What this forum is for...

DeVore

This forum is for the discussion of two things.

1. The internet in Ireland, the politics surrounding it and the way to move things forwards in general. (Esat NL, Eircom LLU etc). Nothing libelous or abusive!

2. The tehcnology of internet, lan and wan networks. How to set them up, optimise them and design them.

We'll elect a mod soon, I'd like to see one of the Ireland Offline guys involved (I think Cloud is involved with that).

DeVore.


DeVore.

chernobyl

i dunno but talk on such things is just depressing.we have nothing and i does not look like it will change.

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Coyote

Dev I would like to put my name forward for being a mod. Some people diff in opiuns on networks and telcoms with me, but I’m fair and read the ever post on 90% of the boards and ever post on the Technology boards.

Coyote

azezil

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Coyote:
Dev I would like to put my name forward for being a mod. Some people diff in opiuns on networks and telcoms with me, but I’m fair and read the ever post on 90% of the boards and ever post on the Technology boards.

Coyote</font>

what at suck up LOL

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Kali

the name doesn't seem to include ISP issues though. Networks/Broadband would be ideal although its a bit too big... still as long as people know where to post on issues its alright

amp

Well seeing as it was my idea I'd like to mod it.

http://www.boards.ie/bulletin/Forum24/HTML/000205.html

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DeVore

Well I'm in favour of getting the point home to people that the network in their office doesnt differ all that much from the internet. People often see them as separate things...

I'll have a think about the name and the mod. Amp you are a great mod though its rare for us to issue two boards to a single mod (simply to avoid over working our mods!). I'm also going to see if one of the Ireland Offline people will assist in moderating it...

usually we see how it goes and decide later. Its an admin thing to be honest.

DeV.

sutty

Dev I'd love to be the mod for this board, would you consider me?

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Ciaran Sutcliffe
aka: sutty
[HIV]sutty
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smoke.me.a.kipper

probable scenario....

smak: can i mod the board??
admin: no, **** off smak!

anyway, nice addition to boards.ie!

acous

DeV, seeing as ur reading this thread, will boards.ie be upgraded to ubb v6?

or, have you heard of vbulletin? its a php/mysql ubb clone. its meant to be significantly faster on big sites and can import from ubb.

[This message has been edited by Acous (edited 17-06-2001).]

SantaHoe

N'yom good stuff.

DeVore

acous, thats really Cloud's department, I dunno what the story is to be honest, I think we are staying with what we have right now.

Its all up for discussion tbh.

DeV.

Cake Fiend

Gimme 'Games' and stick Amp in here

(I spend far too much time on these boards not to be in some sort of important position... )

[fist]Snowball

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DeVore:
1. The internet in Ireland, the politics surrounding it and the way to move things forwards in general. (Esat NL, Eircom LLU etc). Nothing libelous or abusive!</font>

DeVore??? r u sure, u know we r in Ireland, no?

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Snowball.

Buses are sociable vehicals, thats why they come in twoes and threes

Bard

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DeVore:
I'm also going to see if one of the Ireland Offline people will assist in moderating it...
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I'm on the IrelandOffline committee and I'll happily put my name in the "help moderate this new board" hat. I'm on boards.ie all the time anyway

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Bard

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Does exactly what it says on the tin.

Kali

aye Bards the man for this board.

bubbles

As an employee of eircom - I feel I am the right man to be mod for this forum and keep everything fair !!

The Cigarette Smoking Man

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bubbles:
As an employee of eircom -</font>

You should be excommunicated

What's the story with the name of the Forum? First Networks, then Networks / Comms and now Nets / Comms. wtf is Nets anyway???

sutty

No vote me.......you know you want to

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irishguy

i agree with Acous vbulletin is better than what we are using .also i vote bard

Bard

SO?... Who's it to be?...

(the mod, that is)

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Bard

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Cake Fiend

Amp! And I'll take Games. You know it makes sense.

Lucutus

imo, the moderator of this board should be someone with a good solid understanding of the internet and it's comms technologies.

