anybody know were to buy an ethernet model adsl "modem"

Gladiator

people keep saying that if eircom release adsl with usb modems then they will just buy a ethernet model, but what will you do if eircom dont provide you will that option,
were will you buy one, ive search and havent found a place to buy and affordable one, (i found a 3com one for 300 sterling)

Ste.phen

Check out news:uk.telecom.broadband for this kinda info, ethernet modems aren't that expensive if you look around, and now that BT changed their T&Cs so you can use your own hardware, they're likely to drop further in price.

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Gladiator

this may sound daft, buy is that a new group,
and the problem is i cant find anywere that sells them so its hard to shop around

sutty

Why did you make a new topic for this when the other one is like 3 below?

second....seeing as DSL isn't out in Ireland yet...there is no maket to buy it on, once it comes out you will see hardware resalers getting some in. Untill then stop going on about this kind of crap. There are also many online store's that I've seen selling them.

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Gladiator

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sutty:
Why did you make a new topic for this when the other one is like 3 below?

second....seeing as DSL isn't out in Ireland yet...there is no maket to buy it on, once it comes out you will see hardware resalers getting some in. Untill then stop going on about this kind of crap. There are also many online store's that I've seen selling them.

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First i wanted to high light the fact i need one,
Secound im getting alot of network gear in mid august and i wanted to buy one then so it would save me shipping and while i had the cash
third i dont see how this is crap as this is the network and communication forum,
and forth everybody, yourself included keep saying they see loads of them in online stores but i havent seen one of you yet with the good grace to post a link to one.
i only need one link, thank you.


and just a note i may or may not buy one in august, ill probably wait to see if i can get one off eircom, but id like to have a reference at to the type of price im likely to pay and were to get up, theres no harm in being well prepared, i cant see why this offended you so much but id be happy to delete once i get waht i need

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sutty

ROFL!!!!

i'd hate to tell you this, but buying stuff from the US will not cost you a grand, try £50

and where else do you think you will get them from? surely not Ireland??

anyway, you asked for prices and there and here they are

http://www.circuitdeal.com/communications-dsl-modems.html


you may also want this one

http://www.73.com/a/0038.shtml

if you look half way down the page you will see an add for nortel 1meg DSL modems


AND DONT BIT THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU FOOL

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[HIV]sutty
For a good time goto:
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Gladiator

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sutty:
ROFL!!!!

i'd hate to tell you this, but buying stuff from the US will not cost you a grand, try £50

and where else do you think you will get them from? surely not Ireland??

anyway, you asked for prices and there and here they are

http://www.circuitdeal.com/communications-dsl-modems.html


you may also want this one

http://www.73.com/a/0038.shtml

if you look half way down the page you will see an add for nortel 1meg DSL modems


AND DONT BIT THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU FOOL

</font>

your secound post clearly showed more time had gone into finding the sites,

Your first link werent even ethernet modems (clearly said they were PCI)
and the other werent available to me unless i used them as my isp.
can you blame me for being abite mifed, you acted like i was a muppet for not being able to find the links myself and then dont even post the right ones,

Anyway thanks for the last post, that what i was looking for, i was hoping for a uk based retialer, for returns you know, but as a guide it will do fine

Gladiator

actually no not good, they wont ship to ireland so again its harder then you all thought to buy one of these things,

dahamsta

Gladiator, I have an Ethernet card in my PC. It's in a PCI slot. It's a PCI Ethernet adaptor. You never said anything about it being external, or not being PCI based, so don't be so ungrateful when someone takes the time to look for you. Which brings up the point that both sutty and I were able to find plenty of Ethernet DSL modems within a couple of minutes on Google. It's not bloody rocket science.

