jab

kerinsp

If you are right handed do you normally jab with your right hand or left? What do you guys do?

Kevin_rc_ie

i think the standard is from a normal boxing stance you see on telly, the right handed ppl jab with their left, the leading hand. the right is behind for the bigger hits.

dudara

Depends on which side is the leading leg. You should be able to jab fairly equally with both hands.

kerinsp

well its for kickboxing and I kind of prefer to kick with the right leg so I tend to lead with that all the time.

Roper

Jab is your front hand, regardless of stance.

If your right leg is your power leg, then it should be behind you, hence your jab will be your left hand.

I don't think there's a particular link between left handers and southpaws. I know a few right handed southies

Kevin_rc_ie

i've always found that ppl new to boxing, want to punch with their "good hand". and seeing that you jab more often than you do what ever the other punch is called they lead with their good hand. not good practice thou. or is it?

kerinsp

yes thats what I am doing. I find it feels better to jab with my good hand but I am totally new to it so i might change it around later on.

Kevin_rc_ie

I'm really not sure. I'm waiting for the experts to say so. Maybe it's just up your own preference.

pma-ire

kerinsp wrote:

yes thats what I am doing. I find it feels better to jab with my good hand but I am totally new to it so i might change it around later on.

Bruce Lee used to promote jabbing with the strongest hand.

He maintained that you could land more heavy fast punches which could finish the fight earlier.

Also the hand you don't use to write with compensates by becoming bigger and more solid. So in fact it could well have a good clubbing blow to it from the back?

Do what your comfortable with.

columok

The majority of boxers jab with their weak hand.

Them being the experts in punching Id tend to agree with them. Adding in kicks well thai boxers lead with their weak leg so they can kick with the strong back leg.

TwoKingMick

I'd offer up an opinion, but playstaion I-toy has informed me that i have a very poor understanding of how to hit things.

columok

Mick "worse than Dave at standup" Leonard.

If we end up trapped in the matrix you're screwed.

pma-ire

columok wrote:

The majority of boxers jab with their weak hand.

Them being the experts in punching Id tend to agree with them. Adding in kicks well thai boxers lead with their weak leg so they can kick with the strong back leg.

Did you just have to disagree? :rolleyes:

Not all boxers jab with there weak hand!!

columok

Did you just have to disagree?

No but on the topic of punching I'd favour the world of boxers who've been punching faces since Olympic times rather than Bruce Lee who did very little full contact competition (well that can be verified). Im sure there are some who lead with their strong hand. They are few and far between.

And no I haven't disagreed with you.

I said:

The majority of boxers jab with their weak hand.

You retorted:

Not all boxers jab with there weak hand!!

The fact that I said the majority rather than all makes your riposte redundant. Sorry.

Roper

Personally, I'd believe the guy with limited fights who was a movie star over 100 years of worldwide competition and millions of fights..........

columok

Roper is gently headbutting the correct from the mount.

Tim_Murphy

I've been known to fight good hand forward from time to time. It's a habit from TKD where a lot of people fight good leg forward.

Kevin_rc_ie

in TKD Tim, do you just stand to the side and sidekick sidekick sidekick sidekick?

pma-ire

Roper wrote:

Personally, I'd believe the guy with limited fights who was a movie star over 100 years of worldwide competition and millions of fights..........

He may have been a movie star, but he was constantly in fights when he was a kid in Hong Kong.

Maybe the fact that he was a pioneer in the research and practice of Martial Arts is not good enough for you?

columok wrote:

rather than Bruce Lee who did very little full contact competition

Or the fact that many people in the martial arts stole his ideas as there own, or tag on his concepts to back up there own persona??

pma-ire

columok wrote:

The fact that I said the majority rather than all makes your riposte redundant. Sorry.

I had not been retorting your comment at all!!

Just talking about the use of the strong hand for jabs :rolleyes:

I do this myself because I was thought punches with the left leg forward. And being lefthanded meant I found the jab to be nice and snappy.

columok

Or the fact that many people in the martial arts stole his ideas as there own, or tag on his concepts to back up there own persona??

Who?? Personalities are irrelevent. Reality is backed up by years of competition. Reality just is. It's just taking the martial arts world years to figure out what it is...

pma-ire

columok wrote:

Who?? Personalities are irrelevent. Reality is backed up by years of competition. Reality just is. It's just taking the martial arts world years to figure out what it is...

Really!! and who was the new messiah then??

columok

pma-ire wrote:

Really!! and who was the new messiah then??

I dont follow. Nobody.

EDIT: I should clarify. I mean I dont get what you're saying. There is no new messiah...

pma-ire

columok wrote:

I dont follow. Nobody.

EDIT: I should clarify. I mean I dont get what you're saying. There is no new messiah...

I got what you meant I did'int think you were talking in the double negative

Kevin_rc_ie

royce gracie.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

kerinsp wrote:

If you are right handed do you normally jab with your right hand or left? What do you guys do?

Why dont you just ask your instructor, he's bound to give you the right answer for which ever style your training in.

Dyr

but he asking what people here do, not what his instructor does

john kavanagh

a little bit of insomnia keeping me up tonight so decided to read a few threads and have to say how funny it is that someone can come on and ask an innocent question like 'how to throw a jab' and within a couple of posts things start getting heated lol!

"It's just taking the martial arts world years to figure out what it is..."

well i'd disagree there or at least clarify anyway. boxing, thai, wrestling, judo etc been around for long long times - its just as of late they're enjoying a big resurgance (amoungst the martial arts fraternity) with the popularity of MMA etc

edit - hmmm just re-reading there and i guess thats what you were trying to say in the first place?? hmmm maybe i should try and sleep now lol

Roper

I used to suffer badly from insomnia myself, but having a baby has cured that, now I can sleep anywhere, anytime! It's all bad John, but if it's any consolation, be glad you're not me, an insomniac with tinitis.........

