VC Poker - what do you think of this?

Ardent

Was playing an online game there, down to the last 4 players, and I went all-in with Ac7c. Two players called, one with A9 and the other with KK. And ace pops up on the flop, but no 7 or clubs for me, and the guy with A9 wins. Me and the guy with KK both get knocked out. Fair enough.

However, the guy with KK gets placed 3rd (and in the money) while I get 4th. I asked VC staff about this and it turns out he got 3rd because he had (merely) 200 chips more than me.

Is this standard poker policy?

karlh

yep.

Dub13

Yes...it hurts but thats the rule

NickyOD

That is the rule in any properly run tournament either live r online. The player with the more chips before the hand finishes a spot higher. The only thing I'm not certain of is if this is before or after the blinds are posted (I think its after)

DapperGent

Hmmm that's interesting. Is it before or after? I always thought it was before, as in full stack before the hand started.

Which would be fairer I wonder?

roryc

Yeh thats the way it is. Happened to me in an online tourney too. Never heard of it happening in a live game though.

Not really a bad rule anyway. How else could you decide?

cormie

NickyOD wrote:

That is the rule in any properly run tournament either live r online. The player with the more chips before the hand finishes a spot higher. The only thing I'm not certain of is if this is before or after the blinds are posted (I think its after)

How would this make a difference if both players are in the pot? I might be missing something obvious, first post of the day for me, just woke up

roryc

There can be a difference...

For example:

If player A had 2100 chips and player B had 2050 chips, with blinds of 100/200, and player A was BB

then Before the blinds were posted player A would be ahead but after the SB + BB are out player B is ahead.

Its easier just to work out who had more chips.... anyway the rule is rarely used

cormie

But it's all the same once the flop is dealt no? So if they don't see the flop then they wont be in the hand and there wont be that issue anyway right?

gdez

That's always the rule.
Quite Fair me thinks.

Waylander

The blinds are still part of your stack until the first round of betting is over as far as I know. At least when they do chip counts in tournies they will count the blinds as part of your stack.

biteme

wow how can this be an issue. Blinds are part of your stack. Blinds are no dead money. They are a bet, forced as it may be. In your example roryc player A always has more chips in that hand than player B if they are both in the hand. i.e Who gets change if both are all in ?!

The rule is one of the simpler ones. When more than one player is knocked out in a hand. The player with the most amount of chips starting the hand is ranked higher in the tournament. What I don't know is what happens, if both start of with exactly the same amount of chips and are knocked out where there is a jump in the money. I would think the fairest is to add the two prizes and divide by 2.

Fatboydim

The blinds make no difference at all as you can't be in a pot without calling the BB. When blinds are played they are out in front of you and are part of your stack until they are gathered into the pot. If the player with 2050 chips [Player B]has called the player with 2100 on the BB [Player A] and the BB was five hundred then Player A would have 1600 left and Player B would have 1500 - Therefore in the case of players A and B being knocked out by Player C - Player A will always finish ahead of Player B. Because of the extra 50 he had. There would be two pots of course between the three players. One main pot of 6150 and one side pot of 100 the side pot of 100 would be between players A and C. So that's the easiest way to work it out... If you're in a side pot situation and you can only win the main pot - if you're knocked out you're first out. Although of course to confuse matters further... side pots are usually [if not always] declared before the main pots.

Clear?

As mud.

Dave

But surely his Aces beat the Kings as in if they were heads up he would have won. It seems bizarre to me anyway.

karlh

both players were knocked out in the same hand. there is no next best hand, it's whoever was ahead before the hand began.

NickyOD

Dave wrote:

But surely his Aces beat the Kings as in if they were heads up he would have won. It seems bizarre to me anyway.

Thye both lost their chips to a better hand. That would be the same as giving out chips for a second best hand.

Money matches money.

If the players with Aces had 100 in chips left. and the player with kings had 3000 in chips left and they both busted in the same hand, should the player with aces finsih a place higher. Of course not.

Dave

Well deciding who goes out in what place by hand ranking makes more sense to me than who had more chips pre-hand.

Ardent

Dave wrote:

Well deciding who goes out in what place by hand ranking makes more sense to me than who had more chips pre-hand.

Me too. That's why, before I knew about this poker rule, I indignantly berated a VC staff member about it!

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

this is the rule in the casinos aswell...