself as a techie tbh. I share some of the attitude though, I want success but I'm not prepared to be an asshole to get it. Sure, I might not get as far as I might by playing political games, but I'll get there honestly..

so basically anyone who does not share is an asshole?
thats a bit unfair dont you think?

who said anything about politics? im talking about putting yourself about, making a name for yourself, having inititive and getting yourself noticed.

you appear to mix up two very different things.

Sleepy wrote:

Personally I've no problem with someone tryong to get ahead, I do have a problem with the manner in which the OP's colleague is trying to do it. Badmouthing your co-workers and playing manipulative games are not qualities I'd value in an employee.

i dont see any badmouthing.
i see someone giving an opinion when asked, and during a review (just because the OP doesnt give an opinion, doesnt mean that no one can remember)

i dont see any manipulative games either.

im at a loss as to how you can come up with such claims with such a little amount of biased information.

but then again, you are playing to your form. pick a side and stick with it and accept no further interpretation or opinion.

i think you have some tolerance issues tbh.

Sleepy

WhiteWashMan wrote:

on the contrary, if you are not managing your manager, then you are not doing your job right. but again, i guess it depends if you are a go getter or not.

I'd see it that a company hires an employee to perform a task, if someone is spending time trying to impress their boss through other means than doing that task well, they're not doing what they've been hired to do.

so you can do your job but you show no inititive and will to progress. why am i going to promote you again?

I never said anything about not showing initiative or will to progress. I'm referring to the more standard Irish practices of brown-nosing to the boss and spinning events to reflect glory on yourself without ever standing up to take the blame when you're at fault.

just because you put no importance on these things that you claim you dispise, does not mean they arent important. just becuase you cant see, does not mean they are not there.

So enlighten me, what is the importance of playing office politics? How does it benefit the organisation?

so basically anyone who does not share is an asshole?
thats a bit unfair dont you think?

who said anything about politics? im talking about putting yourself about, making a name for yourself, having inititive and getting yourself noticed.

you appear to mix up two very different things.

The OP isn't talking about having initiative, putting oneself about or getting noticed, he's talking about a colleague that's clearly putting her own interests ahead of the project on which they're working (I'm making the natural assumption here that this one girl isn't more intelligent than the rest of the team combined, an assumption I'll grant you, but a fair one imho). That to me, is politics.

but then again, you are playing to your form. pick a side and stick with it and accept no further interpretation or opinion.

i think you have some tolerance issues tbh.

No more so than yourself from what I can see...

LegacyUser

WhiteWashMan wrote:

then you probably wont get as far as you could.
its the attitude of a thousand techies out there. all want to be judged on merit, dont want to be taken in by 'corporate bull', and think that doing anything other than the purest of work is 'selling out'.

I've worked in one or two places, and the ones who "play the game" get promoted, but usually into the business side of things, whereas the techies gain promotion within the tech side of things. Sure, thats limiting themselves, but some don't want to do the business side of things.

=-=

As for the manager thing, sometimes you get a manager who knows what your doing, as he is an ex-techie, who got there by merit, not BS. Then you can do well, and perhaps fill his shoes when he leaves.

WhiteWashMan

Sleepy wrote:

I'd see it that a company hires an employee to perform a task, if someone is spending time trying to impress their boss through other means than doing that task well, they're not doing what they've been hired to do.
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why do you constantly see it as impressing your boss?
thats not what managing your manager is about. its the same as a manager managing their people. its a two way thing. if you dont get it, then you dont get it...

Sleepy wrote:

I never said anything about not showing initiative or will to progress. I'm referring to the more standard Irish practices of brown-nosing to the boss and spinning events to reflect glory on yourself without ever standing up to take the blame when you're at fault.
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now youre talking about something completely different.
there is no evidence of that in the OP's post.

you are simply making up different scenarios to pad out your posts and prove some point or other. im not sure what it is.

Sleepy wrote:

So enlighten me, what is the importance of playing office politics? How does it benefit the organisation?
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again, youre mixing up politics with someone who looks like they are tyring to get ahead.
i see no politics here.

you seem to see schemes and plots where there are none.
youre not a writer or a conspiracy theorist are you?

