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Has anyone in Ireland been prosecuted for File Sharing?

  • 01-07-2005 1:44pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭


    Have they caught any and brought them to court?

    What was the outcome if any?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,790 ✭✭✭cornbb


    Yup, IRMA have been prosecuting people. Details here:

    http://www.rte.ie/arts/2005/0412/irma.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭Mr Rivers


    Does IRMA only look out for the interests of Irish acts? Did the 17 people get caught for sharing The Frames and Damien Rice?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭0utshined


    I predict that those cases, if they get off the ground, will all be settled out of court.

    Mr. Rivers, AFAIK they represent SONY, BMG et al so no, it's not just (or even) Irish artists they're looking out for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭DerekD Goldfish


    I doubt anyone will get done if they do though i may be in trouble as I share more than 4 times the amount they call excessive sharing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭skregs


    i heard that they're going after people that upload songs to personal websites as opposed to people using file-sharers.
    anyone know anything about how they're going after people?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,503 ✭✭✭Makaveli


    Look at the date on that article, 12th of April.
    They haven't been able to get anywhere because the ISPs wont disclose the personal information.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭Kare Bear


    What file sharing networks are the ***** after.I hope the limewire one is'nt a target.;)


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,581 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    Makaveli wrote:
    Look at the date on that article, 12th of April.
    They haven't been able to get anywhere because the ISPs wont disclose the personal information.
    The ISPs fear the Data Protection act far more than IRMA at the moment so there's little chance of them capitulating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭Serbian


    Kare Bear wrote:
    What file sharing networks are the ***** after.I hope the limewire one is'nt a target.;)

    I think BitTorrent is the easiest to target at the moment. I was under the impression that they hired an American Traffic Analysis specialist to monitor certain torrents and record the IPs of any Irish ISPs. People on UTV and NTL are probably safe from IRMA as the IP shows up as the UK.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭magpie


    ISPs won't hand over the details, so no court case.

    Its just IRMA trying to blow smoke up everyone's ass with vaguely worded press releases intended to imply culpability on the behalf of anyone using filesharers.

    Incidentally, its only illegal to upload files, it's 100% legal to download them, so if you're worried just turn off sharing on your fileshare software.

    Happy downloading.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭besty


    lets just hope there are no court injunctions put on the ISP's to provide the details of the customers...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭DjDangerousDave


    See attached clipping from Irish Times - Tuesday 5th July 2005 (Page 14)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭besty


    well they wont have a choice if the data commissioner deems it a breach of the right to protection of our details...

    we should all just threaten BT/Eircom that we will go to an ISP who wont bandy about our data.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 239 ✭✭nellieswellies


    Presumably there will be a court order, you're right they can't just hand over details on request but if there are reasonable grounds a court order could be granted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭DjDangerousDave


    magpie wrote:
    ISPs won't hand over the details, so no court case.

    Its just IRMA trying to blow smoke up everyone's ass with vaguely worded press releases intended to imply culpability on the behalf of anyone using filesharers.

    Incidentally, its only illegal to upload files, it's 100% legal to download them, so if you're worried just turn off sharing on your fileshare software.

    Happy downloading.

    100% Legal? What peice of Irish / International law would you say backs that up?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭magpie


    100% Legal?

    Well, that's what it used to say on the IRMA website before they got rid of that link. Allow me to paraphrase it "You won't get taken to court if you have sharing turned off"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭DjDangerousDave


    magpie wrote:
    Well, that's what it used to say on the IRMA website before they got rid of that link. Allow me to paraphrase it "You won't get taken to court if you have sharing turned off"

    Where and when?
    http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.irma.ie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭magpie


    The week that the cases were announced there was a little side panel saying "to avoid proescution turn off sharing on your p2p software"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭DjDangerousDave


    And what about NTL?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭ReefBreak


    From www.irma.ie

    8th July 2005 - IRMA Welcomes High Court Decision on Illegal File Sharers

    IRMA, the Irish Recorded Music Association, today welcomed the decision of the High Court in Dublin to compel a number of Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to release the names of the 17 individuals engaged in serial file sharing of music.