Also, please take note of sutty's comment, because he had a point - you had already posted about Ethernet DSL modems in another topic. If you wanted to draw attention to it, all you had to do was add a new post to the original thread. It was obvious to me from the first post that people weren't very interested anyway, so maybe you should have left it at that? And do you know why people aren't interested? Because it's a dumb post - why the hell would you want a DSL modem now, or even want to "research" it? And why would anyone care?

adam

Gladiator

Hmm maybe ive got the wrong end of the stick here but i was lead to understand that ethernet modems are external in nature to allow more then one pc to use them, IE so they can connect to a hub or router.

and dahamsta if its not rocket science then how come he still hasnt been able to find a retialer that will supply one, the only retailer he found that will sell them wont ship here,

this is more about all the people yourself included that seem to think getting one of these is easy as pie and yet cant find a place to buy one,
i sugest you either put up or shut up, find me a site anywere that sells ethernet modems and will ship to ireland, see how easy it is.

o and why would anybody care, you cared enough to post,

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dahamsta

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Hmm maybe ive got the wrong end of the stick here but i was lead to understand that ethernet modems are external in nature to allow more then one pc to use them, IE so they can connect to a hub or router.</font>

If more than one computer can use them it is a hub, a router, or a switch.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">and dahamsta if its not rocket science then how come he still hasnt been able to find a retialer that will supply one, the only retailer he found that will sell them wont ship here,</font>

Because he couldn't be bothered helping an ungrateful wretch anymore?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">this is more about all the people yourself included that seem to think getting one of these is easy as pie and yet cant find a place to buy one,</font>

I don't think it's either eay or hard, I couldn't give a toss either way, because I'm not so stupid as to go looking for a DSL *anything* when DSL isn't available to me. If you're tht interested in the hardware, why don't you keep looking yourself and stop annoying people with your inanity?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">i sugest you either put up or shut up, find me a site anywere that sells ethernet modems and will ship to ireland, see how easy it is.</font>

I wouldn't help you in a fit Gladiator, considering your attitude. Find it yourself.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">o and why would anybody care, you cared enough to post</font>

I posted to inform you of how positively ignorant you're being. You're rude and arrogant, and I'm sick to death of seeing your posts on boards.ie to be completely honest. I just wish this was vBulletin so I could block you out completely.

Have a nice day.

adam

sutty

ok, heres what you do.....seeing as you are on the "inte0rnet" you ask some one from the boards that is in the US to recive the Modem, then you get them to mail it to you....you then wire them the cost of the shiping.


If you want it cheap your going to have to shop in the US, Deal with it.

Gerry over on the Tech boards done it with His PIII.

And ppl like Hobbies do it for some ppl, if you ask nicely......

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http://www.hotinternetvirgins.com

Gladiator

no i said extrenal s it call be used to connect more then one pc, ie using a hub,
i didnt say connect more then one pc directly to it,

and as for the rest thats your opinion and your welcome to it, i asked for a simple link to something and i get "but why do you want that" and "you dont need that"

and did i ask for you help, if you dont want to see me post dont read my topics, its as simple as that. your the one wit hthe problem not me

Gladiator

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sutty:
ok, heres what you do.....seeing as you are on the "inte0rnet" you ask some one from the boards that is in the US to recive the Modem, then you get them to mail it to you....you then wire them the cost of the shiping.


If you want it cheap your going to have to shop in the US, Deal with it.

Gerry over on the Tech boards done it with His PIII.

And ppl like Hobbies do it for some ppl, if you ask nicely......

</font>

thanks for your help, much aperciated, found a us retailer that ships internationaly,
as a direct result to your last link (search for same model)
So thanks, i was about to ask which version you would think is best but dahamsta there might hunt me dont and kill me for it




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dahamsta

Got much better things to be doing with my time Gladiator, me old chum.

adam

Snaga

Gladiator,
No one here minds anyone asking questions, but with you its gotten out of hand a bit. You may be legitimately stuck when finding these things, but it looks like you dont even try.

You say youve been looking for weeks and sutty finds a site that works for you in a matter of minutes.

You open multiple threads over almost similar subjects, which tbh annoys people. Theres nothing worse then opening the boards to find 5 or 6 different threads started by the same person about similar subjects.

Saying "you shouldnt read them then" is a bit silly as most people have a genuine interest in networking and comms and are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that this latest thread will be something new and interesting. Unfortunately chances are its the same as the other 4.

No ones asking you not to post, just not to spam all over the place. There is such thing as moderation.