Someone with their finger on the pulse of new connectivity tech and who will encourage lively debate and inform us all in general of cool things that are happening outside of the ESAT no-limits 'dispute'.

If the board is to be about Ireland Offline, we should just put Bard in and rename this board to that, then redirect his community board to this.

The name 'Nets / Comms' suggests something totally different to "We want broadband now!"

I think this board could be a good idea, so long as it serves to inform and invoke conversation about the broader issues as well, especially new tech...

Anyone remember the Cisco/Valve 'PowerPlay' project?

Tell me five things flawed about the ideals put forward in that

Jaden

Hmmm,

Problems with powerplay.

1. Generic software/protocol solutions to connection quality issues would be almost impossible given the number of differnt games developers who signed up. Companies use very differnt methods to transmit data to and from client machines, finding an acceptable compromise to improve all of them even marginally is not feasable.

2. PowerPlay was designed to be ISP specific. Duh.

3. Powerplay was initally aimed at Modem users, and would eventually be rolled out to higher bandwidth connection users. Improving modem connections, while for the moment is a worthy cause, is a bit like flogging a dead horse.

4. Cisco, the biggest company company involved in powerplay, was expected to send tens of millions of dollars on R&D. Why would they do that, unless they could make money off it? The only way to make money off Powerplay, was to pass on the cost to the end user. Why pay extra to improve your modem connection, when you can upgrade to ISDN/Cable instead? Modemers are poor, that's why they have modems.

5. Powerplay will only really be effective if you have Cisco on one end, and Cisco on the other. It was designed by Cisco, for Ciso. As I recall, Quality of Service (QoS) is a Cisco buzz term, which came about due to Voice over IP being intolerant of data delay. Power play is Cisco's way of ensuring that to get a better game, you have to use cisco products. And if, like VOIP, you prioritize packets for power play, then someone else's packets are de-prioritized. Very fair.

In summary: You can't have LAN like gameplay unless:

A. You're on a LAN.

OR:

B. You're on a LAN.

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Hail To The King, Baby.

Jaden.
Mail: jaden@eircom.net

Jaden

I suppose it would be better if I had something to do while trolling through these boards all day.

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Hail To The King, Baby.

Jaden.
Mail: jaden@eircom.net

Loomer

If Jaden needs help I am well interested(am pursuing CCNA atm) also as mentioned in other post I nominate myself as the "Serious" candidate - Hey just look at my Avatar. I couldn't have drawn a better self-portrait, look at that chiseled jaw. Damn I'm yummy! Ladies form an orderly queue.

Bard

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lucutus:

Unless Sico, Bard and amp have enough interest in general net tech, (as opposed to "I wanna board!") [...]</font>

I know I do, and I know Dev was looking for someone from IrelandOffline to co-mod it. That's why I offered. To be perfectly honest I wouldn't have had a clue on the question answered above by Jaden but there's still a heck of a lot more I could contribute on.

No skin off my nose either way - the offer is there... name in hat, so to speak.

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Bard

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[This message has been edited by Bard (edited 19-06-2001).]

Lucy_la_morte

All the mods want more power

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Miaow.

Lucy la morte.

Cake Fiend

Well I wouldn't say I know enough about networking, internet politics etc for this particular board.

Ronin

If your going to have a board about net /comms then the topic of ireland offline shouldn't really enter into it, unless its something informative to the whole net/comms area in general.

Lets not have another place where all we hear about is the lack of boardband everywhere, there are enough places around with that already.

And before anyone blows up about lack of boardband I'd love more then anyone to have boardband at home. But there isn't that much that can be done, unless you have a large chunk of money to spend .

If you want it to be about the lack of boardband in ireland then create a board called "lack of boardband moaning board" and leave it at that.

Ro

Lucutus

Excellent, Well Done Jaden.

Unless Sico, Bard and amp have enough interest in general net tech, (as opposed to "I wanna board!"), like this to make this board an interesting place, then it should probably go to someone with the enthusiasm of Jaden there.

Luc

Skeptic1

I think that broadband issues should be discussed here. They don't really fit into the technology board and IrelandOffline have specific strategy issues to discuss on their board. Wide ranging discussions don't really belong there either.

