Promotions

TheMonster

Can't say a lot as I know there people who read boards who might glean what/where I am talking about.

2 people - same level - 1 promoted to boss over other without other person having opportunity to go for job. Is this ok? Does the person have to be given an opportunity to apply?

nesf

Depends on the circumstances.

You could have two people doing the same job, both doing good work in that position, and one of them might make a good boss/manager and the other wouldn't.

Or you could have two people with the same job title, one far better than the other or dedicated/whatever.

Just because two people are at the "same level" doesn't mean they are equal with regard to who get's promoted, etc.


I'd be pissed if I was passed over for a promotion, but it'd depend on the circumstances.


Flesh this question out a little

TheMonster

Have had favourable reviews, been there longer - never any compaints about work etc.

Was told the other person was better suited and that I wasn't even considered.

I would even argue that I am probably more suited as it more of an organisational type role something which I have been told is one of my strong points.

nesf

TheMonster wrote:

Have had favourable reviews, been there longer - never any compaints about work etc.

Was told the other person was better suited and that I wasn't even considered.

I would even argue that I am probably more suited as it more of an organisational type role something which I have been told is one of my strong points.

Eh the short answer is:

If they are picking who they think is "better suited" for the role then there is **** all you can do about it. They are well within their rights to do this. Again, it depends on the circumstances, but from outside "your perspective" maybe your co-worker was better suited for the job they had in mind for him.

The key to promotion efficiently is promoting the right guy into the right job.

Maybe they have a different route in mind for you, or the promotion isn't into the job you think it is? (Just speculating here).

TheMonster

A bit more details - the new roles involves managing a large group of people, which I have experience of and the other person does.
It has been mentioned by others that I would appear to be better qualified.

The other person being "better suited" only seems to be the opinion of the person making the promotion. I am going to ask for a job description(it is a newly created role) and proof of why under the items in the job description they are better suited.

Is there any onus ion a company to advertise positions intenrally and allow people apply for them?

Can I refuse to report to that person?

seamus

TheMonster wrote:

Is there any onus ion a company to advertise positions intenrally and allow people apply for them?

Can I refuse to report to that person?

Not really for either. It's a bit of a grey area. They can promote the person, no problem. But they can't really interview him for the position, and refuse to interview you, or "forget" to advertise it to the rest of the company, if you know what I mean.

I would say your first stop is to have a proper chat with the guy who promoted him (presumably your former boss?). Be frank and ask him why you didn't get it, and where he thinks your path is heading, assuming he's happy with your work.

There's no point in playing the hard-done-by card yet, unless you're not getting any straight answers, or there was an obvious attempt to keep this role from you.

RicardoSmith

The other point to consider is that maybe your impression of yourself is not quite the same as other people or they might have earmarked you for a specific role. For example in one company I unintentionally made myself appear as the "techie". So they kept me in that role, rather than give other roles, like team managament which I would have liked. Less technically skilled people got roles I thought should have got because they wanted to keep me where I was. By the time I realised I had pigeon holed my self, basically shot my self in the foot, my role was ingrained in the minds of those above me.

Other people would deliberately, avoid some work, or do it badly, so as not to get lumbered in a particular role. Which proved to be a better tactic than doing the job well. Which then meant they wouldn't move you.

Food for thought. Its also the reason why in many cases if you change job a lot you don't get pigeon holed and can move in the direction you want easier, because people don't have any preconcived notions about you. So if you see newcomers getting promoted quickly and other staff in the company in the company a few years not getting promoted thats the reason why.

Some of the time at least. Its a bit like popstars, or actors reinventing their image every so often. Sounds stupid but people do actually fall for it.