Do you call with K K?

jimbling

yesterday on empire poker.... .25/.50 6 player NL holdem. Within the first 10 hands... and didnt know too much about this player but seemed very aggressive (the crazy type... not the good type).
Villian had $46
I had $52
I was dealt pocket kings. He was in 2nd position, i was in late position. He raised to $1. I reraised to $3. Everyone else folds.
He reraised all in for $45.....

should I call?

Culchie

Oh sweet Jaysus, YES !

You are behind 1 hand....and ahead of every other hand.

If you don't call this, you have no balls for poker !

Lplate

You're in front of everything bar one hand. If you already have him pegged as lag after 10 hands then the range of hands he might have is huge. It's an autocall imo and if you do run into Aces or get outdrawn so be it.

jimbling

lol... i thought that would be the reply....

well yes, I did call. And to my absolute astonishment.. the guy is holding A 7s... and to further my astonishment, he takes it down with a flush A high.

stomach churning.

3 hands later... he pulled the same move. This time I had A Ko. I called again, he showed J 7s... guess what... he got the flush again...

I know this should prob please me.. that there are such muppets playing poker... but when they seem to almost always get it against you.....well..... I nearly quit poker.....

jimbling

Just on a side note:

about the calling with K K. I was reading an article somewhere (sorry cant remember where) recently, that was making the point that a poker player is not yet a good poker player until they have folded K K against A A pre-flop. This is what really got me to thinking about that question.

Because I did have another scenario the other day, in a 10 handed cash game. Where this guy went all in after my $5 raise. I knew the guy prob had the aces... but still called. And lost.

Any opinions on that scenario.....

Iago

In my opinion the only way you're laying down KK preflop is if you've a great profile on the player you're up against, and I mean really great, you'd want to have played with him enough to recognize his betting patterns almost blind...

or in a multi action preflop hand. If you have one guy push and another call and another push/call then you have to assume that AA is a strong possibility in one of the hands.

Neither of the situations above qualifies, as far as I'm concerned.

Culchie

jimbling wrote:

lol... i thought that would be the reply....

well yes, I did call. And to my absolute astonishment.. the guy is holding A 7s... and to further my astonishment, he takes it down with a flush A high.

stomach churning.

3 hands later... he pulled the same move. This time I had A Ko. I called again, he showed J 7s... guess what... he got the flush again...

I know this should prob please me.. that there are such muppets playing poker... but when they seem to almost always get it against you.....well..... I nearly quit poker.....

Just stick the guy in your buddy list, and follow that meal ticket around

TacT

The only way you're laying down KK to an all-in preflop is if you're sure he's got bullets. The only way to be sure is that you already know that this player won't put you all-in with anything less.

On another note, I'm sick of AA at VC/PP because they constantly get cracked by rubbish like 44/55 hitting a set. I had a table of limpers on a $3 raise at the .50/1 tables there a few nights back when I had a $220 stack accumulated. I pushed my bullets for stack and get one caller with about the same size stack holding pocket 4's. He hits a set of course!

Likewise scenario happens afterwards against 66 and then ditto when I'm up against KK, all-in preflop.

Later on I have a few limpers and reraise the pot to $10 with my KK, some guy puts me all-in, I call, he flips over A9s. Ace comes along downtown.

Talk about a heavy couple of days. I felt like I was robbed and beaten by some scumbag.

Gotta love that RNG, it's great! :rolleyes:

mewso

1. Did you add him to your buddy list (if you can)?
2. Whats his nick? Might be worth signing up to play this chump.

I don't know who wrote that nonsense about folding KK. Unless your opponent stops everything and puts on a t-shirt with the words pocket rockets on it and only does this when he has Aces then you are always going to call.

jimbling

Culchie wrote:

Just stick the guy in your buddy list, and follow that meal ticket around

lol.... dont need to... its etched in my memory forever.... have done a search for him every time ive logged on since... havent found him though....

jimbling

last night in a live game... got dealt pocket rockets... the player to my right was semi-low stacked... as was I. I managed to get him to push pre-flop. He almost crys when i call him. He flops over 45s.... i happily throw down my A A.

flop 2 3 8 rainbow......

turn 6 ....

river Q...

leaves me with 200 in chips and a mountain to climb... lol... which i managed to do and came second in the end.

roryc

Never actually seen anyone fold KK preflop before. I saw someone fold Queens preflop to an all-in. Was about a year ago in the Merrion, and this lad who was obviously just learning how to play went all in. Another lad, a regular, thought about it for a while and eventually folded, showing the Queens. The young lad then dutifully turned over the rockets. We all congratulated him on such a great lay down.

Now at the time i thought that this was a great fold, but looking back it was pretty obvious that the lad had something. He was really fidgety and his hand was shaking a little bit. All the same being a beginner he could have had A K, 10 10, J J, or maybe even Q Q. Suppose it was a pretty good laydown.

I think it would have been a lot harder to fold K K in that situation, and against a seasoned pro? Cant see how you could. You would need to be 100% sure he has A A.

Also, even if you do fold, he probably wont show his cards, and he could really fcuk your head up by looking really relieved as if he had nothing. Would really be a legend though if you made that call and he showed.....

NickyOD

jimbling wrote:

Just on a side note:

about the calling with K K. I was reading an article somewhere (sorry cant remember where) recently, that was making the point that a poker player is not yet a good poker player until they have folded K K against A A pre-flop. This is what really got me to thinking about that question.

Because I did have another scenario the other day, in a 10 handed cash game. Where this guy went all in after my $5 raise. I knew the guy prob had the aces... but still called. And lost.

Any opinions on that scenario.....

Never fold KK preflop in those cash games. Never. My KK has walkined into Aces preflop twice this week, but they make up for it the times they meet complete ****.

The point about foling them is really more to do with high stacked tournament play.

chopper1981

I was playing a .10/.20$ NL cash game on Ladbrookes last night was second biggest stack with about $40, biggest just a little more and next to play after me. I got dealt KK and raised $3 had 3 callers including biggest stack with the last guy to call all in with about $10. So I went all in to make sure no one else calls but everyone else at the table calls including biggest stack. I knew this was trouble as soon as I had so many callers, sure one had AA and another KK. Turned out myself and the big stack had KK and the original all in had rubish and the 4th guy who was in for about $25 had A7. And of course an Ace is flopped on the river. But at least got it back up to $50, nice table too many people only to willing to go all in with nothing.

karlh

i folded KK preflop after a raise before me, in a cash game on Pokerstars yesterday



misclicked back into the window and folded by mistake. he showed JJ!