    This High Court action comes after 15 months of educational initiatives to raise awareness of the cultural and economic damage done by illegal file sharing. Abuse of copyright on the Internet has contributed to a EUR28 million drop in music sales in Ireland between 2001 and 2004.

    Speaking after the decision, Dick Doyle, Director General of IRMA commented: "We will now be writing to the 17 individuals informing them of the seriousness of their actions. We will offer them the opportunity of settling the action. If they refuse our settlement terms, we will be forced to pursue the matter through the Courts. This is a last resort for the music industry. We hope that this decision will jolt others, particularly parents of teenagers, to realise that unauthorised file sharing is illegal and has consequences".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Selik


    ReefBreak wrote:
    From www.irma.ie

    8th July 2005 - IRMA Welcomes High Court Decision on Illegal File Sharers

    IRMA, the Irish Recorded Music Association, today welcomed the decision of the High Court in Dublin to compel a number of Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to release the names of the 17 individuals engaged in serial file sharing of music.

    This High Court action comes after 15 months of educational initiatives to raise awareness of the cultural and economic damage done by illegal file sharing. Abuse of copyright on the Internet has contributed to a EUR28 million drop in music sales in Ireland between 2001 and 2004.

    Speaking after the decision, Dick Doyle, Director General of IRMA commented: "We will now be writing to the 17 individuals informing them of the seriousness of their actions. We will offer them the opportunity of settling the action. If they refuse our settlement terms, we will be forced to pursue the matter through the Courts. This is a last resort for the music industry. We hope that this decision will jolt others, particularly parents of teenagers, to realise that unauthorised file sharing is illegal and has consequences".

    Hmmm... Over the last few years I've purchased way more music BECAUSE of the fact that I could get songs for free over the internet or p2p! Maybe not the case for everyone but at the end of the day maybe they should look at the exorbitant cost of your average new release cd in the likes of HMV before coming up with such fizz. Oh and they're not even considering lifestyle change demographics along with websites such as Cdwow, Play and Amazon - I pretty much never buy a cd in a shop unless I can't find it online (to buy) or I'm in an extremely impatient mood (well... as impatient as one can get on a 1.5mb connection!) :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Gizmodeon


    I read the Irish times article
    the network they picked these people up on is called GNUTELLA
    This is a network used by Limewire!
    Completely freaked me out!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭MorningStar


    From what I can gather there is a movement over to FTP sharing. The P2P stuff is a bit annoying as you can never quite get what you want. After hearing samples I have gone out and bought CDs but as I get to know more people there is less of a need.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Mr Rivers wrote:
    Does IRMA only look out for the interests of Irish acts? Did the 17 people get caught for sharing The Frames and Damien Rice?

    No, the IRMA does not only 'look out for' Irish acts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 121 ✭✭Alpha505


    Ive heard the fines have been between 2 and 4 grand?


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,581 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    monument wrote:
    No, the IRMA does not only 'look out for' Irish acts.
    IRMA does not look out for acts. It looks out for the interests of labels, mainly the "big five".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 899 ✭✭✭Gegerty


    From what I can gather there is a movement over to FTP sharing. The P2P stuff is a bit annoying as you can never quite get what you want. After hearing samples I have gone out and bought CDs but as I get to know more people there is less of a need.

    You can use newsgroups. There's not as much material out there and you need to be tech savvy. It's better for movies. Newsgroups were what the internet used to be before the world wide web, its fast becoming the *safe* file sharing choice of alot of people. Oh, and there's no uploading and you also get lighteneing fast speeds :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭MorningStar


    Gegerty wrote:
    You can use newsgroups. There's not as much material out there and you need to be tech savvy. It's better for movies. Newsgroups were what the internet used to be before the world wide web, its fast becoming the *safe* file sharing choice of alot of people. Oh, and there's no uploading and you also get lighteneing fast speeds :)

    Agreed I don't think they are going to be able to stop this. The only hope is if they manage to bring out a new format that is copy protected but I can't see it happening.

    www.artofthemix.com

    People meet here and then do direct transfers a bit like the newsgroups but easier to find people with what you want. Good fun too. The record industry has to change it's model I don't think anybody disagrees.

    The weird thing is I would have though the porn industry would have a bigger copyright infrindgement on the net yet I didn't notice them going crazy?


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