Socket 939 or Socket 754

Orion

What's the difference between the two (apart from the number of pins )?

I'm planning on upgrading in the next month or two. I'm assuming that 939 is future-proof and 754 is end-of-life but what performance differences are there?

Spear

Socket 939 can support the dual channel memory controllers in the socket 939 Athlons, compared to the single channel memory in socket 754. 939 should also be able to take dual core processors, 754 cannot.

Shiny

Get a socket 939 board and a A64 3000 "venice" cpu and
overclock the absolute ****e out of it.

http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review_print.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMjU1

yeah i know.
deadly.:D

BadCharlie

Shiny wrote:

Get a socket 939 board and a A64 3000 "venice" cpu and
overclock the absolute ****e out of it.

http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review_print.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMjU1

yeah i know.
deadly.:D

Do what Shiny just said!

Orion

Thanks.

Now how do I know what core the processors are on Komplett?

Khannie

I note a very high FSB speed in that overclock.

Anyway, I'd recommend S939 also Mac. If only for the upgradeability of it.

Actually, in your case, I'd recommend staying put unless you're playing games that require lots of processing power that I don't know about. I know you love buying gadgets and all, but you're not gonna see a huge in-game performance increase unless you overclock a lot.

jozi

It says on the page they are venice so thats good.
If your going to overclock get a dfi lanparty nf4 ultra d mobo, they are the best for over clocking (so reviews say anyway). Only thing is komplett dont stock them overclockers.co.uk do on the other hand.
Get a sp90 heatsink to to keep the cpu nice and cool, <30C idle <40C under load (that what i get anyway)

EDIT: cheer khannie for reminding me, your going to need some very good ram with tight timmings if your going to oc. You can only oc on the fsb as the multi is locked for higher steppings. Or you coud go for ram faster than pc3200, ocz have ram out specifically designed to work with that dfi mobo.
I managed a 50% oc on the fsb nearlly windows stable, running stock as im to lazy to figure out how to get it stable at that

Shiny

Macros42 wrote:

Thanks.

Now how do I know what core the processors are on Komplett?

Dont know about Komplett.
The only thing you could do is email them.

They tell you on ............http://www.jes.de/
143 euro

Orion

Khannie wrote:

Actually, in your case, I'd recommend staying put unless you're playing games that require lots of processing power that I don't know about. I know you love buying gadgets and all, but you're not gonna see a huge in-game performance increase unless you overclock a lot.

It's only a minor upgrade - cpu/planer and 512mb (for a total of 1gb). Next major rebuild will be for UT2K7

You're right - I've more money than sense My box badly needs a Windows rebuild and I've been putting it off until I upgrade. When I do it'll be a dual-boot of XP-64 and 64-bit Ubuntu. I'll see a fair decent improvement in some other apps, I'm hoping, besides games - such as Starry Night Pro and Celestica.

Orion

Jozi: How did I not see that on Komplett. It's very nicely hidden away in plain view underneath the AMD 64 logo

Shiny

Macros42 wrote:

Jozi: How did I not see that on Komplett. It's very nicely hidden away in plain view underneath the AMD 64 logo

haha, I never noticed that before either!!
learn something new every day.

jozi

I searched for venice and it came up

Mac: if you go nf4 you'll also need to get a new gfx card as nf4 pci express, nf3 does have agp on the other hand but i dont think its the way to go as agp will be phased out sooner or later

Orion

Jozi: I know that - but like I said this is only a minor upgrade. So nF3 it is this time.

My UT2K7 upgrade will be all the bells and whistles that I can afford

jozi

If all goes well for me this will be my last upgrade for 3 years, thats if i get into college.
So ut2k7 will just have to run on what i have now otherwise tough.
Not really worth upgrading is it mac? maybe just a new gfx card would do you, 6800gt's are meant to be cheap from jes at the min, 260odd euro cheap

Khannie

The man makes a fine point...... if you intend playing games on ubuntu 64 then you'll need to get rid of that 9800 pro tbh. I did.

DemonOfTheFall

You dont need to go mental on expensive RAM.

Just spend whatever you think is a decent amount then see how high you can get the RAM stable at. Above that just use a divider/ratio. Theres no real performance penalty from dividers with A64s

Orion

Khannie wrote:

The man makes a fine point...... if you intend playing games on ubuntu 64 then you'll need to get rid of that 9800 pro tbh. I did.

