Star Trek, The Next Emanation

CiDeRmAn

So, now that the dirty deed is finally done and the crew of the NX-01 have sailed off into the realms of syndication, what next for the franchise?
I guess Sulu is getting a tad old for a series about the Excelsior (Damn it, that would have been sweet!), No real depth possible in a Klingon show (watch this week as another underling gets nailed looking for promotion!), so where to now.
I know they are formulating a germ of an idea but presumably we are about to have a trek free year, the horror! the horror! awaiting the production machinery to start its wind up to make a new show from scratch.
Anyone out there hear anything on the grapevine?
And please lets not have a "this is my idea for a new star trek pilot", honestly, you people!, you can't resist can you!

TVDX

There will be no Star trek for at least 2-3 years.
A movie was mooted with a brand new crew set after Enterprise but before TOS and is being written right now.
However, with the cancellation of Star Trek : Enterprise, no Trek production has a guarantee of being made anymore.
It may not even happen.
If it does, it is as I said to feature a new crew and will probably involve the romulan war.
Main characters may not even survive the movie.
If that movie happens and does well, it could be the next TV series.

Alternatively, starting as soon as Rick Berman's contract is up which will be soon, other producers will start making pitches to create a new Star Trek series, it may take a long time for one to be actually accepted but, if there are good enough pitches, given Trek already long history on TV, Paramount are bound to give it another go.

User45701

there will be more trek before 2008 it wont be 3 years

bizmark

User45701 wrote:

there will be more trek before 2008 it wont be 3 years

Just pulling date's out of the air ? or can you back that up.

DubTony

The word from Paramount is that the franchise needs a break. We've had 18 years of Star Trek in some shape and they feel it's gotten tired. Word is that they'd like to give it a rest for "about 3 years". (Source:Latest issue of Star Trek magazine)

Justice

but its such a gravey train for paramount,
i cant believe that star trek would end, far too much money to be made for a company to turn down, especially with the DVD boxsets taking off.
however i have no idea what is coming next.

i suppose if i was that bothered i could try write my own show

MrVestek

Justice wrote:

but its such a gravey train for paramount,
i cant believe that star trek would end, far too much money to be made for a company to turn down, especially with the DVD boxsets taking off.
however i have no idea what is coming next.

i suppose if i was that bothered i could try write my own show

Star Trek: Justice League
Strange beings from another Dimension are suddenly phase shifted into our own galaxy and join the forces of Q to take over the world, and it's up to the Federation, Superman, Batman, The Flash, Wonderwoman et all to help the various Captains in Starfleet to stop this happening!




























Well I thought it was a good idea...

CiDeRmAn

Achilles wrote:

Star Trek: Justice League
Strange beings from another Dimension are suddenly phase shifted into our own galaxy and join the forces of Q to take over the world, and it's up to the Federation, Superman, Batman, The Flash, Wonderwoman et all to help the various Captains in Starfleet to stop this happening!


You see what I mean, every sad trekker loser has an equally sad plot line in his head.
Me I would rather see attack of the plot holes where every no-brainer script trek has produced tries to destroy enterprise so they have to hunt down and kill Brannon Braga to set things to rights.
And No Bloody Time Travel Episodes, Ever Ever Again!

MrVestek

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Achilles wrote:

Star Trek: Justice League
Strange beings from another Dimension are suddenly phase shifted into our own galaxy and join the forces of Q to take over the world, and it's up to the Federation, Superman, Batman, The Flash, Wonderwoman et all to help the various Captains in Starfleet to stop this happening!

You see what I mean, every sad trekker loser has an equally sad plot line in his head.
Me I would rather see attack of the plot holes where every no-brainer script trek has produced tries to destroy enterprise so they have to hunt down and kill Brannon Braga to set things to rights.
And No Bloody Time Travel Episodes, Ever Ever Again!

On you my friend, irony, is a lost concept. Oh and P.S. Enterprise ended a long... long time ago. Oh and erm, you might wanna learn how to use the Quote tags properly.

Justice

ooohhhhh achilles,

that sounds.. ... .. .. . so EXCITING!

ive allways wondered what a spandex starfleet uniform would be like!

User45701

CiDeRmAn wrote:

And No Bloody Time Travel Episodes, Ever Ever Again!

No no no the time travel episodes are some off the best episodes of ST

voy year of hell is great seen it countless times
there are so many brillent episodes

remember VOY episdoe with the wuiantim slipstream drive where voy crashed on the ice planet and harry and chactay try to find voy and send a message back in time

CiDeRmAn

Yes, but there have simply been too many of them, its like every time they run out of ideas they stick time travel in to spice it up as that what the mindless drones want.
Really the timeline must be a really messed up place with various trek casts milling from one end to the other, although its fortuitous that they keep winding up in or around the USA in the 20th century, give or take a few years.
I wonder if Klingon, Romulan or Vulcan crews spend so long yo-yoing through the years?

toiletduck

User45701 wrote:

No no no the time travel episodes are some off the best episodes of ST

voy year of hell is great seen it countless times
there are so many brillent episodes

remember VOY episdoe with the wuiantim slipstream drive where voy crashed on the ice planet and harry and chactay try to find voy and send a message back in time

oh god no! please no more time travel OR "press the reset button at the end" episodes, that voyager was so fond of!