Sleepy wrote:

The OP isn't talking about having initiative, putting oneself about or getting noticed, he's talking about a colleague that's clearly putting her own interests ahead of the project on which they're working (I'm making the natural assumption here that this one girl isn't more intelligent than the rest of the team combined, an assumption I'll grant you, but a fair one imho). That to me, is politics.
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i see no evidence of someone putting their own interests ahead of a team. i see someone making a contribution. the OP may have a different plant on it, but thats what i see from a limited post.
you have made up your mind though tthat there is some machiaveleon plot here to over throw the company and have everyone bow down to them. quite frankly, i cant figure out how you get to work every day without giving advice and pointing them to the local SIPTU office!

Sleepy wrote:

No more so than yourself from what I can see...

actually, i tend to write what i see writen in plain english, and depending on how biased i think someone is, i judge accordingly. my opinion is no less and no more important than anyone elses, but occasionally i will stir things up by putting in a an opposing argument.

i really dont see any scheme here, all i can see is a girl who puts her neck out.
remember, you can judge someone elses work, but then again, there is also someone who knows better than you and cut your neck off. if shes willing to put out an opinion on something, then fair balls. it doesnt mean she is right or wrong, just that she is giving an opinon.

people often get defensive if they have someone tell them some critical about their work. i would guess that this is what has happened here.

i think achems razor is the phrase that is most useful here. the simplest answer is usually the right one.
why dream up complex stories when in the end the case may be that this girl is simply doing her own thing.

and you know what. if im completely wrong, and this girl is playing office politics, wearing alow cut top, telling tales and bad mouthing other people.... so what?
do you really think that most people are stupid enough to hear a one sided argument.
well ok. maybe im being to generous. there are a thousand of people on these boards that are like that (although at the moment we have contained them in AH thank god. oh the daily battles i have against intolerance on that forum would make you weep with sorry for me), but i will always give the benfit of the doubt in these types of situations.
fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, and all that...

WhiteWashMan

Ocys wrote:

I've worked in one or two places, and the ones who "play the game" get promoted, but usually into the business side of things, whereas the techies gain promotion within the tech side of things. Sure, thats limiting themselves, but some don't want to do the business side of things.
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so you think that anyone in business or management are just there because of politics, and not because they want to be there?

i dont understand what youre saying.

Ocys wrote:

As for the manager thing, sometimes you get a manager who knows what your doing, as he is an ex-techie, who got there by merit, not BS. Then you can do well, and perhaps fill his shoes when he leaves.

there are a lot fo good managers out there who have no technical background.
its not all black and white.

i find it hard to understand the 'technical good, business bad' attitude of many of the people here.

LegacyUser

WhiteWashMan wrote:

so you think that anyone in business or management are just there because of politics, and not because they want to be there?

i dont understand what youre saying.

Sorry about that. I meant that those who try to succeed in the "politics" way, tend to go for a business role, rather than getting onto a more advanced IT role. To, eh, "get outta there as fast as possible", I suppose.

On the other hand, some IT people do transfer to business, but mainly (from what I've seen), they stay in the IT side of things.

WhiteWashMan wrote:

there are a lot fo good managers out there who have no technical background.
its not all black and white.

i find it hard to understand the 'technical good, business bad' attitude of many of the people here.

The 'technical good, business bad' attitude may stem from the way the techies get sacked by the business side of things. Not sure myself, tho.

As for the manager thing, it depends. A good technical manager may not be able to manage the people correctly, and a good people manager may not see that X person is doing a good job, as the people manager has no idea what they're doing.

The manager who has risen through the ranks (as opposed to getting transferred to the position from another job type) usually has good technical skills, and is usally there because they can handle the people side of it also.

Saying that, tho, sometimes the manager getting transferred from another postion, may have some IT skills, and thus be able to have a grasp on the going on's of the IT support role.

In both examples I speak of tech support, as thats where I've seen this happening.

It has happened in the pub industry as well, but they don't get very far, as they get caught out when the manager spots that they've been promoted ahead of "their time".

=-=

Oh and does "regi" here:

That username is already in use. If you are regi and you have forgotten your password, click here.

mean "registered", or is it some kind of joke aimed at regi?

Victor

Ocys wrote:

Oh and does "regi" here: mean "registered", or is it some kind of joke aimed at regi?

I'm not sure, but usernames are (more or less) unique.

Quite a few varients of "regi" "unregi", "unregistered", "unregistered02", etc. must be used at this stage.