After reading the last thread you come across as a very lazy spammer and after reading other threads of yours you seem to know *almost* what you want but tend to get small details wrong (in this case the fact that an internal PCI ADSL modem works perfectly well, just you didnt specify exactly what you wanted (an adsl router)). Note, im NOT saying your clueless here, i do believe you know a bit about this area, its just how you express it.

Just put some thought into what you write, no point alienating a load of people who genuinely like to help each other by....to put it plainly....being rude and annoying.

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hudson806

I'm not too sure how sensible it is to drop this at the end of a flame war but hopefully someone will see it and, gasp, maybe find it useful

1./ Eircom's ADSL service: nobody knows what DSL modems will work with it - they may well set it up so that only the brands they supply will work, and all others will be refused a connection.

2./ You don't know if you can get their DSL service, until you are actually hooked up, and the modem syncs up. Just being connected to the correct exchange is nowhere near enough
3./ When Eircom launch their service, you can bet that people will start playing with other DSL modems on the service, and pretty soon we will know what works and what won't work

4./ Almost all consumer DSL services wordwide use PPP for connection, so even if you do get a DSL modem with a built-in ethernet hub you probably won't be able to use it on 4 PCs simultaneously.

So, in short, take it easy about getting an ethernet modem - buy one now and it probably won't work, and probably won't do what you expect it to do anyway

Just thought I'd try to lower the temperature a little!

Gavin

I was about to lock this when hudson came up with an intelligent post. Needless to say, any more flaming and I'll lock it.

Gav

Gladiator

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Snaga:
Gladiator,
No one here minds anyone asking questions, but with you its gotten out of hand a bit. You may be legitimately stuck when finding these things, but it looks like you dont even try.
</font>

actually i did, then i got talking to some people and about 5 of us spent days looking for ethernet to usb adaptors, dont ask.

anyway, sutty didnt provide a working link, he did provide a make and model which i used to find one,

as for my knowleage, this is the first time ive done this, i read up alot and what ive seen tell me i need an external, nothing beats hands on experience though

And hudson806 fair point, ill wait untill i see what type of ethernet modem the trial users get before i think about looking anymore into this,

Btw could you explain what you mean by ppp no being able to use the connection at the one time, i would start a new topic on it but i fair for my life

hudson806

PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol) is by far the most common means of connecting to DSL sevices in the US and Europe.

In the olden days (2 years ago), DSL routers either operated in Bridged mode (no IP for the router, Public static or DHCP IP for the PC) or routed (Public IP on the router, private IPs for the PCs inside it).

Nowadays, its more common just to use a PPP connection (same idea as dialup), over either Ethernet (PPPoE) or ATM (PPPoA - for USB modems)

Common PPPoE/PPPoA clients include:

WinPOET, EnterNet (WIndows)
Roaring Penguin (Linux)

You should be able to find websites, (and a more intelligible explanation of PPPoE) on Google.

Once of the big disadvantages of this, from our point of view, its then possible to lock other PCs out from using the connection, by only allowing one connection per username. Its also a pain in the ass to run a home network, because the PC with the PPP client has to act as a gateway.

There are quite a few routers out there that can terminate PPPoE connections and provide internal IPs for your network, but then you can't run servers of course.

All of which is why I'm saying not to rush out and buy a DSL modem - you may need to do quite a bit more research than you think, and until Eircom launch DSL, you just won't be able to get most of the answers you need

Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
Btw could you explain what you mean by ppp no being able to use the connection at the one time...
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I'm not a networking guru but this is how I see it:

If you have a network at home, you will need to assign one machine the task of identifying packets destined for the Internet at large. This machine is the router and will contain two network connections. One will be network card connected to your internal lan. The other will be your DSL connection. The DSL connection can be achieved by an ethernet based, usb, or internal pci DSL modem depending on the modem type. I don't think it matters for the purposes of home networking.

Your DSL provider will assign one IP address (dynamic or static) to the router machine. This machine will need to translate packets from the other machines on the network to this machine's address and then re-translate the return packets back to the other machine's address. This is known as NAT (Network Address Translation). This is another service that needs to run on the "router". In addition to this, you may wish to install a firewall on this machine.

