Andy Murray The Best Scot!

colin300

What do you think could he win wimbeldon one day?
Is he better then henman?

Also what do you think Henman hill should be renamed Murray Mound or Murray field?

GoneShootin

Oh god here we go. More British pride nonsense. Did anyone hear one of the BBC commentators:

"And here we have Andy Murray, the last British player in the tournament. All the hopes of the nation now rest on his young shoulders".

Jasus - get a grip. I never rated Tim Henman - far too much hype. Reached the semi's 4 times was it? Your not good enough Tim, why bother?

I like the cut of Murrays jibt though. Very expressive, plays every point as if his life depended on it. More of a workhorse than a skilled player. Im sure in time he will get his chance. I just hope he doesnt burn out though. As for your hill question - name it Ben Nevis, as Andy is a most proud Scottsman, and goes to great lenghts to point it out whenever he is quoted to be English.

colin300

I am Irish and i was saying it as an Irish person to a Scot not an irish to a brit.

I like the way he says to the press i dont like being called a brit or english i am a scot. Very good they dont seem to like it though which is funny.

He is definately much better then henman he was a joke. At least if he is the best in england why cant he win at least one tournament with the big players in it.

~Rebel~

Well Henman is the best in england, but thats not saying much. To be honest i dont like the guy at all but feel sorry for him around wimbledon time as he's constantly built up each year with "is it going to be henmans year? the year he'll win wimbledon?". Id imagine he doesn't like this (i f'in wouldn't!) cause he knows, like anyone else not blinded by patriotic loyalty, that he simply is not good enough. if anything what he has actually done at wimbledom each year has been a massive Over-achievement. after all he's actually never really achieved anything in the game and just because hes an average player who happens to be english doesn't mean he needs/deserves this massive hype and then massive teardown afterwards each year without fail.

By god his little arm pumping thing that he does after every-single-point bugs the bejesus out of me though!!

This murray chap looks like potential for the future though. Impressed me a lot yesterday beating someone ranked 299 places higher then him in straight sets. Wonder if he'll improve and develope or just flicker out like that young russian guy who lost to sampres in the semi's a few years ago.. (anyone remember his name?)
Think young murray really doesn't need the hype and expectation he's bound to get this year but sure we'll see what he can do and hopefully he'll get lauded for what he's already achieved and not slated if/when he fails to win the competition!

BrookieD

I have been watching murray for a couple of years and he is the real deal, i am putting a bet on that he WILL win a grandslam by the age of 25,

As for Wimbeldon and Henman i would not mind him winning but his time is over, he has had 11 tour wins but never a grand slam, he will play in 2006 and then retire, he wont win it then either.
As for the Hype.. If there was a Irish Grandslam event and there was an Irish player in it the irish would hype him up to high heaven, no difference. Don't see anything wrong in wanting your own to win.

~Rebel~

BrookieD wrote:

As for the Hype.. If there was a Irish Grandslam event and there was an Irish player in it the irish would hype him up to high heaven, no difference. Don't see anything wrong in wanting your own to win.

Ah but thats the difference, wanting him to win is wonderful, nothing wrong with that at all, Expecting him to win on the other hand and then slating him for failure is just so unfair given that noone should be expecting a win based on his performance levels ever, should just be delighted that he (usually) is consistantly good at wimbledon.

BrookieD

with all respect (and i might get slated here) england do not EXPECT him to win each year, they hope he will, now i am talking about tennis fans here, on the other hand you have the hard core brit fanatic nut who thinks that people like Henman and others should have a god given right to win all they enter, this as a brit myself i disagree with.
But as i said i think most well informed British tennis fans would be the first to say that Henman can not win because he chokes at majors.. always has and will,

Murray will win ( for the record english is a no no but British he is cool with, scottish) Why will he win, he has a natural talent, just watch a reply of the full match yesterday and also watch when he won the US comp for youngsters, he has a gift that can not be taught. Just like Owen socring goals, Ronaldihno(sp?) Schumacher(sp?) etc.. he is just that good.

~Rebel~

I totally agree Murray may well have what it takes, looks a real talent and i really hope he does.

I also agree that anyone well informed (or even slightly informed) in tennis would be going for Henman but not expecting too much, but they're not the people im talking about. Its the Sun and the Mirror and those rags who hype him up without any knowledge only to tear him down when he inevitably falls. Just saying I feel sorry for him (even though i dont like him as a player) cause he gets all this stupid tabloid buildup and then abuse for doing his beest and generally over achieveing. Not sure how bad it will be this year as hes kinda past his prime and stuff but am still expecting him to be slated by the ignorant papers. Remember a few years ago when he did fantastic and made the semi's to be knocked out by an amazing Ivanisavic (sp?), i read in the sun the next day about his capitulation and how he was never going to live up to his expectation and just remember thinking it should have been more along the lines of "henmans amazing run sadly comes to an end".