Paul,
I wasn't trying to be smart, but people see Bruce Lee as an innovator, but he didn't create anything new for me, just took from existing combat sports. There have been 100's of top boxers who use southpaw who've fought at the pinnacle but nobody ever mentions them because they didn't have any mysticism about them. That's annoying to me.

john kavanagh

"an insomniac with tinitis" :eek:

Roper

When I first got it I kept thinking I'd left the stereo on with nothing playing or the TV on a blank channel. Nearly drove me around the twist!
There's a simple cure John, get into the fatherhood game and I promise you any chance you get you'll sleep.

On topic:
It's a strange thing that a movie star is revered in MA circles as an authority on punching rather than the countless trainers, coaches, and experienced, ass-on-the-line fighters who've used it at the highest level. I love Bruce Lee movies, but they're just movies man........

Tim_Murphy

in TKD Tim, do you just stand to the side and sidekick sidekick sidekick sidekick?

Well there's a bit more to it than that but that is a lot of it. sidekicks are usually used as the first technique before either throwing a kick off the back leg or closing the distance and punching.

kerinsp

seem like some of you jab with your good arm so!

Will I ask you all another silly/easy question?

columok

"It's just taking the martial arts world years to figure out what it is..."

Yip JK. What i was saying is that MA people make big deals about new training revelations, new fads etc that get people closer (and sometimes further) from the truth day by day. Meanwhile while MA peeps are doing all the talking/theorising Judo people, Boxers, Thai boxers have just kept doing what theyve been doing because the blunt honesty of competition has made them cut all the cr@p.

Have to say I agree with Roper. The dude is just a movie star. For all he did for furthering cross training he also made a lot of people start a lot of traditional martial arts.

Kerins,

Try both in sparring and see what works for you.

Kevin_rc_ie

Bruce Lee killed Judo in ireland and brought striking martial arts to the masses. ppl from karate and tkd and kung fu should bow before him.

pma-ire

columok wrote:

The dude is just a movie star. For all he did for furthering cross training he also made a lot of people start a lot of traditional martial arts.

Traditional Martial Arts??

People may have started TMA because of Lee. But that would have been because there was only Karate, Judo or TKD in the area.

Lee himself was a big basher of TMA and his contridution to the furthering of cross-training is the concept of JKD. Are you saying that JKD is a TMA??

pma-ire

Roper wrote:

On topic:
It's a strange thing that a movie star is revered in MA circles as an authority on punching rather than the countless trainers, coaches, and experienced, ass-on-the-line fighters who've used it at the highest level. I love Bruce Lee movies, but they're just movies man........

He has a Martial Artist before he was a movie star.

Many of his training techniques have been adapted for both MA's and combat sports.

If thats what you feel about him then fine. I don't want to change anyones mind about something that they have come to an opinion on already.

columok

Lee himself was a big basher of TMA and his contridution to the furthering of cross-training is the concept of JKD. Are you saying that JKD is a TMA??

Mostly yes. The idea is "do what works". Most JKD people take this as do what Bruce Lee Sifu did.

pma-ire

columok wrote:

Mostly yes. The idea is "do what works". Most JKD people take this as do what Bruce Lee Sifu did.

I totally agree with you Colum.

The fact that people think that they are doing a Martial Art called JKD have missed the point.

You can practice any MA and still train in the concept of JKD.

And then not train in any MA and still train in the concept of JKD. The choice is yours.

cletus

I'm coming a bit late to this post, and it seems to have drifted a little, but anyway I am left handed, but I use an orthodox stance ( to use boxing terminology), but I'm also right footed, so this leaves my power leg at the back...just to answer the original question... so yeah

paul moran

When I started boxing in the early 80's the coach would throw a tennis ball at us a few times and then put the "catch" hand at the back and the other hand would be our jabbing hand. This would normally mean we would have our strong hand at the back and weak hand in front.

The logic is to have the power punch as your cross and the jab would be used to set the power punch up with a ramrodding punch which can gauge the distancing before throwing the cross. As well as getting closer to throw the hooks and uppercuts.

Also when you throw your power punch you use up more energy than you do when you throw the jab. Which means you will tire faster? This is a conditioning issue of course but it will still a factor in a fight.

As you are also throwing the cross with the intent of landing a power punch then naturally this punch will be slower, And thus hard to double up the jab if your using your stronger hand as the lead. Again this is not the situation with everyone, as anything can be done once trained correctly.


Nowaday's most coaches allow the kids (if taking up boxing as a kid??) to take their prefared stance and teach them accordingly!

Of course once I began to incorporate kicking, things changed!?!?!?!? I find myself switching stances more often and also my footwork is completely different!

scuttery1

FWIW there's some good info in this article wrt the jab. Also if you get a chance you should try get yer hands on a copy of Tommy Thompsons TVP coaching book, ****e layout but some really good info on coaching & developing good boxing form.
John

BrianD3

I don't do MA or boxing but I do practice boxing combos on a heavy bag. I find it doesn't make a huge difference whether I use an orthodox or southpaw stance. I get similar power, speed, snap, accuracy in both stances. AFAIK a lot of boxers are perfectly comfortable using both stances in the course of a fight and will change from one stance to another in an attempt to make things more difficult for their opponent

entropi

Was just doing some jab stances in TKD last week, what we learn is to jab with whatever leg is forward, and if you are gonna follow through with a 2nd hit twist your hip forward and lay into em with your other hand.

I jab with both good and bad hand personally but i've been learning how to do this efficiently[ not dropping my guard too much ] only recently.

scuttery1

Never posted the link......
http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/fb/fbbox1.html