There are commercial boxes which do the above (DSL routers) but the whole lot can be done on a 486 running BSD or Linux.

DSL routers can be used to connect just one PC (via a crossover cable) and can thus look like a standard ethernet DSL modem. However, ethernet DSL modems cannot be used as routers (they don't have the software in them).

I'm not too sure about that last one. Are all ethernet based DSL modems in fact routers?

This is all based on my reading up on the subject so please correct me if I'm wrong on this stuff.

hudson806

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Skeptic1:

I'm not too sure about that last one. Are all ethernet based DSL modems in fact routers?

</font>

They usually aren't - generally the DSL modem + builtin router models start at about 300STG, but it may be necessary to ensure it will terminate PPP connections (not all of them do).

The cheaper DSL modems are pretty much just that - they set up the hardware end of the DSL connection, and leave every thing else to the PC

USB DSL modems aren't ever routers - they can only terminate PPPoA connections. Your PC is then the Gateway.

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Gladiator

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by hudson806:
PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol) is by far the most common means of connecting to DSL sevices in the US and Europe.

In the olden days (2 years ago), DSL routers either operated in Bridged mode (no IP for the router, Public static or DHCP IP for the PC) or routed (Public IP on the router, private IPs for the PCs inside it).

Nowadays, its more common just to use a PPP connection (same idea as dialup), over either Ethernet (PPPoE) or ATM (PPPoA - for USB modems)

Common PPPoE/PPPoA clients include:

WinPOET, EnterNet (WIndows)
Roaring Penguin (Linux)

You should be able to find websites, (and a more intelligible explanation of PPPoE) on Google.

Once of the big disadvantages of this, from our point of view, its then possible to lock other PCs out from using the connection, by only allowing one connection per username. Its also a pain in the ass to run a home network, because the PC with the PPP client has to act as a gateway.

There are quite a few routers out there that can terminate PPPoE connections and provide internal IPs for your network, but then you can't run servers of course.

All of which is why I'm saying not to rush out and buy a DSL modem - you may need to do quite a bit more research than you think, and until Eircom launch DSL, you just won't be able to get most of the answers you need</font>

tell me, im buying a netgear adsl/cable router rt314,
it will work as you say with pppoe,
but im concerned about what you mean when you say it cant host a server, i was hopeing to host an ftp for work reasons,

Before anybody starts i was buying the router because i wanted to connect my pcs together, and for my reading its better then a hub, the fact it can share broadband is a bonus and is not the sole reason im buying.

i know there probably easier way but this suite me best,

and Skeptic1 the router im buying isnt attached to adsl modem, you can buy them on their own seperate.

Skeptic1

The main reason, as far as I can see, for going for ethernet based equipment is that it tends to be more OS independent. No need to hunt down a driver for whatever OS you're running.

Anyway, here's my own imaginary setup for a home network.

A 486/P60 linux box with the cheapest DSL modem (PCI card/USB/Ethernet) -- whatever I can get drivers for. As well as the DSL connection software, this will run a firewall, router, NAT + some internal servers (pop, sendmail etc.).

A hub + 2 or 3 PCs. Simple!

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hudson806

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
tell me, im buying a netgear adsl/cable router rt314,
it will work as you say with pppoe,
but im concerned about what you mean when you say it cant host a server, i was hopeing to host an ftp for work reasons, </font>

Think of the Netgear as sitting between your network and the internet: Your netgear router talks both to the internet and to your PCs. Your PCs can't talk directly to the internet but instead talks to the router(=gateway), which transparently sends your requests to the Internet. This is called Network Address Translation or NAT.

The DSL provider will likely assign you ONE IP address. This IP address will be given to the Netgear router (so if you ping this IP address from the Internet, the router will respond).

All your PCs will then ask the Netgear for an IP address. It then will give an IP address to your PC from the range which has been set aside for use in private networks - in the case of the netgear it will give your PCs IP addresses beginning with 192.168.x.x. The reason it gives these IP addresses and not 'real' ones is because the ISP owns the real addresses, and isn't giving you any more than one

As these are not Internet IP addresses, it will not be possible to accept inbound connections to your PCs from the Internet.