Hydroquinone

BrookieD wrote:

As for the Hype.. If there was a Irish Grandslam event and there was an Irish player in it the irish would hype him up to high heaven, no difference. Don't see anything wrong in wanting your own to win.

Nail on the head.

Another thing that gets on my wick about Irish people who moan about British bias towards British players on British telly and in the British media - get a clue. If you don't want to hear them bigging up their own players, stick to the Irish media. How simple is that?

Personally I think Henman gets a raw deal at Wimbledon. I like to watch him play but the Henmania is insane. He's a good player and he's made more than six million quid playing tennis, so anyone who reckons he's rubbish obviously earns more than that doing whatever it is they do for a living!

This Murray character is one to watch all right. looking forward to seeing a lot more of him in the years to come.

GoneShootin

Hydroquinone wrote:

Another thing that gets on my wick about Irish people who moan about British bias towards British players on British telly and in the British media - get a clue. If you don't want to hear them bigging up their own players, stick to the Irish media. How simple is that?

Its not that simple. BBC provide a world wide service to a possible viewership of millions worldwide. They cannot now accept that they are British only service, and so their commentry should be as unbiased as possible.

mike65

GoneShootin it called the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation! They'll "fly the flag" for British viewers be that right or wrong (and the medias hype annoys me too).

Also to say Henman has done nothing is tosh, you dont spend 10 years in the world Top 10 doing nothing. He just has'nt won a Grand Slam event. Like Monty in the Golf. Has he done nothing?

Mike.

BrookieD

The BBC has been world wide for many years through TV and Radio, I accept that the BBC has been supportive to the GBR entries in Wimbledon, but as I state above if it was an Irish Grandslam with Irish Playersthe same would happen here, i have watched many Irish footy games and TV and have heard a lot of bias and support towards there own.

Your never gonna change a national broadcast station to be complete unbiased, the French do it, Aussies, and Germans, the yanks well less said the better as they have there own rules.

GoneShootin

mike65 wrote:

He just has'nt won a Grand Slam event

Its common knowledge that your point above is the exact reason, and only reason, that he continues to play at all. Hes not a man interested in just tournaments alone, these are a means to qualifying and keeping the rankins up for get into the Grand Slams. 10 years in a professional game + the British hype and still no Grand Slam to show for it? I dont know his personal feelings as the media doesnt allow us that aspect, I'm sure he spouts out what he wants us to hear, or they edit it accordingly. But he shouldnt keep going, especially as his legs get older and the age becomes a factor. It would look very sad if he was still trying when it was clear to everyone that he wasnt able. That is what worries me the most.

Hydroquinone

GoneShootin wrote:

Its not that simple. BBC provide a world wide service to a possible viewership of millions worldwide. They cannot now accept that they are British only service, and so their commentry should be as unbiased as possible.

That's absurd. Are you watching BBC on a world wide service where you live? Or are you, like the rest of us in Ireland watching/listening to the BBC as it is transmitted from the UK?
If so and you don't like it, my point stands; watch Irish telly instead.

GoneShootin

Hydroquinone wrote:

That's absurd. Are you watching BBC on a world wide service where you live? Or are you, like the rest of us in Ireland watching/listening to the BBC as it is transmitted from the UK?
If so and you don't like it, my point stands; watch Irish telly instead.

Yes I am watching it from a worldwide service
No I dont like the biased commentry whenever Henman/Murray etc are playing, I dont like the hype that the BBC propegate for players that are clearly no hopers for Wimbledon.
Yes I have been mostly watching TG4 for Wimbledon, but my point still stands.

BrookieD

Yes I have been mostly watching TG4 for Wimbledon, but my point still stands.

You know i have just figured it out, your anti english/british not aniti covereage, i bet you would not complain if they were raving about Irish players

colin300

Well i think TG4 are doing a great job for wimbeldon. They show good matches and since i can understand them dont go all in for hyping up players they just commentate.

Hydroquinone

GoneShootin wrote:

Yes I am watching it from a worldwide service
No I dont like the biased commentry whenever Henman/Murray etc are playing, I dont like the hype that the BBC propegate for players that are clearly no hopers for Wimbledon.
Yes I have been mostly watching TG4 for Wimbledon, but my point still stands.

