when is the next an fainne meeting

sugardaddy

as i mentioned in a previous post i badly need hands on help and i was wondering when the next an fainne meeting would be?is it on tuesday the 12th of july?im only guessing this because it says its on in the teachers club at 36 parnell square dublin 1 on another post .anybody know of that or anything different? i am only 18 years of age and just finished school and my parents or friends would just laugh at me annd dissaprove me going to something like this but im not a child so of course i will go anyway.but even still i would prefer it if they didnt know where i was going so its important that i know the date and time of this.i would need to leave at about ten or half ten to get home without anybody questioning me that much.i was just wondering has/is anyone in a similar position to me?i hated the way catholism and people have almost persecuted other religions.

Talliesin

Oops. The [thread=255432]Regular Moots in Ireland[/thread] sticky had the wrong day, a typo on my part. An Fáinne meets on the second Thursday of the month, so the next will be the 14th.

Talliesin

sugardaddy wrote:

i would need to leave at about ten or half ten

Generally the group would have retired to the pub by this point. You could leave in the middle of the earlier meeting if you had to, they are relatively informal meetings, not rituals after all.

Obviously arriving punctually, and staying until the meeting closes would make for less interuptions to the rest of the group, but there's always at least one person late anyway. (Bloody Pagans! )

sugardaddy

thanx im going to try my best to get there.but i have a job interveiw on wednesday and i may end up working nights

NeilJ

Good Luck with the Job Interview

Neil

sugardaddy

thanx a lot i have the interview on wednesday ill let u know how it goes.i realy need a job to bring in money to help go to things like this and buy books etc. relating to paganism

Talliesin

sugardaddy wrote:

i realy need a job to bring in money to help go to things like this and buy books etc. relating to paganism

The moot costs €4. That's a donation to cover costs, if you are of limited means have a word with the organiser.

Books can teach you a lot, but only so much can be put in a book. You're better off with none than with too many.

Where having a job will help you with Paganism though, is in making you more independent and capable of standing on your own two feet and making your own decisions in life.

sugardaddy

no i need a job to pay for things like the books and stuff and i should b able to afford the admission fee of 4 EURO.THANX .MAYBE I WILL SEE U THERE HOPEFULLY I WONT HAVE TO WORK NIGHTS OR ON A THURSDAY.OH AND BY THE WAY I MEANT TO ASK PEOPLE WHERE CAN I GET BOOKS ON PAGANISM?WILL THERE BE ANY FOR SALE NEXT THURSDAY?OR IS THERE A SHOP IN DUBLIN SELLING BOOKS ON WITCHCRAFT AND PAGANISM ETC.I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A PLACE WHERE I CAN GET INGREDIANTS FOR SPELLS ETC. DOES ANYBODY KNOW OF ANY?

sugardaddy

I WAS ALSO WONDERING IF THERE IS A CERTAIN TOPIC BEING DISCUSSED AND WHAT EXACTLY WILL HAPPEN LIKE THE LAYOUT OF IT ALL eg,THE PEOPLE SPEAKING AND WHAT THEY WILL MAINLY TALK ABOUT

Talliesin

Okay first off, STOP SHOUTING. It's one thing to ignore the shift key like you have been doing previously (though if you intend to start doing magic you should work more on acting with intent) and that's not something I would criticise, BUT TYPING IN ALL CAPITALS LIKE THIS IS CONSIDERED RUDE, just as shouting at someone sitting near to you in a quiet place is. Please use your indoor voice.

Books on Paganism can be found in most good bookshops. House of Astrology and Yellow Brick Road also have some. Most books on Paganism suck, tbh, especially most of those with a cresent moon on the spine. Take a look through earlier threads in this forum for people's recommendations (when you're on the forum's main page there is a selection box near the bottom of the page under "Display Options" labelled "From the". Select "Beginning", click "Show Threads" and you'll be able to search more threads than the default settings allow. You'll see me mention Professor Hutton's Triumph of the Moon more than once, because I think it's bloody excellent.

There will not be any on sale on Thursday, moots are not commercial events.

You can find ingredients for spells in shops, fields, kitchens, or anything from extremely expensive specialist gem wholesalers and craftsmen and women who will do custom work to having no ingredients but your own will, intent and intellect.

The format the An Fáinne moots take is that someone will have written an article on some topic. Someone will do an opening ceremony - something short and simple, generally from whatever tradition they work in, though people often use the openings as an opportunity for a bit of experimentation.