Try it - ping 192.168.1.1 from your internet connection, you will probably get a 'no route to host message'. There are PCs out there with that IP address, mine included, but those machines don't directly touch the internet, and hence there's no conflict.

I'm sorry this explaination is so confusing, but this is a pretty big topic. I'd recommend you do a search at http://www.google.com for the terms NAT or iptables.

In the meantime, I have to ask; Why, oh, why are you planning on spending 200 pounds on a router that may not work with a service that isn't due to launch for 4 months anyway? Please don't take this as a flame, (god knows we don't need more flaming...)but I just don't see the sense in this!


Oh, and Skeptic - your idea definitely sounds like the way to go. What your proposing is pretty much what I do for my nolimits service. Just wish I could quieten the linux box - the noise of 2 PCs is just too much!

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Gladiator

actually your post made perfect sesne to me,
its kinda what i was thinkign myself, but i thought with port forwarding you could get around that, maybe im totaly of the ball,

Right now my reasoning, First i wanted to connect my pcs, then i said hey, im building my new pc to last, i have to believe ill get broadband as some stage(or else whats the point) so i decided to go a route were i could share a broadband connection (should i ever get one) with ease, someone suggested getting NICs some cat 5 cable and a hub,
so i went looking at hubs and came across routers which seem to be "smarter" then hubs and Some have built in firewalls, as you said theres no direct connection to my computer useing a router, Being a paranoid sob i said if im going to do this i might as well do it right,

Maybe i wont need it for 4 months but the price difference between a hub and a router is tiny when i compare it to what ill be spend on building my new system,
maybe thsi all seems straight to you but not to me,

theres still alot i dont understand about networking and if you can suggest a different route id be happy to look into it

and Skeptic1 i thought about that but i dont know enough about linux

hudson806

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
actually your post made perfect sesne to me,
its kinda what i was thinkign myself, but i thought with port forwarding you could get around that, maybe im totaly of the ball,
</font>

From experience, port forwarding of Active FTP can be a b1tch to set up on DSL routers. If you're willing to use SSH/SCP instead of FTP though (and there's no sensible reason not to change), you should be fine.

Again, though, I would seriously suggest waiting till we know a bit more about Eircom's DSL solution - they may even offer a modem/router combo at the right price or something.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
theres still alot i dont understand about networking and if you can suggest a different route id be happy to look into it

and Skeptic1 i thought about that but i dont know enough about linux</font>

Hang on: Are you not the guy who posted the message about Linux users having to wait longer for DSL, and was this not why you wanted an Ethernet model in the first place?

Now I'm confused...



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Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
..someone suggested getting NICs some cat 5 cable and a hub,
so i went looking at hubs and came across routers which seem to be "smarter" then hubs and Some have built in firewalls</font>

A router does not do the job of a hub. You still need a hub or a switch in addition to the router. A lot of the confusion, I think, comes from the manufacturers terminology.

A router simply routes packets from one local network to another. At it's most basic it is a computer with two network cards and a bit of routing software.

A 'DSL router' is a router (described above) with DSL connection softare and either a) a connection to an external DSL modem (ethernet or otherwise) or a DSL modem built in. You still need a separate hub here.

Some DSL routers have additional hubs built in. But the router itself is not a hub nor does not perform the function of a hub.

I prefer the modular approach myself. You can switch between 56K, ISDN, DSL, Cablemodem without incurring expense. The other advantage is that you can start now and learn about the stuff so that when (if) ADSL eventually arrives you are ready to go.

hudson806

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Skeptic1:
A 'DSL router' is a router (described above) with DSL connection softare and either a) a connection to an external DSL modem (ethernet or otherwise) or a DSL modem built in. You still need a separate hub here.