MrVestek

Come on people, what Star Trek needs is more superheros.... I mean for all we know Superman is a Q... I mean, he can fly and burn things with his eyes can't he? A Quantum Leap/Enterprise crossover.... THAT'D be good. 'Hey you look just like me... I'm from the past... erh I must be your great great great great great grandfather...'.

It's better than some of the 'Enterprise' plotlines...

Stark

Achilles wrote:

I mean for all we know Superman is a Q... I mean, he can fly and burn things with his eyes can't he?

Oh god no, my inner nerd rages. No he's not. The Q are omnipotent from a human perception point of view. Superman has weaknesses and his powers, though impressive are limited to a finite repetoire. If he was a Q, he wouldn't need to fly, he could just disappear and reappear. And he'd never have to go through all those motions to save people, he'd just click his fingers and be done with it. And I could go on and on...

Batman was a Q though...

bizmark

And this is why when i admit to being a star trek fanboy i get funny looks

the_syco

Meh. Unless there's lots of Klingon/Human fights, lots of FX thrown in, and @ least one romance (wtf?) thrown in, no-one will really be happy, tbh.

Also, there should be a half decent plot. Set it after DS9, so no fanboys can say "well X happened in the future (if the series was set in the past) so blah blah". Also, bring back those aliens that kill Borg (some voyager ep). They were cool.

A Human/Kligon war, then the join to fight off the aliens.

As for how the aliens come... we'll blame it on some stupid mistake of Q (aka, the Borg f*ck-up).

MrVestek

Stark wrote:

Oh god no, my inner nerd rages. No he's not. The Q are omnipotent from a human perception point of view. Superman has weaknesses and his powers, though impressive are limited to a finite repetoire. If he was a Q, he wouldn't need to fly, he could just disappear and reappear. And he'd never have to go through all those motions to save people, he'd just click his fingers and be done with it. And I could go on and on...

Batman was a Q though...

Jesus dude calm down I was taking the proverbial urine. You big geek :rolleyes:
Anyways clicking yer fingers to get to places is boring, I know if I were a Q I wouldn't just be teleporting myself all over the place, I'd do the cool thing and swim at Warp 1 or at least fly... I mean c'mon just think about it. THINK ABOUT IT!!!

CiDeRmAn

Drop the bloody Cross-over crap Achilles, Christ, why not just clip clop off and make your own thread!
I made a definite statement at the start of this thread about not wanting people to post their pet pilot nonsense, but if you must do it, keep it on this side of sane, the less superheroes the better.
Quantum Leap, Comic book heroes, next you will be letting us know of your Xena/DS9 wet dreams, well let me stop you there, I don't want to know!
Form your own thread, there's a good boy.

BuffyBot

The concepts of sarcasm and irony are lost on you, aren't they?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

whatever the new series, I hope it has a war.. like ds9. and a proper story arc, with characters you can really feel for and who aren't hopelessly one dimensional tits... again, like ds9.

Garak: "it's just something I overheard when I was hemming someones trousers"

best line ever in a star trek episode? I think so.

youcancallmeal

whatever happened to the series that was supposed to be about cadets in star fleet academy and it was going to be set a few years after tng?

bizmark

youcancallme>al wrote:

whatever happened to the series that was supposed to be about cadets in star fleet academy and it was going to be set a few years after tng?

Sanity set in and every one realized it would be ****e

CiDeRmAn

Yup, can see it now, OC in space, shudder to think!
But with the story arc of the second and third Enterprise series did it not lose a lot of people, found it boring til the latter half of series 3, series 4 is far far better, with mini sequences, 2 to 3 episodes long, giving the casual viewer something they can get into without having to sacrifice the same night for months on end. Its this casual viewer that the networks must court to get ratings, The fans will watch egardless of the story quality, but casuals will switch off if it gets boring or impenetrable in the first few minutes.
Voyager seemed to cope with both kinds of audience really well, indicated by Skys constant repeating of the series in preference to DS9 that gets aired early or late, away from prime time.
Another saga set on a long and distant voyage perhaps? Or maybe a strike team in and amongst the neutral zones? After all its a big galaxy out there and I am sure there are plenty of threats to the UFP just waiting to be unleashed upon the Alpha quadrant.
Borg Mk2 anyone?

bizmark

Mordeth wrote:

whatever the new series, I hope it has a war.. like ds9. and a proper story arc, with characters you can really feel for and who aren't hopelessly one dimensional tits... again, like ds9.