Then there will be a bit of a discussion on the topic in question, though a bit of wandering off topic isn't frowned on too much (as long as it happens naturally enough, rather than someone just suddenly talking about something completely irrelevant).

Then there's a closing ceremony, again something short and simple, and finally the most important bit - going to the pub

sugardaddy

thanx thats a great help.and sorry about the SHOUTING i did nt know it was that and that it was offending anyone

Suaimhneach

It seems this months moot will have a few new people attending. Lets hope they're all as patient as you are Talliesin.

rcunning03

sugardaddy wrote:

no i need a job to pay for things like the books and stuff and i should b able to afford the admission fee of 4 EURO.THANX .MAYBE I WILL SEE U THERE HOPEFULLY I WONT HAVE TO WORK NIGHTS OR ON A THURSDAY.OH AND BY THE WAY I MEANT TO ASK PEOPLE WHERE CAN I GET BOOKS ON PAGANISM?WILL THERE BE ANY FOR SALE NEXT THURSDAY?OR IS THERE A SHOP IN DUBLIN SELLING BOOKS ON WITCHCRAFT AND PAGANISM ETC.I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A PLACE WHERE I CAN GET INGREDIANTS FOR SPELLS ETC. DOES ANYBODY KNOW OF ANY?

Easons on O'Connell St is pretty good, a book I found interesting is the real witches handbook by Kate West, explains the whole thing very well, if your new to paganism.


I'm also going to go on Thursday, I've had a few concerns about going in the pass, What sort of age group is it ? etc. and that whole awkardness thing about meeting new people, but I went to the solstice in Tara in 2004 and people seemed to be really nice.


Your being smart in deciding not to tell your folks, cause if you told them straight out, either they would try getting a rapping trendy priest to show you that christainity isn't all about suffering, or they will just dismiss your beliefs cause of your age. Slowly let them find out by leaving the occasional book beside your bed or by putting up celtic posters. If you do decide to tell them straight out or let them figure it out, that book by Kate West explains away the myths of paganism in a rational and "normal" manner.

sugardaddy

thanx u mention a book there by kate west ,but u did nt mention the name of it and if u could how much the book costs u.i dont i will tell my parents anything about paganism and that they really would nt understand,and this my first encounter with any kind of paganism or that.like i know exactly what u mean when u say that u will b nervous at this months moot.i amm going to b petrified with fear.im usully not nervous at all about meeting new people but with this its a completely new thing but im hopingt that people will b friendly enough as people here on the this site seem pretty helpfull and understanding.thanx

Nevyn

The moot is on this thursday it is really meant to be 18s and old as it is held in a premises with a bar. 16 year old have been permitted before but they had to leave directly afterwards, you may wish to email the moot organiser if that is the case ( sontact details can be found in the stickie on moots).

The moot is run really well and the organiser Marion Rose will do an intro and a quick getting to know peoples names excerise to get people settled.
The topic if I recall is 'Legends of our lands', which gives great scope.

I hope to be there, Talliesin & I dont run it we will be there just to take part like everybody else.

oh and Kate West.

http://www.twpt.com/katewest.htm
http://www.harpercollins.com.au/title.cfm?ISBN=0007105150&Author=0017739

sugardaddy

thanx im going to get one of the books by kate west,and ill see how it is.oh and i am 18 years of age but ill have to leave at about half ten because i have to get the train home and i cant tell my parents where i will be so im just going to say that im goingbowling with some friends

Suaimhneach

rcunning03 wrote:

I'm also going to go on Thursday, I've had a few concerns about going in the past, What sort of age group is it ? etc. and that whole awkardness thing about meeting new people, but I went to the solstice in Tara in 2004 and people seemed to be really nice.

That's cool. That means there is three new people to the group, so we can all be new together. I was at Tara for the Soltice for the last two years and generally speaking, it's hard to come by someone who isn't really nice, thankfully.

See you all there so.

Kevin_rc_ie

would i be right in thinking this would be a good place to score?

will i have to read some book about magic or paganism to have a chance?

rcunning03

Kevin_rc_ie wrote:

would i be right in thinking this would be a good place to score?

will i have to read some book about magic or paganism to have a chance?

If you believe hollywood, all pagans are sex mad teens who just want to worship the gods by having sex and getting stoned and will do anything cause they have no morals.

If you believe that, I think your leaving yourself open to bitter disappointment.

Kevin_rc_ie

that's a no then? pity.