Some DSL routers have additional hubs built in. But the router itself is not a hub nor does not perform the function of a hub.
.</font>

I'm aware of that. However, quite a few of them, particularly the type supplied by telcos are of the hub/router/modem combo type. They're also usually dirt cheap if you buy from the telco...

sutty

http://www.ibuyer.net/sprodcat.html?cid=885#mfr10775

http://www.estreet.com/escihome2/news/DSLModemPriceIncrease.html

http://www.midtel.net/net/dsl.html


theres 3 I found with in 5 min on Google........Next time try harder!!!

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">First i wanted to high light the fact i need one,</font>

Why do you have DSL in your area now? If not why do you need one?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Secound im getting alot of network gear in mid august and i wanted to buy one then so it would save me shipping and while i had the cash</font>

Do you even know if your exchange will be upgraded? How do you even know It will be coming out this year and that its with in a good price?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">third i dont see how this is crap as this is the network and communication forum</font>

Well seeing as you made a topic that is still open and going along these lines.......(I'll leave the rest up to you)

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">forth everybody, yourself included keep saying they see loads of them in online stores but i havent seen one of you yet with the good grace to post a link to one</font>

Well as I said at the start....theres 3 links found with in 5 min on Google, so you didn't look hard enough!!!

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sutty

oh sure one for the road....I wasn't going to post it as it was slow for me but what the hay


http://www.ridge.com.au/dsl.html

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[HIV]sutty
For a good time goto:
http://www.hotinternetvirgins.com

Gladiator

http://www.ibuyer.net/sprodcat.html?cid=885#mfr10775

Their PCI internal modems,
http://www.estreet.com/escihome2/news/DSLModemPriceIncrease.html

an isp selling the modems through their service


http://www.midtel.net/net/dsl.html

nearly £300(thats cheap to you is it) and you have to subcribe to their service to get one, so i cant get it from there

Were all the online stores you talk about,

you gave me internal pci modems and two sites that will only provide the modems through their dsl service, ie you have to sign with them. even then the price at very high.

i think you need to go back and look again, at what you posted,
you See its not as easy to find a retailer of adsl ethernet modems as you think it is,

And i spend a week looking for uk retailers of ethernet adsl modems on google, your right i could have also spend 5 minutes and came up with 4 useless links,

And if i want an adsl modem to beat with a bat then thats none of your bussiness,
i would like to know were to buy them, if/when i need one.



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Gladiator

o and well done 3 american site and an austrailian one, you couldnt get one were the shipping was a even grand could you,

Gladiator

well ok ill probably hold off on it all untill then,
i did post the linux topic only because i knew the level of linux users on this board and thought they would be interested.

the router i was going to buy has a 4 port hub built in, but no modem

in fact the only hub, router and modem combo ive seen is the speed touch pro which eircom could be suppling. i douth they will be cheap.

hudson806

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by yankinlk:
when you say they dont come with hub router and modem combo what do you mean? if it is a router it will connect to adsl for you, you dont need a seperate modem. Do you means POTS ? as in you can connect an analougue modem/fax machine/ home phone line to the router to make calls and get faxes?
[/B]</font>

DSL is a little different to leased lines. Think of it this way

The modem deals with setting up a physical or ATM link between itself and the DSLAM.

The router makes the IP connection over that link, wither PPP over ATM or vanilla TCP/IP

The hub is then conected to the router.

All this happening inside the one box, hence modem, router, hub combo

And, yes, I'm finding this thread more than a little painful myself, although strangely addictive

Gladiator

this is what is called a adsl router FT314 netgear
it has a built in 4 port switch which is alot like a hub but im not going to go into why their different here.
this is a router and will not connect to the internet with out a modem

This is whats called a ethernet modem Speedtouch pro (what the ft314 above need to access the net)
But this has a built in Router, which has a allso a 4 port switch, (thats what i mean but a modem,hub,router combo), this will connect to the interent, can do everythign a router does, but because people sometimes call them just routers, people persume a router can connect to the net, which it cant on its own.

allot of ethernet modems have routers built in, which lead people to call them just routers, this cause confusions because the likes of ft314 are called routers, even tho that to is wrong because they have switchs built in,

sorry if this doesnt make alot of sense its very confusing to say the least, hudson806 explains it well