Garak: "it's just something I overheard when I was hemming someones trousers"

best line ever in a star trek episode? I think so.

Garak had some fantastic lines tbh

Bashir:
They broke seven of your transverse ribs and fractured your clavicle.
Garak:
Ahh, but I got off several cutting remarks which no doubt did serious damage to their egos.
Bashir:
Garak, this isn't funny.
Garak:
I'm serious, doctor. Thanks to your ministrations, I'm almost completely healed, but the damage I did to them will last a lifetime.

MrVestek

BuffyBot wrote:

The concepts of sarcasm and irony are lost on you, aren't they?

On him? Yes... quite so.

CiDeRmAn

Whatever Achilles,

More to the point though, how about this for an idea for furthering the series.
I read a lot of old sci-fi. Read a series of books a while ago by a belfast guy called James White. He wrote a series of stories about a place called Sector General, a huge space bound hospital, staffed by Doctors, Nurses and other crew from every species in known space, a very good bunch of books they were too.
I reckon this would make an excellent concept for a future Trek show.
you could set it after Enterprise, Voyager or even after the Undiscovered Country.

Any thoughts on that?

bizmark

Na star trek was always about exploring tbh even Ds9 which is by far the best star trek ever imho needed a ship to really get it going the writers couldn’t really justify a starship showing up again and being manned by the main cast especially on a hospital

DubTony

Whatever they come up with they should ensure that the writers and producers aren't tired. Berman, Braga and co. were at it for the guts of 2 decades. No wonder Enterprise failed. I saw only one episode of season 2, and picked it up again in season 3. And I'm one of the crazy devoted ones.

Bringing Manny Coto in was genius, and he used the huge history we've all heard about over the years e.g. T'Pau, forming of the Federation, even the Klingon ridges.

A shame they screwed up the opportunity to use that history, but I'd say it's too late to try it again. Unless they go further into the future, it's going to look like the same old stories. Although with over 500 episodes of various different Star Treks, it could be difficult to come up with anything new.

Tar.Aldarion

there was that big ad thing on sky1,no more startrek getting laid to rest and levar burton was really happy because he said they have run it into the ground.

CiDeRmAn

DubTony wrote:

Bringing Manny Coto in was genius, and he used the huge history we've all heard about over the years e.g. T'Pau, forming of the Federation, even the Klingon ridges.

Yup, my sentiments exactly, they really threw away great opportunities with Enterprise, but the last season only made its demise more painful when you see what they should have been making for us all along.
3 Seasons of a bloody time cold war, script cold fish more like!
The last season has tied all that off with a couple of fanatastic episodes and as Dubtony has said ran through the rest of Trek lore, mining it for the best unanswered questions and more to give us the best stuff the series has produced.
And now, its all over.

Really thought Scott Bakula was gong to be one of the best leading men Trek has ever had, what a disappointment.

DubTony

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

there was that big ad thing on sky1,no more startrek getting laid to rest and levar burton was really happy because he said they have run it into the ground.

I hope you've overstated the fact that he was really happy. But in case you haven't ...

That's rich coming from a guy who directed 2 of the season 4 episodes, many others throughout since TNG and would probably be eating out of a bin by now if it hadn't been for his good fortune to play Geordi LaForge. Most of the work he's done in the last 10 years has emanated from his role in TNG and the fact that he got the directing break in season 6.
Maybe he'll get stuck starring in more crappy B-movies and doing one off guest voices in cartoons.
Jesus, some people.

Turns out that part 1 of In A Mirror, Darkly was actually the 700th Star Trek episode to be broadcast.

MrVestek

Remember the whole jokey Star Trek - Superman thingy I was talking about on this thread.... ok so I got a little bored yesterday and decided to make a little video... erh... aherm yes If I weren't me I'd say it was sad too :P

Go to the very bottom of this page to check it out: http://www.stevetrek.com/movies/miscvids.html

Sad, very very sad yes I know be quiet already!

DanteX

So back to the topic here's the official news

Scott Backula has said that this is not the end of trek,
backed by brannon braga and several others

paramount have no imediate plans and 2-3 years seems correct*

*Trek is paramount-viacoms second biggest grosser so constant re-runs expected until ratings drop (2-3 years to show the lot) then the new series rolls

John Frakes has expressed a wish to be involved in future series so mabey an titan based series?

movie 11 is in the works with a signed director and will be based in the far past **(trek past)** and feature a new crew and possibly lead to a featuring series..


any questions feel free to ask but i cannot disclose my source on inside paramount info.

bizmark

Love to see a series based on the titan or something else with a captian like sisko but im not too worried tbh star trek will be back and hopefully it will be good for the first time in years (voyager/enterprise)

Untill then theres always stargate atlantis and tng/ds9 reruns i suppose.