I don't think you can talk about networks and communications without talking about the Internet. If the Internet is going to be discussed here, then you can't really leave out talking about the means of accessing it. Unfortunately, this includes political and money issues as well. All IMHO.

Loomer

IMHO this board should be purely for tech ques/discuss etc. Eircom rants should be in Humanities or perhaps a new forun i.e. Inhumanities

Skeptic1

They may object to them on the (in)humanities board as well. I just think things will spill over into this area.

I take it that the net/comms board will be the place people will discuss the relative merits of ISPs and when broadband arrives, people will be enquiring about that here as well.

I agree that pointless rants should be discouraged however.

Perhaps two boards: Networking and Internet would be more appropriate. I know Devore wants to emphasise that the underlying concepts are similar, but I don't think people think like that. The Internet has always been a mix of politics and technology.

Or maybe the board should simply be called "Internet". Home and office networking could stay on the technology board.

amp

*amp puts down the +4 Staff of Sarcasm*

I was never really serious about being the mod of this board. Certainly no "I wanna board" motive here. Of course the "mods want more power" but most of us want to see boards with healthy discussions and stuff with the muppets kept in check.

At the end of the day I can only say what I want to see in this board and that's a board where help can be found and given and a mod with a sense of humour tempered with responsibilty and a good bit of networking knowledge. While I could do the job, I consider myself out of the running.

Therefore I say Jaden should be mod. With Sutty as a co-mod cos maybe he'd shut up then

*amp picks up the +4 Staff of Sarcasm and begins to beat himself with it*

WUHOOO!!!!

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DeVore

Ugh, I hate it when I agree with Amp.

It makes me feel all dirty.

DeV, in Boston.

Jaden

You feel dirty Dev? You'd wanna see what I had to do with Amp to make him say that. But I am not alone in my shame, Sutty had to do it too.

/Me showers in boiling domestos.

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Hail To The King, Baby.

Jaden.
Mail: jaden@eircom.net

fisty

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by The Cigarette Smoking Man:
You should be excommunicated

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lol.

amp

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DeVore:
Ugh, I hate it when I agree with Amp.

It makes me feel all dirty.
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hmmm you've been agreeing with me a lot lately. Who knows, I might actually give you the negatives back.

[See Bubbles profile for more details]

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amp

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jaden:

You feel dirty Dev? You'd wanna see what I had to do with Amp to make him say that. But I am not alone in my shame, Sutty had to do it too.

/Me showers in boiling domestos.
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Sshhh, my little rentboys, or people might rumble the fix.

amp - making people feel dirty since August 1999

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Mills

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lucy_la_morte:
All the mods want more power

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She's right, one board is never enough.....

Son of Blam

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lucutus:

imo, the moderator of this board should be someone with a good solid understanding of the internet and it's comms technologies.
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Is this always the case? Shouldn't the moderator just be somebody who reads that particular board a lot and is mature, therefore being in a position to get rid of off-topic posts and muppets quickly?

If Luc's point was correct then I should be a moderator on the music board instead of him because I'm a superior music dude.

-Son of Blam

DeVore

A little of both Blam.

You need to have an interest in the topic or else you wont read it ever day. A knowledge helps for assisting newbies and arbitrating flamewars.

An indepth knowledge is not as desireable as a level head and maturity...

DeV.

Loomer

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DeVore:
An indepth knowledge is not as desireable as a level head and maturity...

DeV.</font>

Hey Dev, I have a pretty good knowledge, but not guru(yet) read several times a day and consider myself impartial and mature(ish) so hows aboot it.

amp

There's probably enough muppets now wanting to mod this board that I think the position should be auctioned for charity.

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WhiteWashMan

far too much muppetry.
i feel a bout of cynisicm coming on....

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Bard

DeVore - I seem to remember you asking if someone from IrelandOffline wanted to co-mod this board..(?)

I'm the website manager and forum moderator for IrelandOffline. It doesn't seem to me to be more than Verb could handle alone, but if you still require a co-mod, my name is still in the hat.

Cheers,

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Bard

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