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Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
this is what is called a adsl router FT314 netgear
it has a built in 4 port switch which is alot like a hub but im not going to go into why their different here.
this is a router and will not connect to the internet with out a modem

This is whats called a ethernet modem Speedtouch pro (what the ft314 above need to access the net)
But this has a built in Router, which has a allso a 4 port switch, (thats what i mean but a modem,hub,router combo), this will connect to the interent, can do everythign a router does, but because people sometimes call them just routers, people persume a router can connect to the net, which it cant on its own.

allot of ethernet modems have routers built in, which lead people to call them just routers, this cause confusions because the likes of ft314 are called routers, even tho that to is wrong because they have switchs built in,

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That is pretty much my understanding of the situation as well.

Over the next couple of weeks we will know the exact specification for equipment and protocols for Eircom's public trial. They will probably change some of this for the final commercial offering so there's no point in reading too much into it.

First report from a trial user is [url=http://iiu.taint.org/pipermail/iiu/2001-July/001918.html[/url].

Although the Alcatel model no. is not mentioned, it looks like one of the ones that could do routing although this has been disabled by Eircom. It is acting as a simple ethernet connected DSL modem with PPPoE running on the PC. This is a fairly standard setup these days and *nix users should have no problem configuring their machines for this. On balance good news but I find the few problems the engineers had a bit depressing and predictable.

Skeptic1

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Originally posted by Gladiator:
allot of ethernet modems have routers built in, which lead people to call them just routers, this cause confusions because the likes of ft314 are called routers, even tho that to is wrong because they have switchs built in,
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That is pretty much my understanding of the situation as well. The main thing is to get an understanding of networking and use standard terminology rather than manufacturers' advertising speak.

Over the next couple of weeks we will know the exact specification for equipment and protocols for Eircom's public trial. They will probably change some of this for the final commercial offering so there's no point in reading too much into it.

First report from a trial user is here[/irl].

Although the Alcatel model no. is not mentioned, it looks like one of the ones that could do routing although this has been disabled by Eircom. It is acting as a simple ethernet connected DSL modem with PPPoE running on the PC. This is a fairly standard setup these days and *nix users should have no problem configuring their machines for this. On balance good news but I find the few problems the engineers had a bit depressing and predictable. A tiny understanding of networking (such as I have) could have sorted these out.

flamegrill

Gladiator:

look here -> http://www.scan.co.uk/modems.htm

just happens to have a usb and a pci modem in a not so far away place. always check scan and dabs.com for hardware you might want b4 asking on boards.

the pci adsl modem is only £70 sterling


my ideal dsl setup, when/if i ever get it. will be my p200mmx linux box with some sorta dsl modem. what ever works with linux basically and iv got a realtek 4port ethernet card in it. so my other machines will just attach to that and away i go

same applies for cable.

sutty

A router is a modem, just a hell of a lot better at doing what a modem does. ie connect computer to computer.

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yankinlk

ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I have been reading this painful thread for two days now and I'm just getting more and more frustrated!!!!!

Gladiator, What do you mean when you say, "in fact the only hub, router and modem combo ive seen is the speed touch pro which eircom could be suppling. i doubt they will be cheap. "

when you say they dont come with hub router and modem combo what do you mean? if it is a router it will connect to adsl for you, you dont need a seperate modem. Do you means POTS ? as in you can connect an analougue modem/fax machine/ home phone line to the router to make calls and get faxes?

hudson806

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by flamegrill:
Gladiator:

look here -> http://www.scan.co.uk/modems.htm

just happens to have a usb and a pci modem in a not so far away place.
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I think the point gladiator has been trying to make is that ethernet dsl modems are hard to get hold of...

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my ideal dsl setup, when/if i ever get it. will be my p200mmx linux box with some sorta dsl modem. what ever works with linux basically and iv got a realtek 4port ethernet card in it. so my other machines will just attach to that and away i go
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If you want to do that you will almost certainly need an ethernet DSL modem. USB modems can be rather fiddley to get working in linux at present.

Of course, if you can find a site in the UK or Ireland that sells Ethernet DSL modems, ,_that_ would be useful!



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