So are you saying that you're complaining about the BBC's biased coverage of Wimbledon, even though you aren't watching it?

Good grief. Shall I crib about something I'm not watching? Nope. Can't be arsed.

mike65

Wow! 3rd round against Argentine David Nalbandian is rollercoaster wins first set, thrashes Nalbandian in the second, gets thrashed in the third and its all to play for as I type. 4-4 in 4th set.

Mike.

mike65

2 sets all and Murrays starting to falter as he is treated for hip strain. He needs some rain!

Mike.

GoneShootin

@ BrookieD - I'm not anti english/british at all. Im anti misplaced media hype from the same source year after year after year

@ Hydroquinone - Just because I'm not involved/interacting/etc with something/someone, doesnt mean that I dont have the right to complain. I complain to our local council that an area of road I travel needs a proper junction, to help stop the accidents that have happened there. Ive not been in an accident there. By your definition, that doesnt give me the right to complain? Good grief and jiminy jillikers!

Hydroquinone

GoneShootin wrote:

@ Hydroquinone - Just because I'm not involved/interacting/etc with something/someone, doesnt mean that I dont have the right to complain. I complain to our local council that an area of road I travel needs a proper junction, to help stop the accidents that have happened there. Ive not been in an accident there. By your definition, that doesnt give me the right to complain? Good grief and jiminy jillikers!

Ain't quite the same though, is it? The stretch of road you're complaning about impinges on daily life where you live. You or your wife/ husband or your parents or your children could be injured in an accident on this apparently treacherous peice of road.

Jimminy jillikers, British blathery coverage of British issues on the British media hardly affects your personal safety, or that of your nearest and dearest, now does it? If you paid a TV license fee to the BBC, then you could write them a letter and complain. Maybe you should be following up your complaint to the local council. Maybe that's more important than complaining, on the internet about something which doesn't affect you at all, because you aren't watching it.

Since the thread is (nominally!!!) about Andrew Murray - startling perforance. Watch this space in years to come.

colin300

Well what can u say about todays match.
Nohtin really he went out and tried his best but it shows that he aint quite there with his fitness but he can certainly bring a match to anyone.

I am looking foreward to seeing this fella in action some day soon again. Rumours he will play in the juniors of wimbledon but i have serious doubts he will probably go pro now plus he needs alot of rest of his ankle.


I believe he will certainly be in the top 5 at one time.

nlgbbbblth

~Rebel~ wrote:

IIts the Sun and the Mirror and those rags who hype him up without any knowledge only to tear him down when he inevitably falls.

The same Sun and Mirror which are bought by Irish people in their thousands.

The same people who complain about the English tabloids hyping up their national soccer team's chance - and use that as justification for cheering England's opposition whenever they play.

Yet they persist in buying the papers they claim to despise.
Why?

cgf

Should this thread be under Sport?

Tennis???

colin300

I am guessing it was sarcasm by cgf.

Did anyone notice that Mark Petchey or whatever his name is had a sun cap on yesterday obviously he never heard the word sell out.
Or he just heard the money rolling into his bank.

Amz

cgf, please don't bother posting here unless you have something useful to contribute.

GoneShootin

Hydroquinone wrote:

Since the thread is (nominally!!!) about Andrew Murray - startling perforance. Watch this space in years to come.

It would seem that:

(a) you missed my point
(b) you intentionally missed my point to continue the debate in another direction

But yes, I agree that Andy Murray did well.

Kingp35

ok first off EVERYBODY whether they be british or American or whatever have been building up hype now around Andy Murray and it is way exagerrated.

Dont get me wrong he played well and he has some good shots but he also lacks alot and is being way over hyped. First off his fitnes is nothing short of Diabolical and me as a twenty year old non-professional anything would be ashamed to have a fitness level the same as his. If you cant last a match how do you expect to win? When the pressure was on in a long match he buckled big time and was doing all these stretches to try and get himself going but he couldnt do it. Now if you cant get yourself going during the biggest match in your life what hope have you got. Serious training on fitness needs to be done and he needs to build himself up or he will never win anything.

The kid is 18 he won 2 matches and he is suddenly future champion etc etc. Many players have come in at 18 and impressed and done nothing and many have been better than Murray. Murray lacks alot at this stage and the British and whoever else should not be hyping him up so soon as he doesnt deserve it yet.

I wanted him to beat Nalbandian but he didnt deserve it and im glad in a way he lost. It will give him the kick up the backside he needs to get himself physically fit if he is to do anything in the sport.

