Garda in critical condition after north Dublin stabbing

robz150

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A 29-year-old garda in a critical condition this morning after being stabbed in the Raheny area of north Dublin last night.
The attack happened after two Gardai responded to a call from a member of the public about an incident on Main Street at around 11.30pm.

They are believed to have been confronted by two Chinese men armed with knives when they arrived at the scene.

Both Gardai were subsequently stabbed, one of whom is in a critical condition in intensive care at the Mater Hospital this morning.

The other is in a serious condition at Beaumont Hospital, but his injuries are not as severe.

Two people have been arrested in connection with the stabbings.


http://www.unison.ie/breakingnews/index.php3?ca=9&si=75977

call_me_fish

robz150 wrote:

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They are believed to have been confronted by two Chinese men armed with knives when they arrived at the scene.

what makes them think it's 2 Chinese men? ne evedences?

mike65

I was going to post about this incident from a different angle to the OP, call_me_fish though has got the ball rolling.

Yes the victims of the robbery and the robbers were Chinese (later apprehended) and so what? Does it matter what thier nationality is esp as both parties were of the same background, so hard to make a case about racialy inspired crime. Yet in every news broadcast I've heard so far "Chinese" has been mentioned. I wonder if they were all PH-Ds in quantum physics would that have been considered so pertinent to the story?

Mike.

Sarsfield

Are we being a little over-sensitive here? No doubt, the fact that both robbers and victims are of the same ethnic group will be a factor in how the investigation is carried out.

Like who to interview, who to appeal to for information, possible motives for the initial crime other than simple robbery?

As it's relevant to the investigation, it's relevant to the story, I'd have thought.

As for phd's? If they were students, travellers, high court judges, or any of a wide range of groups I'm sure that would have been mentioned too.

call_me_fish

They are believed to have been confronted by two Chinese men armed with knives when they arrived at the scene.

well i belive Aliens did it :rolleyes:

flogen

It's (supposed to be) the norm in journalism where race/colour/religion doesn't factor in an incident unless it's motivated by one of the afore mentioned. When I read it earlier, my first thought was also "what does their ethnic background have to do with their crime?"

roberteboot

flogen wrote:

It's (supposed to be) the norm in journalism where race/colour/religion doesn't factor in an incident unless it's motivated by one of the afore mentioned. When I read it earlier, my first thought was also "what does their ethnic background have to do with their crime?"

I felt they were just mentioning it in the same way as they would say "a man from the [area name] area of the city" which they do regularly when reporting on crimes.Its part of the story i dont see why they wouldnt mention it.It would be slightly strange not to mention it.

KnowItAll

flogen wrote:

It's (supposed to be) the norm in journalism where race/colour/religion doesn't factor in an incident unless it's motivated by one of the afore mentioned. When I read it earlier, my first thought was also "what does their ethnic background have to do with their crime?"

Maybe people want to know that criminals are being welcomed into the country.

Also, why bother mention that the London bombers were muslim?

flogen

roberteboot wrote:

I felt they were just mentioning it in the same way as they would say "a man from the [area name] area of the city" which they do regularly when reporting on crimes.Its part of the story i dont see why they wouldnt mention it.It would be slightly strange not to mention it.

Not really, it's one thing to say where in the city/country they live in, it's another to see what ethnic background they hail from.

How often do you see news reports which mention that the attacker was an Irish white man? Or for that matter was a westerner (such as American or English). They only seem to mention it when the person in question is of a different ethnic background.

Why mention that the london bombers were muslim? Well why indeed. It would make more sense to mention that they probably carried out the attack in honor of their twisted view of a faith, which just happened to be muslim. I mean, in the case of the london bombings, the religion could be important in the explanation of the motive, this man did not attack the Gardai because he was Chinese or because he was belived he was fighting a cause for Chinese people.

TonyD79

because it might be triad linked....or should I say gang (non rascist) and there are plenty of people out there who would be interested to know it was chinese who were involved as they have until now only been involved in violence among their own race in Ireland.

We expect Irish scum bags to attack Garda not chinese...If the star led with the headline on its front page..."chinese men stole an orange" then that would be a touch racist as it was not particulary newsworthy.


as for the london bombers were muslim well if you said they were irish catholics then you would link it to the republican cause and not a bunch of muslims who find it ok to live and work in a foreign country yet hypocriticaly hate it and its values..As they sing " go on home british soldiers go on home" why are these muslims living in the west if they hate it so much. They are cowards.killing innocent civilians cause they wont die for islam on the battlefield.

if they cant learn to live together in peace then go back home cause if these terrorist killings will only lead to racial violence far worse than anything seen by the nazis. Ask every westerner how would they feel about
taking action if a loved one was killed by a muslim bomber then you have a recipe for 1930's germany and the nazi party.