That's just cos you were too lazy to do the research

ATI How-to for Unbuntu

zoro tried it and it worked for him

KdjaCL

Macros42 wrote:

What's the difference between the two (apart from the number of pins )?

I'm planning on upgrading in the next month or two. I'm assuming that 939 is future-proof and 754 is end-of-life but what performance differences are there?

Tbh your best bet is to lurk in the tweaking and modding forum then when one of the uber pc guys Combatcow Dubdvd etc: upgrading bang in a pm tp them and buy their old kit. They upgrade weekly

Worked 3 times for me so far


kdjac

Orion

Good thinking batman

jc94062

It says on the page they are venice so thats good.
If your going to overclock get a dfi lanparty nf4 ultra d mobo, they are the best for over clocking (so reviews say anyway).

I have that mobo (DFI nf4 ultra-D) with a venice 3200 (so almost the same as the 3000 there) and it doesn't seem overclockable from my latest thread (Un-overclockable?) at all, unless you count 40mhz lol :P
Course I'm not an expert and an expert could probably get something more done, but if I can't up the multiplier past 10 or the FSB past 205 then it doesn't seem like the easy overclocking option.

Someone also posted about having a great deal of success with an Asus board instead of a DFI for overclocking an Fx-55 chip I believe...
You also won't get two PCI-E gfx cards in there without getting a small northbridge cooler or squeezing one on top of the one they give you - which ain't great and seems to hardly have any thermal grease conducting the heat.

That said... its pretty fast for me as is and it has some other nice features...
6 USB (2.0) ports, 2 RG45 ports, great onboard sound (7(.1) speaker support). Just remember to put ya ram into slots 1 and 3 if using 2 pieces.

rsynnott

Macros42 wrote:

What's the difference between the two (apart from the number of pins )?

I'm planning on upgrading in the next month or two. I'm assuming that 939 is future-proof and 754 is end-of-life but what performance differences are there?

If you're going budget, 754 chips are often a bit faster than equivalent 939 chips; 3200 and higher have 1mb cache, whereas the 939s have 512k.

No dual-core on 754, and no new chips for them soon. Generally older chipsets. Dual channel memory on 939.

And you won't see any performance improvement in 32bit apps just cause you're running a 64bit operating system

jozi

Khannie wrote:

That's just cos you were too lazy to do the research

ATI How-to for Unbuntu

zoro tried it and it worked for him

Yeah and its not working for me ati x800xl
Ask Screwball what score he was getting and compare that to the score Khannie got with his better gfx card (9800pro)

Just incase your wondering 32bit worked out the same as 64bit for me, both had the same error after install

Spear

rsynnott wrote:

If you're going budget, 754 chips are often a bit faster than equivalent 939 chips; 3200 and higher have 1mb cache, whereas the 939s have 512k.

Only the first set of 754's with the clawhammer core have 1 meg of cache. The later newcastle cores had only 512k, but were usually 200Mhz faster than the similarly rated clawhammer part.

Khannie

Macros42 wrote:

That's just cos you were too lazy to do the research

ATI How-to for Unbuntu

zoro tried it and it worked for him

:rolleyes: Yeah, it worked for him, just like it worked for me.

glxgears score with 9800 pro and latest drivers: 4600
glxgears score with 6600GT and latest drivers: 7200

Prawned.

Zoro got a score of around 4500. ATI on linux is not suitable for 3d games. Full stop. Nvidia have been putting in the driver support effort for some time now, whereas ati are just starting to ramp it up (or at least they're talking about it).

If you honestly expect to play 3d games on linux, nvidia's the only way to go tbh.

edit: Remember mac....if you sell your 9800 pro you could buy a 6800GT for a mere 160 euro or thereabouts. That would get you a glxgears score of around 10-11000 in linux. More than enough to play any current 3D game that's supported in linux (Doom 3, Quake 4, UT2k4, etc.).

Orion

Which is where my dual-boot situation comes in. Windoze for games and unbuntu for real-life stuff. Or maybe a seperate unbuntu machine - when I upgrade I'll have enough spare parts left over to build a low-medium spec machine anyway

jozi

Macros42 wrote:

Which is where my dual-boot situation comes in. Windoze for games and unbuntu for real-life stuff. Or maybe a seperate unbuntu machine - when I upgrade I'll have enough spare parts left over to build a low-medium spec machine anyway

What is it with people just wanting to spend money i just dont get it and why have i nearlly enough parts at home to build another pc