Sleepy

WhiteWashMan wrote:

now youre talking about something completely different.
there is no evidence of that in the OP's post.

you are simply making up different scenarios to pad out your posts and prove some point or other. im not sure what it is.

again, youre mixing up politics with someone who looks like they are tyring to get ahead.
i see no politics here.

you seem to see schemes and plots where there are none.
youre not a writer or a conspiracy theorist are you?

i see no evidence of someone putting their own interests ahead of a team. i see someone making a contribution. the OP may have a different plant on it, but thats what i see from a limited post.

Eh, the OP refers to his colleague going to the boss behind the teams back to get her own preferred means of tackling something the team had decided to do differently (this I would see as a sign of a bad worker, if her means of tackling the problem was the best, she should have been able to sell it to the team, instead she gets the boss (who we're told has a limited understanding of the technical aspects of the job) to back up her way of doing this. That, to me at least, is playing politics, making your idea seem best when in all likelihood it isn't. Also see his reference to spinning everything as progress...

I understand that you like playing devil's advocate but you're basing your entire premise of doing so on the OP being biased because this girl criticised his work. I'm just dealing with the information presented by the OP.

you have made up your mind though tthat there is some machiaveleon plot here to over throw the company and have everyone bow down to them. quite frankly, i cant figure out how you get to work every day without giving advice and pointing them to the local SIPTU office!

actually, i tend to write what i see writen in plain english, and depending on how biased i think someone is, i judge accordingly. my opinion is no less and no more important than anyone elses, but occasionally i will stir things up by putting in a an opposing argument.

i really dont see any scheme here, all i can see is a girl who puts her neck out.
remember, you can judge someone elses work, but then again, there is also someone who knows better than you and cut your neck off. if shes willing to put out an opinion on something, then fair balls. it doesnt mean she is right or wrong, just that she is giving an opinon.

people often get defensive if they have someone tell them some critical about their work. i would guess that this is what has happened here.

i think achems razor is the phrase that is most useful here. the simplest answer is usually the right one.
why dream up complex stories when in the end the case may be that this girl is simply doing her own thing.

and you know what. if im completely wrong, and this girl is playing office politics, wearing alow cut top, telling tales and bad mouthing other people.... so what?
do you really think that most people are stupid enough to hear a one sided argument.
well ok. maybe im being to generous. there are a thousand of people on these boards that are like that (although at the moment we have contained them in AH thank god. oh the daily battles i have against intolerance on that forum would make you weep with sorry for me), but i will always give the benfit of the doubt in these types of situations.
fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, and all that...

Fair enough, I probably do tend to side with the OP when the subject matter is something I can relate to. People getting positions through political means rather than ability is a bit of a bugbear of mine (I've worked for too many of them and suffered too many headaches caused by their incompetence) and I do honestly believe that it's something that happens a hell of a lot in Ireland. Maybe that's because I do a lot of work with the public sector where it seems to be particularly prevalent.

I see your point that it takes some level of political plays to get ahead, unfortunately in my experience a lot of the people predisposed to the political side of business (not necessarily technical business) are often those who can't hack it on ability alone and end up promoted beyond their abilities.

nobodythere

Sounds like she's trying to kiss some ass for a promotion or something like that. Some people are scum enough that they'll step on other people to get where they want to be... Forcing themselves up by pushing everyone else down.

cousin_borat

Without singling out particular persons on this discussion this is symptomatic of the mindset of many Irish skilled workers and indicative of the direction the Irish economy is heading.

There's alot of technically gifted people but too few of them are interested in developing their Leadership and Business Skills. They stick their heads in the sand and convince themselves that selling yourself constitutes politiking and brown-nosing. That's why so there's so few Irish Companies on an international footing in IT for example (notwithstanding IONA, et al, and small companies that sell to large corps). Gifted individuals who don't understand the importance of leadership skills.

OP, of course you must have ethics and standards but you must stand out and make a name for yourself.

As for dealing with assholes who try and hog attention and are manipulative, I generally find the best way to deal with them is to give them enough rope to hang themselves. After that you can expose them. I would also recommend that you look at your assertiveness when dealing with colleagues or management in work.

WhiteWashMan

cousin_borat wrote:

Without singling out particular persons on this discussion this is symptomatic of the mindset of many Irish skilled workers and indicative of the direction the Irish economy is heading.

There's alot of technically gifted people but too few of them are interested in developing their Leadership and Business Skills. They stick their heads in the sand and convince themselves that selling yourself constitutes politiking and brown-nosing. That's why so there's so few Irish Companies on an international footing in IT for example (notwithstanding IONA, et al, and small companies that sell to large corps). Gifted individuals who don't understand the importance of leadership skills.