L

CrimE

Im sorry but ****ing typical. This is yet another blatant reason for the gardaí to be armed. Disgraceful that the two men they confronted were better armed than the gardaí. If i had it my way two different people would be in hospital now with gunshot wounds :mad:

flogen

TonyD79 wrote:

because it might be triad linked....or should I say gang (non rascist) and there are plenty of people out there who would be interested to know it was chinese who were involved as they have until now only been involved in violence among their own race in Ireland.

We expect Irish scum bags to attack Garda not chinese...If the star led with the headline on its front page..."chinese men stole an orange" then that would be a touch racist as it was not particulary newsworthy.

So the journalist writing the piece should assume that because a man is Chinese he's automatically connected to the Triads? Well there's certainly nothing to suggest that he is. Unless the writer knows and can prove a connection with the Triads, then there is no need to take it into consideration, and so no need to give any details on country of origin, ethnic background etc.
I don't see why people would be interested to know a criminal is Chinese, just like they're probably not interested in knowing that a criminal is Irish. Now if these criminals carried out their acts in the name of a gang especially one that is generally of one ethic origin, that's a different matter.

as for the london bombers were muslim well if you said they were irish catholics then you would link it to the republican cause and not a bunch of muslims who find it ok to live and work in a foreign country yet hypocriticaly hate it and its values..As they sing " go on home british soldiers go on home" why are these muslims living in the west if they hate it so much. They are cowards.killing innocent civilians cause they wont die for islam on the battlefield.

if they cant learn to live together in peace then go back home cause if these terrorist killings will only lead to racial violence far worse than anything seen by the nazis. Ask every westerner how would they feel about
taking action if a loved one was killed by a muslim bomber then you have a recipe for 1930's germany and the nazi party.

L

Early news reports from the bombings (once they were established as bombings) made no reference to religion, they did say that an Islamic group had claimed responsibility because that's what had happened. It's only now that the identities of the bombers themselves are being established, I didn't see any suggestion by reputable media that the bombers were Arabic, but when an Islamic group is responsible then it's hardly going to be a Catholic individual carrying out the attack itself, so calling them Muslim bombers is a bit of a no-brainer.
As for the spiel you have afterwards, we're not debating the hypocracy of Islamic or Catholic extremists, nor are we debating the possible outcomes of terrorist attacks in the West. Please try to stay on topic.

CrimE

This thread is trailing away from the point.

Two people who go out have been critically injured trying to protect us and what I want to know is why things are the way they are.

Why if i pick up a bat of any kind am I better armed than the large majority of the police force? Its a joke. This incident would never have ended the way it did if the two gardaí were sufficently equipped to deal with an attack like this.

flogen

CrimE wrote:

This thread is trailing away from the point.

Two people who go out have been critically injured trying to protect us and what I want to know is why things are the way they are.

Why if i pick up a bat of any kind am I better armed than the large majority of the police force? Its a joke. This incident would never have ended the way it did if the two gardaí were sufficently equipped to deal with an attack like this.

This issue was touched on when Gardai killed some robbers at a post office a while back.
There is the argument that criminals will respond to better equiped police by upping their own supplies, also known as escalation.
I for one prefer our Gardai to be without guns, and while incidents like this do sadly happen they are very rare in the grand scheme of things. I don't think giving the Gardai guns would solve any problems in the long run.

CrimE

Thats fair enough but I still feel that it would act as a deterrent. You may assume that criminals may resort to guns aswell but alot of criminals wouldnt have access to guns or at least not instataneously. Any gobshíte can pick up a knife and go for a garda very easily but getting a gun is far more comlicated. And I know that those men who attacked the two gardaí would have thought twice about doing anything if the gardaí had have been armed.

Another question I ask is why does every other country feel its neccesary to arm the police and not us. I mean the english police forces are nearing becoming an armed police force with armed officers a common sight on the streets and all other countries afaik have armed forces. And theres no way that Ireland has a lower violent crime rate than all these other countries who have armed their police forces.

flogen

I'm not sure about lower crime rates, but we certainly have a lower gun-fatality rate to the UK.
There aren't many criminals that attack Gardai, certainly not common thugs. Usually, the only people to go for the Gardai are hardened criminals who are more than just advantagious, they are criminals by trade.
The Gardai having guns could discourage some yob from having a go with a knife, but it could also encourage a professional criminal to suit up before he goes out on a job, just incase he comes across a Gardai with a weapon.

CrimE

But do the "hardened" criminals not already suit up. ie. most bank raids/post office raids etc. involve men armed with guns/ shotguns etc. thes hardened criminals arent likely to be messing about either they will be doing something ie. robbing and will normally be armed.

Example: any of you remember when two gardaí stumble across an off licence robbery and only for a gun jamming they were saved. I mean come on...

flogen

I don't know, I'm sure many don't because they don't need to, or if they do it's just for protection against other gangs.

Look at it this way, has armed police solved any problems in the UK, US or anywhere else it's implemented? If it does sort out a small problem it is just going to create a bigger one, or an equally dangerous one. I know it sounds stupid, but if I had to choose between criminals with knives and criminals with guns, I know which side I'd take.