Alot of work needed. Alot of work

beanyb

I thought Andy Murray did incredibly well but clearly isnt fullt ready to achieve what he possibly can in the future. If he works on his fitness, I'm sure he can do great things.

On the Henman situation, I feel incredibly sorry for him. The British expect far too much from him and when he doesnt achieve their impossibly high standard he gets ripped to shreds.

For example, I remember at the end of last year watching some ridiculous programme on the biggest winners and losers of 2004. Henman was near the top of the biggest losers list despite reaching the semi's of the US and the French and the quarters of Wimbledon. It was the best year he'd ever had and the guy was slated because he didnt win Wimbledon.

colin300

totally agree with you on henman he is good for getting to the semis although the brits think that is easy to do.

I was watching the tennis a while ago i aint sure what match but mcenroe was commentating on some match and they panned over the hill which all the brits call henman hill. He says so what do we call this now and your man says just the hill. I was like come on just because he went out in the second round u take the name away. Next year it will 'Murray Mound'. But if he goes out early it will be back to the hill.

They think they are god like. For example they never ever ever stop going on about the 66 world cup or steve redgrave with his 5 medals. Good for him. They do know that in a few years someone will hammer that record into the ground. '66 world cup they might not even have done so well if it wasn't in england and automatically qualifing.

oh and congrats beanyb on your 100th post.

nlgbbbblth

wonder what would happen if an Irish player got past the first round of Wimbledon?

party in the Phoenix Park when he/she returned?

colin300

come on now dont u mean if they got past qualifying?

I doubt we would go over the top too much. Like some of the stuff that has happened in football is a bit over the top but not to a huge extent we dont have by any means the best team in europe but we aint far off with players like Robbie, Roy and Duff and a good few others. I dont mind a celebration when we get to the quarters or semis but no celebration for anything less than that.

nlgbbbblth

one thing which the Irish forget about Wimbledon

- It's an English tournament
- Henman is English
- Naturally they will hype up their own player. It would be unusual if they didn't

as for the World Cup 1966 and all that - see post #24 on this thread

~Rebel~

beanyb wrote:

On the Henman situation, I feel incredibly sorry for him. The British expect far too much from him and when he doesnt achieve their impossibly high standard he gets ripped to shreds.

Thats actually exactly what i said ages ago and got slated for it sparking that whole nationalist bias debate thing. Build him up all you want so long as its about support but the way they destroy him after he fails to achieve the grand slam that hes just not good enough for is just unfair..

Nickibaby*

Henman got to the semis four times, Murray hasn't even got to the quarters yet so I think everybody should calm down. I can't stand the chap he is so smug, if it wasn't for his nationality at wimbledon then nobody would be cheering for him.

I think it should remain Henman Hill until Murray equals or beat Henmans record at Wimbledon.

Nickibaby*

Oh yeah and when John McEnroe said that he would like to coach Murray, Murray tried to make out that he never heard of McEnroe!

Is he for real who hasn't heard of Mac especially somebody who is involved in tennis?

nlgbbbblth

Nickibaby* wrote:

Oh yeah and when John McEnroe said that he would like to coach Murray, Murray tried to make out that he never heard of McEnroe!

Is he for real who hasn't heard of Mac especially somebody who is involved in tennis?

never heard of McEnroe?

what a LOSER!

meepmeep

Nickibaby* wrote:

Oh yeah and when John McEnroe said that he would like to coach Murray, Murray tried to make out that he never heard of McEnroe!

Is he for real who hasn't heard of Mac especially somebody who is involved in tennis?

Sorry, where did you get that from?

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=705212005

TheScotsman wrote:

Murray has talked on a number of occasions of his admiration for McEnroe

Nickibaby*

He said it in an interview to Sue Barker at this years Wimbledon

Young Siward

The British media will mostly tell you that Tim Henman won't win Wimbledon because he dosen't have that massive weapon that gets you through those tough matches. What they will say is that he does have a small chance, providing he serves accurately - allowing him to come and use his volleys. This year his serve was well off the mark for the first 3 sets of the first round and similarly in against Tursonov. I also reckon he's tried too hard to improve his inside out forehand and flat backhand, while his strengths - volleys, slice backhand and return all were..... off. It's not old age, it's just a loss of focus IMO.

GoneShootin wrote:

Its not that simple. BBC provide a world wide service to a possible viewership of millions worldwide. They cannot now accept that they are British only service, and so their commentry should be as unbiased as possible.

The BBC are obliged to provide television pictures, but the commentary service they offer the rest of the world differs to what you get in the UK, normally it's done by Simon Reid.