Unitied Roids... any defensive benifit?

Evil Phil

Say you had about 40 uninited roids at any given time. Reckon they'd help deter potential raiders?

strat

only to a certain extent at the start of the round when ppl had like 50 roiuds and 40 were uninited thaths a BAD target, even at 100 roids of which 40 are uninited its not a greit target but at 200 roids with only 40 unint it roid ya me sef

[This message has been edited by StrataGIST (edited 30-05-2001).]

Celt

They dont serve any purpose.
They actually make you a more attractive target.

Magwitch

I disagree. Its pointless someone attacking to come up with useless roids that take a hell of alot to init, especially if they have to go through a pds forest to get them.

A useful trick is to have alot of roid scans hany. If you get incomming scan and add unitiated ris to yuor total. Even if you take a hit astropods (that are not destroyed)are going to scoop uninitiated and useless roids. Its not great but by the law of averages you should come out better than you would otherwise.

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richindub2

Well getting uninit roids doesnt matter if you can also get large amounts of init roids..

IE if i find a target with only 2/3k PDS and maybe 200 init 100 uninit ill still attack, but if the target had had only the 200 init roids i mightnt have been drawn to scanning then attacking them.

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Celt

What Rich said.

SHADOW

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WhiteLancer:
They dont serve any purpose.
They actually make you a more attractive target.</font>

How?? No Seriously how???

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by richindub2:
Well getting uninit roids doesnt matter if you can also get large amounts of init roids..</font>

When you attack you are looking to get the max amount of good roids possible. Well unless you are a total mong.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">IE if i find a target with only 2/3k PDS and maybe 200 init 100 uninit ill still attack, but if the target had had only the 200 init roids i mightnt have been drawn to scanning then attacking them.
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What because you scanned them it means you have to attack them to?? Did it ever occur to you that if you searched around a bit you mite find a target with no pds and probably less than a 2:1 ratio on roids.

In earlier rounds unninitiated roids were a very good way of dettering people. Now it seems that there are so many m0ngs out there playing the game that it works against you.

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SHADOW

oh yeah the 40 bad roids wouldnt do a thing even a few rounds ago. If you were going to use that stratagy then you needed to have nearly as many bad as good roids. Almost a 1:1 ratio.

Celt

/me sighs

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">How?? No Seriously how???</font>

If I see a target with 1 million score and 400 roids, and only 150 unintated, i will attack it since i get 2/3 initiated and 1/3 unintiated for almsot no fleet loss or score loss.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">When you attack you are looking to get the max amount of good roids possible. Well unless you are a total mong.</font>

You really know little about PA.
The aim is to get max amount of roids for smallest fleet loss. Of course you dont want to get over 1/3 uninit.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">What because you scanned them it means you have to attack them to?? Did it ever occur to you that if you searched around a bit you mite find a target with no pds and probably less than a 2:1 ratio on roids.

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Good job on missing his point.
There are many factors in searching for good targets. You have to take into account that this round almost all attacking is done in para. This reduces the amount of targets by 96%.
Also you have to take their galaxy into account, since if it's a largish galaxy its likely an active one in many alliances and its very likely your target will get defence.
Easiest target is someone with 2:1 init/uninit with smallish pds in a 25 - 30 million gal inside para.

richindub2

One other thing celt didnt point out, just looking at a gal you will scan those with most roids so having large amounts of uninit draws attention to yourself. IE. im looking at a 20mill gal, i see two 1mill people, one has 150 init the other has 200 roids, 50 uninit. Ill scan the 200 roid person first and will probally attack them too, if they hadnt had those init i probally wouldnt have.

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Evil Phil

All valid points but I'm kind of going the not a good defense opinion. A roid scan went wrong late last Saturday night and I ended up with more roids than I ever intended on scanning. What can you do? other than not play drunk.

Celt

A guy in my gal last round was unfortunate enough to uncover a bug that somehow left him with 2209 unitit roids and 150 init.
In one week he went from over 2300 roids to 75 .

richindub2

LOL, i would have liked to have seen that

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WhiteWashMan

be careful with pds this round.
its a hell of a lot stronger. and in comparison to the armour hike on all the rest of the ships, anyone with strong pds will more than likely make toats of all but a really big fleet....
so for a while it looks lke im gonna be newbie bashing?
well, no, but i will be bashing lots of little galaxies!
hey, its fair and its allowed and im not proud!

Celt

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:

be careful with pds this round.
its a hell of a lot stronger. and in comparison to the armour hike on all the rest of the ships, anyone with strong pds will more than likely make toats of all but a really big fleet....
so for a while it looks lke im gonna be newbie bashing?
well, no, but i will be bashing lots of little galaxies!
hey, its fair and its allowed and im not proud!</font>

People think that about pds,
Me, biggest amount of pds i attacked was 13000,
10k mesons / 2k hyps / 1k neuts

The roids were sweet.

WhiteWashMan

you attacked someone with 13k pds and you lived.
right.
what score exactly are you?
you must be on about 60 million points yeah? and attacked someone that big with al your battleships yeah?
i suppose you dont have a screen shot of this major win do you. coz if this is true than my friend you have some mysterious power that i dont know about.....
or did you attack the tick after someone else took out the pds?

richindub2

13k pds isnt really a lot, say, 7k mesons 6k hyps only kills 190 frigs and 380 apods a tick (not a lot if your getting a fair few roids).

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WhiteWashMan

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by richindub2:
13k pds isnt really a lot, say, 7k mesons 6k hyps only kills 190 frigs and 380 apods a tick (not a lot if your getting a fair few roids).

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by my calculations 7k of mesons kills 1166 apods a tick. providing they all hit and all target apods, which are their first target.
this also assumes that he had no other defence, all of which fire before your apods get roids. if he had no apods, then theres no hope in hell of getting any roids cos the attack defense ratio is too high. im sorry, i just cant seem to put the math together.
anyway, in this instance it was 10k mesons = 20k points = 1666 apods. apods only have 12 armour afaik.
like i said, it sounds unlikely.

Celt

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
you attacked someone with 13k pds and you lived.
right.
what score exactly are you?
you must be on about 60 million points yeah? and attacked someone that big with al your battleships yeah?
i suppose you dont have a screen shot of this major win do you. coz if this is true than my friend you have some mysterious power that i dont know about.....
or did you attack the tick after someone else took out the pds?</font>

3000 phoeinex
2000 astropods
2000 war frigates
1000 ints
4000 spids
v

10,000 meson
2,000 hyperon
1,000 neutron
4000 spiders
1500 war frigates
6000 phoeinix
1000 astropods
591 metal roids
309 crystal
78 eonium
130 unitit

My total points loss was just over a million with 300 roids gained,
his total score loss 665k.

Im 7 million score with 4million m and 3 million and 3 million e unspent.

Now what exactly is wrong with this?

Celt

* and i've had 5k pds since i was 4 million score

Asuka

I have 15k Meson Cannons, 3.5 mil score, 190 roids and no one will attack me No salvage

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Evil Phil

I'm at 5k PDS now and I'm only 1.6 mil.