MrVestek

DanteX wrote:

So back to the topic here's the official news

Scott Backula has said that this is not the end of trek,
backed by brannon braga and several others

paramount have no imediate plans and 2-3 years seems correct*

*Trek is paramount-viacoms second biggest grosser so constant re-runs expected until ratings drop (2-3 years to show the lot) then the new series rolls

John Frakes has expressed a wish to be involved in future series so mabey an titan based series?

movie 11 is in the works with a signed director and will be based in the far past **(trek past)** and feature a new crew and possibly lead to a featuring series..


any questions feel free to ask but i cannot disclose my source on inside paramount info.

Your source? Eh, Star Trek Magazine mate, all the info you just mentioned is in this bi-month's issue. The outlook for trek at the moment is grim to say the least.

*edit* Ohh and erh, the movie will be set around the year 2010, just after World War Three.

CiDeRmAn

Sweet, 2010, nice to see how our history and that of trek will diverge, I mean when do the eugenic wars take place, I seem to remember it being in the '90s.
When you think about it there are vast swathes of history only alluded to in the various existing trek episodes, plenty to keep us chomping at the bit til the next delicious slice of whatever the trek folks come up with.

MrVestek

Personally, I hate the idea. Stick to the 24th century. As plenty of people have said before I wanna see some kind of DS9 thing with the Voyager crew thrown in. Me needs to see what the crew did after they got home dammit.

CiDeRmAn

But do you really think they are going to bring the cast of Voyager out of retirement?
Surely that would be a dreadful slur on the writing talents of the foulks who make this stuff, if they can't come up with a viable original new premise for a new show. Of course they will have to dig out Counsellor Troi in whatever new show they bring out, I think she has been in every trek series now since TNG, or was she in any DS9 episodes?
Ah well, 24th century is all well and good but what can you do original with it? Ship out in deepest space, done, Ship saving the UFP from all comers? done, Space station out on the frontier? done.
Maybe something back on San Fran? A military quick response unit? But the show has always promoted peace and diplomacy, so what on earth does that leave us with?
The show about cadets? I shudder to think.

I know! What about a Time Directorate show, could keep all you damn Time Travel happy fans happy, not to mention those of you fans of swapping dimensions with characters from completely different series, honestly, I bet you shower own that stupid book where the marvel superheroes are in the TNG universe, and I bet you think that crap is cool too! Deary Deary me!

Hercule

I think it makes sense for the next Star Trek show to go MUCH further into the future - they could set about creating new next-century ships for all the races
The series could include the final battles with the borg maybe a war between klingons and romulans (again?).tbh, I would much prefer to see new exploring - go back to the roots of star trek with the weird and quirky planets and strange stuff in space. I was annoyed when i found out enterprise was a prequal as i thought it was a step backwards(literally and not literally) for the series.

is the opposite of literally illiterally?

CiDeRmAn

Judging by the sort of craft the future Janeway returned in to rescue Voyager in the last episode of that superior series, I don't reckon the Borg are much of a threat to the Alpha Quadrant anymore!
Maybe longrange space exploration is the way to go, a transwarp conduit to one of the Magellianic clouds perhaps, Stargate atlantis style, some truely unknown territory stuff, but wasn't that Voyager. Its true then, there are no original stories.

MrVestek

CiDeRmAn wrote:

honestly, I bet you shower own that stupid book where the marvel superheroes are in the TNG universe, and I bet you think that crap is cool too! Deary Deary me!

Erh, is the entire concept of irony lost on you completely? I was taking the pish when I was talking about that. Oh and just to note, yeah I saw that book in Forbidden Planet one time, looked at the blurb on the back and said to myself 'Ok... have to remember to forget I ever read that...'. It's actually based off of an old comic when Marvel used to own the Star Trek license for comic books, they had a few crossovers then too. Not to mention when the license was shifted to another company (can't remember who) and they had a storyline at the end of their TOS stint that brought them into our universe where Star Trek was only a tv show. Never read it but have heard about it... what a bloody story.

CiDeRmAn

Irony not lost, but yup, cross-overs can be pretty weak, a bit like the Gary 7 episode of the original series. Ah well, the recent dark universe Enterprise ep. is the best alternate show I have yet seen, very impressive indeed. Why oh why didn't they produce stuff of this calibre during the preceeding 3 series?

MrVestek

Gary 7 wasn't a crossover, the original TOS episode was actually a pilot for another show called, funilly enough, Gary 7, which they later rewrote to include the trek characters because the show got canned, but still decided to use the pilot in Trek.

CiDeRmAn

Thanks for the info, will update trivia files accordingly!