Dublin Emergency Services Response

CTU_Agent

Could Dublin's emergency services cope with a large scale terrorist attack in the city. Do we have suffiecient Fire/Ambulance,Garda and Defence Forces to attend effeciently to an attack aftermath?

Could we maintain emergency cover in other areas whilst this is happening?

Lets not forget the current state of our hospital situation, how could the hospitals cope with an enormous influx of possibly hundreds of mamed and injured, not to mention the numbers killed....

Opinions?

Chalk

depends what you mean large scale.
as in london scale?
700 were injured in london out of a poulation of 7 million
38 were killed [figures correct i think]

if something on that scale happened in dublin 100 injured / 6 killed,
id say our ervices could cope

Cungi

There is no way our hospitals could cope with that many injured. Funny that our health service is crap yet politicians can give themselves another pay rise

Chalk

Cungi wrote:

There is no way our hospitals could cope with that many injured. Funny that our health service is crap yet politicians can give themselves another pay rise

with how many injured?

most of the 700 injured in london would have been treated by the paramedics for shock and smoke inhalation,
they dont all need hospitalisation

monkeyfudge

It's good thing Ireland is neutral in all this...


oh wait...

Cungi

Tbh i don't think they'd cope with two people injured

Sleipnir

Chalk wrote:

with how many injured?

most of the 700 injured in london would have been treated by the paramedics for shock and smoke inhalation,
they dont all need hospitalisation

People with shock and smoke inhalation would usually require hospitalisation.
Shock can be a very serious condition.

OT: While I do think we could cope with a small emergency quite well, such as the recent bus tragedy, I don't think the emergency services in Dublin are coordinated enough to deal with anything larger. Or anything more sinister.
An accident is a very different situation to a terrorist attack.
Plus there are other types of emergency; nuclear accident, natural disaster which we certainly are not prepared.

As far as I understand there are currently 3 commitee's and numerous sub-commitees in Ireland which are supposed to come up with some sort if coordinated emergency response (such as the U.S. F.E.M.A.) but it the past 5 years, we still only have commitees.
In short, if something does happen here, we're stuffed.

Sleipnir

monkeyfudge wrote:

It's good thing Ireland is neutral in all this...


oh wait...

It's "good for business." Surely the extremeists won't mind if they know we only did it for the money? :mad:

monkeyfudge

Saturday night each week in a Dublin hospital is on par with the sort of influx most cities would see with a major terrorist attack.

robinph

Chalk wrote:

with how many injured?

most of the 700 injured in london would have been treated by the paramedics for shock and smoke inhalation,
they dont all need hospitalisation

I thought that the 700 number that they were quoting last week was the numbers that actually passed through the hospitals, but there would have been quite a few more that may have just walked away with minor cuts etc and not gone near the hospitals.

Chalk

Chalk wrote:

700 were injured in london out of a poulation of 7 million
38 were killed [figures correct i think]

see my previous post

Gazza22

No i don't think we could cope, the whole country would probably fall apart if we were attacked...our accident and emergency services are stretched to breaking point on a daily basis merely dealing with routine calls so how we could launch a emergency plan is beyond me

I bet the government would just get on it's knees and cry for aid

CTU_Agent

without even touching on a nucluer or chemical attack which we dont have a hope in hell against...

Lets go with the London Scenario for Dublin

3 bombs go off on the 3 Dart trains at rush hour at 8:30am
1 more goes off on a bus service from suburbs to city centre at rush hour also...


Maximum amount of injuries inflicted... Number of people dead unknown.. National emergency plan spun into action...

1) Could gardai and Ambulance/Rescue Services co-ordinate with each other across the city at 4 different locations.

2) Could our hospital system cope with 1,000 injured, 100 dead (possible figures)

3) Could government react to put the public at ease and remain calm and collect, whilst co-ordinating the response to the attacks.

4) Are emergency services equipped/Trained to deal with such an attack or are we fish in a barrell.

Villain

There was a drill done a couple of years in dublin where they simualted an explosive at our docks. The reports after it showed that all the hospitals in dublin would be full in 20 minutes!!

Eoin

As far as I know, there are basically two sets of emergency ambulance personnel: The health boards and the Emergency Services (fire brigade). We are lucky that full time firemen in Ireland are also fully trained paramedics - they rotate between fire truck and ambulance duties on a regular basis.

They also train for all sorts of extraordinary emergencies. I have no doubt that they would be able to handle a disaster like what happened in London. All of them are contactible on a mobile when off duty, and if they are in a position to go into duty if they get a call in this case of situation, they will do.

However, as previous posters have pointed out, what happens when the injured get to the hospital is a different matter altogether.

Funny that our health service is crap yet politicians can give themselves another pay rise

Going OT here, but I don't really agree with that argument, as it's not too long before people start saying "why are we giving useless money to the arts when we have a crap health service?"

Bertie is actually paid less than people in his position. A head of a big company in Ireland (which he basically is) would earn many times his salary.

Lump

Who'd Bomb dublin? I think they'd compe fine..... and as people had pointed out, due to fewer people being around.... it's not likely as many would be injured.


John

Victor

CTU_Agent wrote:

2) Could our hospital system cope with 1,000 injured, 100 dead (possible figures)

Dead people need very little care. With injured, you just chuck out all the non-critical cases and you can very quickly free up a lot of space.

Victor

Lump wrote:

Who'd Bomb dublin?

UVF, UDA ...

watsgone

Sleipnir wrote:

People with shock and smoke inhalation would usually require hospitalisation.
Shock can be a very serious condition.

Just a side note Shock can be a potential fatal condition if not treated carefully.

I think it is not a question of if there is enough people to respond to a major incident as there is a large amount of emts,garda, fire bridage, army, rdf, order of malta, civil defense, red cross, st. johns, rescue teams and so on around the entire country.
The problem is communication and ordination of these groups, there needs to be more open discussion with the groups involved.

Sleepy

Lets face it, our emergency services didn't even handle a few hippys out protesting against the war very well, I'd dread to think how they'd cope with an attack.