Permission for child to leave the country.

MrPudding

My daughter is going to France to stay with her grandparents for a couple of weeks. My GF is going to meet them in England and they are going to travel to France from there.

Does anyone know if there is an issue with her leaving Ireland without me or England without either of us?

MrP

Victor

She will probably need her own passport and both/all parents/guardians will need to authorise travel.

How old is she? Some airlines have become iffy about unescorted minors.

del.hse

I assuming your a single parent, when you say, "meet them in England and they are going"...?

if this is the case, then, the mother cant take her child out of the county without your permission,
the mother with need your signature on a form, / I cant remember the number of this form- but it's
in the passport office, or garda station...

if your married then, you have equal rights of your child or children.
if your not married, then you have NO rights, on-less you went to court and applied for guardianship.
this gives you equal rights in law,

if you don't have guardianship and your not married, then she can take child or children of of the county,
regardless of you saying no.

del.hse

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MrPudding

OK, a bit more info. The child is almost 7. She does not have a passport, but may have by the end of this week. If not she will be travelling on her French National ID card. I am not married to the mother but we are in a long term relationship. I understand that this doesn’t really give me any rights as such but, the GF has had some hassle in the past when going on holidays with the kids without me. The plan is for my GF to fly to England to meet her parents. My GF will then return to Ireland. Her parents will then take our daughter to France for 2 weeks and then return her to Ireland. We are expecting possible trouble for the GF leaving Ireland and for the grandparents leaving England. There may also be hassle for the grandparents leaving France.

My GF was also told that Ryanair “sometimes” refuse to accept the old style French ID card, anyone heard anything about this? I would prefer if they just decided whether or not they excepted it.

MrP

angeldelight

Has it changed recently? Because when I was younger I went on holidays to the Uk and France with various aunties and uncles and my grandparents without anything other than a ticket and my passport...

Hobbes

They will need a passport. Beyond that proof they will be the guardians while you are not there. You really should check up with a travel agents or the French Embassey as French laws may differ.

parsi

The only way for definite to see what Ryanair will or will not accept is to check their site. Asking Boards people or even ringing Ryanair won't suffice - you need to see it written down.

samanthacarter

French children under 18 years (or 16 can't remember) of age need in order to travel without their parents a piece of paper called "autorisation de sortie de territoire", please contact the French ambassy to request it otherwise she will not be allowed to leave Ireland without one of the parents.

MrPudding

samanthacarter wrote:

French children under 18 years (or 16 can't remember) of age need in order to travel without their parents a piece of paper called "autorisation de sortie de territoire", please contact the French ambassy to request it otherwise she will not be allowed to leave Ireland without one of the parents.

Yeah, we already had that I was worried we might need something else. She doesn't sound French, unless she is speaking it, and she was 3 weeks old in the picture on her ID card. She is now almost 7 and has changed somewhat. We were kind of worried that there may be some issues from the Irish end. All sorted and she is now in sunny France.

Incidently, if the child has a passport there are no problems in the child leaving / being removed from the country.

MrP

Eric318

Hello all,

my wife owns a house in France in legal partnership with her ex-boyfriend.

She often travels to stay in this house with our baby S, now 17 months old. She used to travel almost once a month and stay at least a week at a time. Now the frequency has reduced, about once every 2 months but this time she is gone for no less than three weeks.

Would I be right to demand from my wife that she stays in our family home in Dublin, or that she travels by herself and leaves S with me or goes with S only if I allow it? I anticipate that she would react to my demands in an unpleasant way and end up doing whatever she wants, in this case, would I have any option to stop her from taking S away from the family home?

Also, would it be right for me to go on holiday with S by myself in France (to stay with my own parents) without my wife's consent?

By the way, S has her own passport (British).

I thank you in advance for your help.

Trinity

I think its all down to the passport.

When applying for a passport for a child, if the fathers name is on the birthcert he must sign the consent forms provided with passport application.

If he is unavailable/not on the birth cert then you must get an affidavit (sp?)signed by a solicitor to accompany the application.

My sister recently took her 2 kids to spain with no hassle. I do not know the situation regarding grandparents taking them out of the country.

Kildrought

if the fathers name is on the birthcert he must sign the consent forms provided with passport application

This is not correct - being named on a child's birth certificate does not grant guardianship; if the father named does not have guardianship then the sole guardian (mother) signs an affidavit to that effect.

I have travelled extensively over the years with both my children (who have their own passports); I have never once been questioned by check-in staff or passport control in regards to permission from their father to travel.

It's far easier for a child to have their own passport.

Would I be right to demand from my wife that she stays in our family home in Dublin, or that she travels by herself and leaves S with me or goes with S only if I allow it? I anticipate that she would react to my demands in an unpleasant way and end up doing whatever she wants, in this case, would I have any option to stop her from taking S away from the family home?

I assume you mean former wife? and also that

taking S away from the family home

is for a holiday then the simple answer to your question is no.

Eric318

Thank you for your replies. We are actually very married, but as you can tell, things are not exactly smooth...

I figure that I will eventually take my daughter and her passport and go on vacation with her when it suits me. It seems that if my wife can do it, I could do it too.

Kildrought

I will eventually take my daughter and her passport and go on vacation with her when it suits me

I may be reading too much in to this, but it's not just a question of 'when it suits you'.

a) your child is (or will be) attending school.

b) In the event of your (unlooked for) separation, the most likely outcome is that your former wife will be your child's primary carer.

c) joint custody is the most usual, however you will most likely find that you and your former wife will have to agree on (or have a court rule on it if you can't agree) when you and your child will be together.

Save yourself the heart ache and do all you can to sort out your marriage; what ever it takes, it has to be easier than coping with separation and divorce.