Bad Karma (Karma is Bad)

Son of Blam · 06-07-2001 8:25am #1

I think you should get rid of those whole karma system altogether. If a moderator wants to reprimand somebody who posted to the boards, they should just mail them privately.

This whole "giving them bad karma points" is like giving out to them in front of everybody, which is something I'd hope the mods on boards.ie would refrain from doing, seeing as it's counter productive and only makes the "victim" even more ****ed off rather than showing him the error of his ways privately.

As for "giving out good karma points", once again this is un-needed as if somebody makes a good post surely they don't need to be given a prize or an award. Surely it should be taken for granted that most of us try out best to be helpful and informative at all times.

So I put it to you (with the aid of a shotgun if you disagree with me), get rid of the karma points system. It doth rigthly sucketh.

-Son of Blam

entropi · 06-07-2001 8:39am

nah, it's ok. just pretend it's not here at-all and carry on posting.

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[Jackass] · 06-07-2001 9:04am

No, i think the karma idea is excellent ,and getting rid of displaying the number of posts you have also ,because now people have an incentave to post nicely and get a good karma ,and the incentive to post to raise your post account is now gone, so newbies have a new goal ,and more positive goal to aim at!

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logic1 · 06-07-2001 9:15am

Excellant post Son_of_Blam. Good Karma added to you.

.logic.

fisty · 10-07-2001 2:12pm

I completely agree with Blam.
i think the karma system should be removed all together.
Having good / negative karma doesn't mean anything if its only opinionated moderators warning or congratulating you because they may agree / disagree with points you make in some posts. Who says their opinion is valid over mine?
You?
Well I disagree.
*Waits for predictable negative karma*

LegacyUser · 10-07-2001 2:26pm

Well as seen as post count is gone now..I
think that the Karma is taking over.
It makes posters try and get Karma when they get it they want to keep it. Maybe this will allow people to be more serious on boards and when they lose a Karma they do want it back as we have all ready seen from numerous posts on the admin boards all I am trying to say is I think it is a good Idea and it will make people act like mature young adults

but as we have seen that rules out the mods such as amp

Hobbes · 10-07-2001 2:52pm

I personally like it. I can see quickly who's a muppet and I can see what annoyed other admins before.

Also consider + points as Get out of Jail, as if your score = 0 no one can see the comments.

Take Crash for example, he almost the same amount of negative points as he does positive points showing and most of his points are related to testing the karma system in the first place.

Lastly consider it a game. Each moderator can get annoyed at certain things and some mods give you back your karma if you resolve the problem.

Crash Karma points
Issuer Amount Reason 
Vexorg +1 you are so grogous 
Hobbes +1 Ok for a muppet I guess  [img]http://www.boards.ie/bulletin/wink.gif[/img] 
Cloud +1 Test. 
Stephen +1 (1:30) :: Crash0r: give me one 
(1:30) :: Crash0r:  [img]http://www.boards.ie/bulletin/smile.gif[/img] 
(1:30) :: Crash0r: gwan 
logic1 +1 You rock the kasbah. 
Rev Hellfire +1 He said he'd kill the kittens if I didnt 
Mills +1 Thats a good boy, telling us about all the boldness. Have some positive karma 
meglome +1 you just annoyed me into it 
Koopa +1 due to confusion 
DeVore -1 For Karma rigging.... 

DeV 
Cloud -1 Test. 
Kharn -1 Because I can  [img]http://www.boards.ie/bulletin/tongue.gif[/img]Pp

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Jug-A-Lug · 10-07-2001 3:10pm

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Shinji · 10-07-2001 4:34pm

It's a good idea. It encourages people to be helpful and to keep their tempers, rather than encouraging them to post massive amounts of spam like the old post count system did.

The only thing moderators need to be careful about is being sure that they're as quick to hand out good karma for helpful posts as they are to hand out bad karma for muppetry.

Slydice · 10-07-2001 5:32pm

The karma system sucks

http://www.boards.ie/bulletin/Forum24/HTML/000297.html

http://www.boards.ie/bulletin/Forum24/HTML/000304.html

moderators stand up for each other, ( thats ok ) but they probably bad karma people for each other.

In the second url Bard said private disputes should be mailed about. I aggree with that.

How about a forgive system whereby users ( non admins or moderators ) can forgive a bad karma that was given to someone else if they are in agreement with the persons post, naturally a reason for the forgive would have to be there.

Otherwise OUT WITH THE KARMA SYSTEM ( in my opinion )

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Hobbes · 10-07-2001 6:10pm

moderators stand up for each other, ( thats ok ) but they probably bad karma people for each other.

Erm, no we don't. Also we can't give negative karma on a thread if an another admin has already done so. So if you get a negative it's pretty bad, if you get more then your in trouble.

In the second url Bard said private disputes should be mailed about. I aggree with that.

And if you go the thread that Repli is talking about he does in fact abuse a user.

How about a forgive system

It's already in place and used. While you can't see it any moderator has the ability to forgive by giving the person a +1 afterwards. I have done this at least twice (Renton being one of those).

