PLO Hand Question

Tourneque

Here's one for the Omaha players.

Was playing last night when the following hand came up.

Omaha High Pot Limit (US$0.15/US$0.25)

Seat 1: BB (US$26.25 in chips)
Seat 2: UTG (US$37.26 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero (US$29.35 in chips)
Seat 5: wizard (US$32.99 in chips)
Seat 7: belfast (US$21.02 in chips)
Seat 8: horse (US$32.02 in chips)
Seat 9: Button (US$11.72 in chips)
Seat 10: SB (US$17.40 in chips)
SB: posts small blind US$0.15
BB: posts big blind US$0.25

----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Hero [7c Th 7h Qh]

UTG: calls US$0.25
Hero: calls US$0.25
wizard: calls US$0.25
belfast: calls US$0.25
horse: raises to US$1
Button: calls US$1
SB: calls US$0.85
BB: calls US$0.75
UTG: calls US$0.75
Hero: calls US$0.75
wizard: calls US$0.75
belfast: calls US$0.75
----- FLOP ----- [2d 7d 2s]
SB: checks
BB: checks
UTG: check

The Pot is now about $8 and there's 4 players left to act behind me including the PF raiser - what's my best play ?

DeVore

Taking into account my fairly speckled record in Omaha, I'd check it. You're hand can barely improve (the addition of the case 7 on turn or river) but it fairly strong at the moment. If you feel you might get traction from the raisers behind you I'd be perfectly happy to reraise. Oscar, JP, KPNuts and a few others here are far better qualified to talk about Omaha but I'd be tempted to slow play this.

DeV.

Hectorjelly

You absolutely cannot slowplay this, any card above a 7 is a dangercard on the turn or the river. Either bet the pot now or check raise the pot if you think the PFR will bet.

DeVore

Hector, I'm confused why you feel so strongly that the hand cannot be slowplayed. I understand that (say) a king or a ten will cause you abundant grief if KK or TT happens to stick around for it. But the chances of that seem slim compared to the rewards you will reap if the flush comes, and if it doesnt, trips 2 may pay you off (though even I would baulk at that call ).
The subsequent card has to be higher then a 7 (~7/13) and then has to match a paired hand thats out there. Seems worth the risk especially if the PFR raises and most leave the pot.... I'm honestly curious as God knows my Omaha game could stand some improvement!

DeV.

Hectorjelly

Your hand isnt strong and you have 7 opponents, the board is paired so you are unlikely to get much action from a flush. However what you will get a lot of action from is a higher full house. Its a classic reverse implied odds scenario, where not only are you giving people a free card to beat you, but if they do manage to outdraw you you are planning on giving them your stack. However if they dont outdraw you they wont pay you off at all.

Slowplaying this is equivalent to flopping a 5 hi flush in hold em and planning to check call all bets to the river even if another suited card drops.

Hectorjelly

Fathead wrote:

How is it possible to have a 5 high flush, would it not be a straight flush ie a2345. Is the smallest flush possible not 7 high ie 23457?

Your right, I was just referring to the rank of your highest card. Ie you have 45s and the flop has three of your suit.

Lafortezza

You have to pot this on the flop. There's a case to be made for check-raising (since you're in early position) hoping that a LP player will bet but personally I'd pot it.

You're hoping for a card lower than 7 on the turn, especially if your pot bet gets several callers. Any card above a 7 on the turn with many player still in the hand could be very bad for you. Say a Q falls on the turn, you bet it again then get raised by someone behind you, what exactly could he be raising with? QQ or something very dodgy like 72, Q2, Q7 plus flush draw? Never slowplay in teh Yamaha!

DeVore

true, given that people wont tend to pay you in omaha with anything other then a hand close to the nuts, I guess you'd have to be afraid of the subsequent high cards. I take Hectors point about winning a small pot or losing a big one. My gut instinct would still be to check, reraise but thats probably from NLH. I want to get another bet from someone... hopefully a few someones. And then have someone make a mistake and call. Just the one caller. And then a 7 on the river. And Natasia Kinsky.....

I can dream, right?

DeV.

Samba

All too often have I folded smal pp's in raised and re-raised pots that I would have flopped the nuts but come the river, my house would have been destroyed, I agree with the latter, you must bet or check raise.

Juan Pablo

No check, no half pot, just pot this here and now, never assume a PFR will do your bettinng for you. If the flush card hits only idiots will bet a flush into a paired board 7 handed. Ideally you'll have some ass in this situation with a 2 staying with you, we are talking .1/.25 here. As Hector states, any overcard is a worrying one here, to give the turn/river cheaply or for free would be suicide. I'm not too enamoured by the fact you were willing to call a 4x BB raise with a holding as marginal as 7c Th 7h Qh, middle pairs can be killers in Omaha, and a 3x suited holding is never great, even if you have the Ace of that suit. You've hit the flop here but its best to bet it out, take down the pot and move on. If you try and get too clever in Omaha you'll get done!

This board needs more Omaha threads!

Tourneque

Thanks for the feedback.

At the time I opted to check aiming to check raise. I felt pretty sure there was gonna be a bet after me and I thought check raising would chase out more players.

I was very close to betting the pot too... but even though I expected a caller or 2 if I did that I think in retrospect that might have been the best move.

It was one of those decisions that I wasn't and still amn't quite sure on. And with Omaho I _really_ think it depends on the table. It's definitely a simple hand that can demonstrate some of the differences between Hold'em and Omaha though.

What actually happened ... hmmm.... :rolleyes:

Feckin' modem decided to disconnect straight after my check and there's no all-in protection on Betfair so I'll never know.. but I did save myself the Pot bet.... and anyways.... I like to think I saved money because that was surely a hand I would've lost it on.

Oh.. and yeah.. wasn't too pleased to see I called that myself when I was reviewing my hands today... but it was 4am.. and the cards, they were sooo pretty...