A shout out to all you unix heads........HELP

sutty

Hay all

I've been asked by my new boss in work to learn how to use unix, what I need to know is, what are the best books to get for a starter newbie to the OS.

Is there an IRC channel where I might beable to get good books on it?

Do I really need to grow a lot of hair?

Thanks for your help lads

Ciaran

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Ciaran Sutcliffe
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[HIV]sutty
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JustHalf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sutty:
I've been asked by my new boss in work to learn how to use unix, what I need to know is, what are the best books to get for a starter newbie to the OS.
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http://www.boards.ie/bulletin/Forum26/HTML/000016.html Had some information... I'll stick with the FreeBSD handbook at http://www.freebsd.org/

If there's any specific questions, just ask.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sutty:
Do I really need to grow a lot of hair? </font>

Only facial, and not the scruffy stubble you have.

Loomer

Don't mind him - Go Linux(SuSE is what I use and is grand) but seriously I will get round to BSD one of these days. There are other topics on this UNIX board so I won't regurgitate them.

Loomer

P.S. Can I have a job at your place

sutty

JustHalf.....How do you know what I look like?!?!?!?!......did you get my image off that inteeerrrrnet?

thanks for the help btw, If i do get into it (and get time) I will ask a lot of questions)

Loomer....you can have mine
I'm thinking of leaving to go around the USA with El_Pres for a month

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Ciaran Sutcliffe
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http://www.hotinternetvirgins.com

logic1

Any of the O' Reilly (In a nut shell) books are a good place to go. Very informative.

.logic.

logic1

Actually the absolute best way to learn it is to install it on your home pc and use it!!

.logic.

JustHalf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sutty:
JustHalf.....How do you know what I look like?!?!?!?!......did you get my image off that inteeerrrrnet? </font>

Minds Lan.

Ronin

Logic is correct the only way you'll truely learn is to install it and play around with it...

reading the freebsd handbook is all well and good but if you don't actually play with it your only learning half what you should learn.

Hands on experience is the only way to learn.

Ro

sutty

Yeah, I've always found that the best way too. Just after posting that, I found a Proliant server in the back of our com's room(yeah you heard me right, I found it) anyway its a p(something or other)233 with 64 megs of ram and a 4 gig hd. My boss said I could have it to mess around on as it wont run any NT servers on it. So what do you's think, will it make a good box for messing up on?

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Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sutty:
I found a Proliant server in the back of our com's room(yeah you heard me right, I found it) anyway its a p(something or other)233 with 64 megs of ram and a 4 gig hd.
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Linux or BSD should run fine on this.

JustHalf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Skeptic1:
Linux or BSD should run fine on this.</font>

Yep. Install FreeBSD or me and Phil will beat you up.

It's true that the only way you'll learn Unix is to mess around - and it's fun (eventually)

koriordan

Uh huh ... mess around, script things lots, and don't log in as root.

If I had to recommend a book, I'd say Unix Power Tools. Even if ya don't wanna buy it, at least have a flick thru it just to see the cool "browser-style" indexing.

moist

Yeah, the best way to learn is to get your hands dirty.
Actually I've always found that I learn the best when somthing breaks and I end up delving in deeper to fix it.

I thought Sams UNIX Unleashed was pretty good
when I read a chunk of it about 2 years ago...

These days I just refear to online docs...
you just can't grep a dead tree :-)

AzReAl

Is free bsd on sale in the shops?I can never find it.All I got is linux

Ronin

You most likely won't find any of the BSD's in the shops, or books on them for that matter.

Try get someone to burn you off a copy is most likely your best way to get it.

Ro

teac!

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JustHalf:
Yep. Install FreeBSD or me and Phil will beat you up.
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Me?

Phil.

JustHalf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by teac!:
Me?</font>

Gerry.

Kix

Yep, I again concur. Get your hands dirty. Perhaps it's a lot easier than it used to be but I learned all I know setting up Slackware Linux systems (back in '95 mind, so it's probably much much easier now). I got a lot more experience later on with SCO, HP-UX, Ultrix, OSF1/Digital/Compaq Unix, IRIX, etc.

Just getting some packages running and installing unusual hardwear like IDE tape drives made me learn fast If you start with ls, cd and man you'll be OK

K

vac

Unix for dummies? i beleave thats what logic's reading atm..

(he only looks at the pictures)

moist

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AzReAl:
Is free bsd on sale in the shops?I can never find it.All I got is linux</font>

I don't recall ever seeing it in shops, though I haven't actually been looking (the joys of working on a leased line )
However it may be included on CD with generic UNIX books, I think it was on the UNIX Unleashed book by Sams that I picked up a while ago.
If you are on a slow connection and don't have any nice friends to burn you a copy you could always order a CD off the likes of Wallnut(??) Creek.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ronin:
You most likely won't find any of the BSD's in the shops, or books on them for that matter.</font>

Well there is always "The Complete FreeBSD Manual" and they also do a paper copy of the handbook.

To be fair, the *BSD's have somewhat missed out on the whole book frenzy that Linux has,
although I don't think they have sufferd a whole lot as a result.

Perhaps if and when snaggle gets up off his **** he might corner this niche market

Ronin

I meant in any shops in Dublin ..or any of the bigger ones at least, although i might be wrong..

You can find them online alright.

Ro

Ronin

Revenge of the FreeBSD..

The handbook has only recently improved itself, I remember reading it a few months ago and it didn't explain some of the topics that it should have.

Have you checked out linux.org lately? Seems to be fairly well laid out to me.

As for manpages, they'll always be cryptic and some will made no sense what so ever.

Its fairly easy to find out info on any of the distro's all you have to do is look. the ldp is a good place to start.

Ro

phil

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by moist:
To be fair, the *BSD's have somewhat missed out on the whole book frenzy that Linux has,
although I don't think they have sufferd a whole lot as a result.
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FreeBSD has far better written documentation than Linux. FreeBSD man pages are explained better and more down to earth than the GNU hippies that write the Linux ones (sorry, had to get that in there ;P)
The FreeBSD handbook is a central resource for stuff, and it's maintained by the FreeBSD team. I know all this open source Linux tree huggin' stuff is all about spreading the love (as well as the workload), so everyone contributes, but that doesn't always mean well documented or written code gets produced.

The FreeBSD project is very organised, a central core of developers, central core of documentation projects, even looking at the FreeBSD homepage, it's very well laid out.
I won't comment on OpenBSD, since my only contact with it has been using it, I very rarely need to go to documentation for it, nor have I had experience with any of it's team.

Phil.