Nevyn

That is a no and it will also get you a warning
Read the Charter amend your ways or get banned.
Have a nice day,
Thaed

Kevin_rc_ie

i've read this

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=74127

i was just inquiring about the pagan community in a OT manner.

Have a nice day,
Kevin :-)

Talliesin

Okay, if we ever decide to unban you then next time read the charter carefully.

Talliesin

Jesjes wrote:

I was at Tara for the Soltice for the last two years and generally speaking, it's hard to come by someone who isn't really nice, thankfully.

Well, you haven't met have me

rcunning03 wrote:

...who just want to worship the gods by having sex and getting stoned

Not a bad way to worship the gods, but really there are easier ways of getting laid or high. Nor is trying to get laid and high a suitable attitude to the Great Rite, sex magic or enthogens* - doing either with the wrong people or for the wrong reasons will mess you up in so many different ways. If you're into sex and drugs your going to find it much better to stay at home, smoke a joint, masturbate and then make some toast.

*No, I'm not the same Jon Hanna that you'll come across if you start researching enthogens, though some of his work seems pretty interesting.

Nevyn

i was just inquiring about the pagan community in a OT manner.

You say OT
I'd say insulting.
Just because we are not Christian does not mean we don’t have morals,
an it harm none applies to the danger and harm that can happen with one night stands.
Just because a lot of pagan beliefs are earth and fertility bases does not mean
we would take a tumble with anyone.

Suaimhneach

Talliesin wrote:

Well, you haven't met have me

Great so, I have somthing to look forward to so!!

Heh, you can't scare me!!

Nevyn

dont tempt him

Suaimhneach

He can scare Sugardaddy instead!!

arrietty

Well... I'm gonna try and be there this Thursday, anyway. Never been to a meeting like this and I don't know anyone there, but I love talking to strangers so fingers crossed it should be alright.

NeilJ

Sugardaddy on the subject of books, you don't need to go off spending lots of money. Dublin City Library had an ok selection. So if you're a member and you see a book you like in a shop, take down the name and author and then you can go online to http://libcat.dublincity.ie/dublinc/catalogue/home-frame.form and see if it's available. You'd be surprised what turns up, granted it might be on loan but you can reserve it and just wait a bit. It'll save you €15+. Also Waterstones has an ok selection of stuff, and there is always Yellow Brick Road on the quays. The books are in the far right corner.

Neil

Nevyn

arrietty wrote:

Well... I'm gonna try and be there this Thursday, anyway. Never been to a meeting like this and I don't know anyone there, but I love talking to strangers so fingers crossed it should be alright.

Look forward to meeting you so.

arrietty

Thaed wrote:

Look forward to meeting you so.

Great! Likewise.

sugardaddy

thanx neilj.do u think that i should read some books on paganism before going to a moot or not?

Suaimhneach

Ah, I'm sure it'd do you no harm to have a general idea before entering the general meeting, but then, its not a requirement I am sure.

You said "i badly need hands on help and i was wondering when the next an fainne meeting would be?", I think maybe it is important to point out the meeting has a topic, its "legends of our lands" as far as I know, but I am sure you can get some help there as well.

Neil J, thats a great tip in general. I just finished reading Lora O'Briens book "Irish Witchcraft from an Irish Witch" and I thought it was fantastic, and it has left me with an urge to read more, which is fantastic. So I might just do as you've suggested as well!! Being a student bum makes if difficult to buy books.

Arrietty, glad there is someone else going who shant be intimidated, tis not very often you meet people who are chatty with strangers!

Looking forward to this more and more now.

Talliesin

Moots are public, open meetings. The only requirement is that you act with respect to the other attendees, pay your part of the cost of hiring the room, and generally not be an asshole.

Some moots prefer people not to drink before hand, but the An Fáinne moot has no such rule, indeed most of us will be found having a quick one in the bar beforehand. Obviously, getting drunk is a different matter.

Talliesin

Jesjes wrote:

Neil J, thats a great tip in general. I just finished reading Lora O'Briens book "Irish Witchcraft from an Irish Witch" and I thought it was fantastic, and it has left me with an urge to read more, which is fantastic.

Lora's book is one of the best new books on Witchcraft or Paganism that I've seen, and heartily recommened.