OP, of course you must have ethics and standards but you must stand out and make a name for yourself.

As for dealing with assholes who try and hog attention and are manipulative, I generally find the best way to deal with them is to give them enough rope to hang themselves. After that you can expose them. I would also recommend that you look at your assertiveness when dealing with colleagues or management in work.

so much more elequent than me, but the same message.

you are now hired as my official translator.

that koneko one has been far too lax in translating my ramblings to the massees...

pickarooney

Just as a matter of interest, when people say "blah blah blah, Irish workplace, yadda yadda yadda" is this saying "I can only speak for Ireland because I haven't worked anywhere else" or "This is the case moreso in Ireland than in other countries where I've worked?".

WhiteWashMan

for me personally, i dont think its perticularly an irish thing, i think its just a people thing

sure politics goes on, but i have seen it everywhere ive worked. some more obvious than others.

i do think there is a very irish attitude of begrudging someone who shows more inititive than others, or is seen to do well, or does something that will warrant favouritism.
the irish seem to like to knock someone back when they feel they have overstepped the mark.
although, not anything new to the Sun newspaper or the news of the world here in the Uk tbh.

nobodythere

There's nothing wrong with initiative but it doesn't require stepping on people.

Sleepy

WhiteWashMan, thank you.

Since this thread came up I've been doing a lot of thinking about my own career, particularly with reference to the idea of "manageing your manager" that you set out. I'm just out of a meeting I asked my manager for and I've come out of it with a pay raise and a scheduled promotion where I'll be working a few days a week on the team I want to join in my company with a timeline in place for joining that team.

Without our debate in this thread I don't think I'd have gotten that. You helped me look at certain things from a different light, particularly in the light of selling myself and my abilities a bit more rather than just expecting them to be noticed. I still see playing office politics as something that curtails rather than enhances a business but I'm more open to the idea that getting yourself noticed isn't necessarily a bad thing. So, thanks for that, I owe you a pint at the next Boards Beers.

0utshined

Congrats Sleepy and fair dues for coming back to the thread and saying that.

cousin_borat

I echo those sentiments, fair play to ya Sleepy

WhiteWashMan

Sleepy wrote:

WhiteWashMan, thank you.

Since this thread came up I've been doing a lot of thinking about my own career, particularly with reference to the idea of "manageing your manager" that you set out. I'm just out of a meeting I asked my manager for and I've come out of it with a pay raise and a scheduled promotion where I'll be working a few days a week on the team I want to join in my company with a timeline in place for joining that team.

Without our debate in this thread I don't think I'd have gotten that. You helped me look at certain things from a different light, particularly in the light of selling myself and my abilities a bit more rather than just expecting them to be noticed. I still see playing office politics as something that curtails rather than enhances a business but I'm more open to the idea that getting yourself noticed isn't necessarily a bad thing. So, thanks for that, I owe you a pint at the next Boards Beers.

there is nothing wrong with showing yourself to be ahead of the game. and yes, sometimes that means educating your manager to your abailities, and telling him what he doesnt know. after all, he has more on his plate than just sitting there watching you work all day

im happy for you. i knew you had it in you. all you need is another perspective to look at, and suddenly things that you never noticed or knew about before become obvious. happens to me all the time. im glad you found out that getting ahead does not mean stabbing someone else in the back, but rather promoting and selling yourself.

politics is a very different thing than self promotion and managing managers.

WhiteWashMan

by the way, with a different slant on this topic, do you see what i see in the original post.
im not saying there arent politics at work here, but i think you can clearly regard each situation as someone being eager, or self promoting, and not neccesarily as back stabbing...?

(lets face it, we will never know what it is, i just try to be open to all situations )

koneko

WhiteWashMan wrote:

that koneko one has been far too lax in translating my ramblings to the massees...

ohnoe I'm fired

WhiteWashMan

not fired, just on report....

koneko

I should learn to start managing my manager, I guess.

Sleepy

I can see your angle on it WWM and always did, I would still consider some of the reported behaviour of the workmate in question to be unnecessary politiking. (Going behind the team's back to get her own way etc.)

It was the notion of 'managing one's manager' that caught my attention in your posts and right now, I feel like I'm managing her pretty well!

WhiteWashMan

koneko wrote:

I should learn to start managing my manager, I guess.

never mind your manager....

what about me?