Can this guy see the cards??

jimbling

I can't think of any other reason why this guy plays poker.... he must be able to see the cards coming up :mad:

I had played about 25 hands with him up to this point... and had already been outdrawn by him on another hand... he was winning pots but was a little crazy. in about 55% of pots... and raised about 60% of those.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed)

BB ($29.85)
UTG ($27.35)
MP (Villian) ($90.80)
Hero ($39.95)
Button ($99.42)
SB ($82.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Js, Jc. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, MP (Villian) raises to $2, Hero raises to $5, 3 folds, MP (Villian) calls $3.

Flop: ($10.75) 5h, 6d, 8s (2 players)
Villian checks, Hero bets $9, Villian calls $85.80 (All-In), Hero calls $25.95 (All-In).

Turn: ($131.50) 4c (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($131.50) Ks (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $131.50


Results below:
Villian has 4d 8d (two pair, eights and fours).
Hero has Js Jc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Villian wins $131.50.


is there any other explanation for this kind of muppetry???

Dave

That is fairly shocking alright.

Einstein

maybe he knew that you were a little short stacked and thought he could bully you off?
But he also flopped a straight draw and top pair. Wouldn't that be a decent enough bet to try and take you out? Surely even when the 4 came on the turn, you saw the possibilties for straight draws? Seems to me that you were chasing a set, or maybe hoping to pair the board?
Maybe I'm wrong though?

Culchie

Shocking play, but he thinks you had AK, AQ and missed.

He had top pair, and hit some of the flop with straight possibilities.

Still terrible.

I'd say maybe your previous 'history' might have had something to do with it.
Some bad players take the cards personally and are willing to 'take on' the enemy regardless of cards (or money) ... grudge stuff.

Add him to the buddy list.

Einstein

ok, i'm gonna be a real pain, was this play shocking due to the betting "strategies" that went on?

NickyOD

jimbling wrote:

Iis there any other explanation for this kind of muppetry???

Yes, this is the party network where retards think top pair no kicker is the nuts. I've seen ten times worse on the party .5/1 tables. You didn't reraise enough preflop though. Make it $8 to go, although the outcome may have been the same.

jimbling

Divers wrote:

maybe he knew that you were a little short stacked and thought he could bully you off?
But he also flopped a straight draw and top pair. Wouldn't that be a decent enough bet to try and take you out? Surely even when the 4 came on the turn, you saw the possibilties for straight draws? Seems to me that you were chasing a set, or maybe hoping to pair the board?
Maybe I'm wrong though?

I take your point.. but only on the post-flop play.... as he may have put me on A Q or something......then couldn't let go of it. (even still I think it was awfull play)

BUT... its not like he limped in and got the flop for free.......he raised $2 pre-flop with 8 4s.... and then called my $5 re-raise pre-flop with an 8 4s...

jimbling

Culchie wrote:

Shocking play, but he thinks you had AK, AQ and missed.

He had top pair, and hit some of the flop with straight possibilities.

Still terrible.

I'd say maybe your previous 'history' might have had something to do with it.
Some bad players take the cards personally and are willing to 'take on' the enemy regardless of cards (or money) ... grudge stuff.

Add him to the buddy list.

Well if he was watching my history (but i would doubt it to be honest) then he didnt do a good job... firstly I had been raising about $2 with AK AQ etc.... I was sometimes doing a continuation bet... other times not.. I had not once played a pot-sized bet like that without a decent hand....

he was on the buddy list from the previous hands

Einstein

jimbling wrote:

.......he raised $2 pre-flop with 8 4s.... and then called my $5 re-raise pre-flop with an 8 4s...

ok I think I see why he played his hand wrong, unfortunate mate!!

jimbling

NickyOD wrote:

Yes, this is the party network where retards think top pair no kicker is the nuts. I've seen ten times worse on the party .5/1 tables. You didn't reraise enough preflop though. Make it $8 to go, although the outcome may have been the same.

Nicky.... I have been wondering about that alot lately... how much of a re-raise on hands like this... dont you think $8 would be too much...

I mean realistically I want to keep this guy in.. its down to 1 and im sure I have him beat. Isn't it really that I just don't want to give him the right odds to call? which I believe my re-raise accomplished... maybe $6 would have been better... but $8 seems too much.

In the long run.... which would be the better strategy... scare them out... or make them play the wrong way?

I feel i played the hand correctly... and made him make mistakes... he just got away with it. This wasnt a bad beat story.. just showing a display of bad play.

NickyOD

There is already $3.50 in the pot so no $8 isn't excessive, not for a loose cash game anyway. If you make it $5 to go there will be $8.50 in the pot and only $3 for him to call so he can call with pretty much anything. You also run the risk of weak players also staying in with with hands like ATo or KQo, which you don't want. You want to play this HU and there's no shame in taking the pot down preflop with a big pair. I read a good quote in poker player that "It's better wo wina small pot, than lose a big one"

Most of the players at these tables aren't clever enough to recognise strength so more often than not you wil still get action, but if you don't raise more preflop then the hand is more dificult to play, although like I said in this case he was so bad the outcome would probably have been the same.

Culchie

Yeh, I'd agree with Nicky, no harm in this hand ending pre flop.

Any card flopped above your Jacks (12 of them) puts you in a spot with this guy who could have anything it seems and initiated the raising himself.

jimbling

read that quote the other day as well......thats what got me started on where the line was... between chasing them out of the hand.... and getting them to stay in hands.. but with the wrong odds....
ill take it into consideration the next time im put in a situation like that......