To my mind it highlights what's wrong with a lot of recent Pagan writing by not following what has become a formula. Unlike a lot of recent stuff it doesn't make impressive claims about the author's experience (quite the opposite, she modestly distances herself from some of the stuff she's done that isn't what she does now), doesn't claim to speak for more people than she does, backs up the factual stuff with proper references and is frank and open (at a couple of points, movingly so) about the personal stuff, and keeps opinion and personal experience properly separate from research and scholarship.

Really, it's what a beginner-accessible book on Craft should be, and sadly so often isn't.

NeilJ

As Jes said the moots are topic based. Therefore if you go you will mainly be hearing stuff about the topic of the month, this months being Legends of the Land. But you would still pick up stuff about general Paganism at each moot, however it would tend to be in the context of the topic being discussed. Over time you will certainly learn a fair bit. To be honest though it's really up to you whether you go or not. It would definetly be easier to follow the flow of conversation by way of terminology used if you already knew a bit. That being said if you didn't understand what someone was saying there is no harm in asking. One thing that is not tolerated however is specific questions directed at one individual at the moot, a "What do YOU believe?" type of question as opposed to general questions thrown out for anyone to answer. But if you do go you may well meet someone who is perpared to maybe teach you somethings or at the very least recommend people or books to try. So as I said it's really up to you as to whether you go tommorrow or try reading a bit and continuing to chat to people and maybe go in a few months when you feel you know a bit more about Paganism in general.

Neil

sugardaddy

thanx i might do that i think id like to read up on paganism more before going to a moot and im a bit low on funds and so im out of an excuse to tell my parents where im going so im going to leave it to next month thanx.sorry to let u down like this

NeilJ

I wouldn't worry about it. Take it as a sign. I knew about the moots for about a year before I finally went. Good luck book hunting and a last bit of advice. Don't take the first thing you read as gospel and read, read, read. The more you do the easier it is to spot the bu**$&!t from the not so bu**$&!t :rolleyes:

Good Luck,
Neil

Suaimhneach

I'd offer to lend you my copy of "Irish Witchcraft from an Irish Witch" Sugardaddy, but its a signed copy to me personally,so not a hope I am letting it go.

Yeah, I'd agree with you Talliesin with what you said. I was really moved by some of the stuff and very impressed with other things. For example talking about the Irish language, when she says [paraphrased] how "it is rude and ignorant at best to talk to the gods in the language of their oppresors". And to at least have respect for them and learn a few words. A lot of strong words alright. I also liked her take on the stages of life as I kind of had something very similar to what she suggests, entirely by coincidence.

sugardaddy

thanx jesjes but thsts okay ,do u mind telling me what was the first thing u did when u were starting off ?lie did u just go out and get books on witchcraft and that or did u have the help of somebody,right now im trying to find outt what should be my first step to take and ill try to do that as soon as possible

Nevyn

read, read and read some more, then go back and read what you have already read with the new stuff you have figured out/learned.

Suaimhneach

Well Sugardaddy,

I didn't really get into it myself, more I grew up around it, in a way. I started on my own path at about 16 by taking part in activities that I knew were happening. I had a general knowledge from talking to people and from watching a lot, and learning from that.

One the first books I ever came into contact with was a crock of *shíte*. My cousin had it and was proclaiming herself to be a witch and doing spells and stuff. I didn't tell her I was on the same path [pagan, not wiccan/witch] because she obviously wasn't really tehre at all.

Reading, online or books is good. Watching and learning is great. It all sinks in really.

Thaed, seeing as I aint meeting the lads before the meeting, I'm free so expect me to meet you as soon as ya get into town!

Best of luck with your reading and such Sugardaddy

Nevyn

The moot went well last night, not that many people there as other evenings
but it is july and people have plans and lives apparently.

rcunning03 it was nice to meet you and put a face to the poster,
hopefully we will get to talk more another time.

Jesjes nice to meet you at last.

The topic for the next moots is Lughnasa.

arrietty

Thaed wrote:

The moot went well last night, not that many people there as other evenings
but it is july and people have plans and lives apparently.

Grrr I wanted to go... last minute I couldn't, because of work commitments. Frustrating. Ah well, these things happen.

Thaed wrote:

The topic for the next moots is Lughnasa.

I'll be there. I hope.

rcunning03

Thaed wrote:

The moot went well last night, not that many people there as other evenings
but it is july and people have plans and lives apparently.

rcunning03 it was nice to meet you and put a face to the poster,
hopefully we will get to talk more another time.

Jesjes nice to meet you at last.

The topic for the next moots is Lughnasa.