I also throw a karma point on a person if they have a valid argument. In the case of your first link I didn't see the thread in question. In the case of the second link I personally felt it was a justified warn.

Bard · 10-07-2001 6:19pm

Originally posted by Hobbes:
Also we can't give negative karma on a thread if an another admin has already done so.

We can if they've posted on that thread a number of times.

To correct you (sorry!) - we can't give negative karma on a posting if another admin or moderator has already done so.

Bard

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Slydice · 10-07-2001 6:21pm

Cheers bard

"Erm, no we don't. Also we can't give negative karma on a thread if an another admin has already done so. So if you get a negative it's pretty bad, if you get more then your in trouble. "

right ok i didnt know

" In the second url Bard said private disputes should be mailed about. I aggree with that.

And if you go the thread that Repli is talking about he does in fact abuse a user.
"

Still im talking about mail only , no public display of karma, mail the user and mail an admin or something

" How about a forgive system

It's already in place and used. While you can't see it any moderator has the ability to forgive by giving the person a +1 afterwards. I have done this at least twice (Renton being one of those).

I also throw a karma point on a person if they have a valid argument. In the case of your first link I didn't see the thread in question. In the case of the second link I personally felt it was a justified warn.

"

How about a forgive system whereby

users ( non admins or moderators )

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bugler · 10-07-2001 6:30pm

Take Crash for example, he almost the same amount of negative points as he does positive points showing and most of his points are related to testing the karma system in the first place.

Eh? Crash is plus 5 is he not? The helpful bástard

Karma seems a bit pants, but eh....I don't mind.Each man to his own.

LegacyUser · 10-07-2001 6:32pm

I dont know where My Karma came from but I would like them to stay and not go

Kali · 10-07-2001 6:36pm

As far as im concerned moderators hsould stick to their own baords when giving out karma... I generally don't bother with it at all unless theres an extremely helpful post on technology..

Hobbes · 10-07-2001 7:12pm

Originally posted by Bard:
To correct you (sorry!) - we can't give negative karma on a posting if another admin or moderator has already done so.

Ooh didn't know that. Everytime I've tried to reset the karma it's been on the same post.

Hobbes · 10-07-2001 7:22pm

Originally posted by Slydice:
How about a forgive system whereby

Erk, best way to prove a democracy doesn't work is to ask a voter thier opinion.

Shinji · 10-07-2001 8:46pm

How about a forgive system whereby users ( non admins or moderators ) can forgive a bad karma that was given to someone else if they are in agreement with the persons post, naturally a reason for the forgive would have to be there.

No, that opens the possibility for muppets wrecking a board with flaming each other and then forgiving each other. A la Renton and Red_Ice.

Slydice · 10-07-2001 10:14pm

which brings me back to

Otherwise OUT WITH THE KARMA SYSTEM ( in my opinion )

Evil Phil · 10-07-2001 10:17pm

I generally don't give out karma on other boards although I have done. Seeing as this is so unpopular I'll stop. Unless it's is situation like Saturday nights where a muppet is giving serious trouble ala WhiteLancer.

Lucy_la_morte · 11-07-2001 8:43am

The Karma system is grand, it does highlight trouble makers for other admins. All the people against it shouldn't mind having negative karma since they disregard it anyway.

One thing I would like is to be able to see my own Karma history.. I have no idea how my karma went from 0 to 2 and then back down to 1.

It's just a tail, but I'm sort of attached to it.

Lucy la morte.

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Hobbes · 11-07-2001 10:39am

Originally posted by Lucy_la_morte:
One thing I would like is to be able to see my own Karma history.. I have no idea how my karma went from 0 to 2 and then back down to 1.

It's a bug as you don't have any negative points. Actually you should be a +4

DeVore · 11-07-2001 10:59am

Karma is here to stay I think. At least we're going to give it time to settle down...

DeV.

Slydice · 11-07-2001 5:13pm

Originally posted by DeVore:
Karma is here to stay I think. At least we're going to give it time to settle down...

DeV.

Eeep!!!!

WhiteWashMan · 11-07-2001 11:05pm

thats -1 karma to dev for having stupid flashy stars.

Your Imps Demand Cable...

MiCr0 · 11-07-2001 11:08pm

and -1 karma for wwman for insulting an admin...

logic1 · 11-07-2001 11:14pm

And -1 for Micro for giving -1 to WWman.

.logic.

WhiteWashMan · 11-07-2001 11:17pm

Originally posted by logic1:
And -1 for Micro for giving -1 to WWman.

.logic.

no hold on, this is very negative.

+1 karma to logic1 for giving micr0 -1 karma for giving me -1 karma for giving DeV -1 karma because he has stupid flashy stars

Lucy_la_morte · 11-07-2001 11:42pm

All these mods and their karma.

It's just a tail, but I'm sort of attached to it.

Lucy la morte.

.ak · 12-07-2001 1:21am

Nothing quite more effective then a public whipping... Doing it in private sort of lacks the effectiveness...

-Dark-Angel-

Bad Karma (Karma is Bad)

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