We're smarter than this!

Pigman II

In ep3 after getting getting caught in some rayshields ObiWan says to Anakin:

"Wait a minute, how'd THIS happen! We're smarter than this."

What is THIS supposed to mean? The line seems to come out of absolutely nowhere and isn't really developed upon or answered directly. Is he talking about :
1) They just got caught in a trap
2) Their rescue operation doesn't seem to be going smoothly
3) The fact that a war has taken over the galaxy, coruscant has turned into a madhouse and they never saw it coming....

or is it just something to reinforce the idea that the 'Jedi power is dimishing' as pointed out by Yoda in ep2 or perhaps something else? I've seen the film a few times now and I still don't know what exactly it's supposed to mean outside of the obvious fact that they've just been caught in a trap. Perhaps its meant to show that the emperor is clouding their vision?

Any explainations welcome.

Einstein

I think it was actually sarcasm, the fact that they were caught in a forcefield so easily!

RuggieBear

quite possibly the worst acting in the whole film....but to be fair, i'm not sure how McGreggor even spat out that line

jaggeh

there are scenes missing from that whole act

Kingsize

that whole act is a bit mashed up alright,it wouldve been great if obi wan hadve jsut said "for fux sake-raysheilds !!"

skywalker

Dont see any super hidden meaning in it myself. Other than theyve just been caught in a trap that they shouldve known better than to fall into.

tvnutz

yes that line was terrible,it came out of nowhere and sounded so stupid. First time I saw the movie,though it was cool,second time I actually paid attention to the dialogue,and bloody hell it is horrible. Took my view of the movie down a notch or two :P

JCDenton

Worst Line - Ever!

Praetorian

Definitely the worst part of episode 3. It would have been far more plausible if they were just surrounded by hundreds of droids. Or when they got caught in the ray shields, Obi wan could have said something like, “Never seen these before”, or “Haven’t seen these in a long time”, or “the graphics for these shields are really sh*ty George”.

Stabshauptmann

I think it is another subtle hint at Palpatines power. The Jedi have the power of precognition, they shouldnt have walked into some god damn ray shields!

Its weak that two of the most powerful jedi in the galaxy could both make such a stupid mistake.

I wouldnt have used the word smarter, maybe - we're better than this, or how didnt we see this.

And TBH, a lot of ppl in this thread are just hopping on the band wagon, it was not by any long streach the worst part of Ep 3.

TerrorFirmer

the graphics for these shields are really sh*ty George”.

Yeah - wtf was that about??

Victor

Maybe its just a throwback to the lines Lucas gave Han Solo.

TerrorFirmer

Victor wrote:

Maybe its just a throwback to the lines Lucas gave Han Solo.

Ah, but they were done with charm that everyone couldn't help but like!

Darth Brawl

" we really shud have stayed in the outer rim, that twilee'k was so up for it!"
wud have been alot better

Branoic

Not just the worst line in the film - the single worst line in the entire 6 movies. I love Star Wars, but that is saying a lot!

Kingsize

"the single worst line in the entire 6 movies"

it bad but i wouldn' go that far in cact i'd go so far as to say "THATS IMPOSSIBLE!"

BlitzKrieg

horrible line...but if your looking for hidden meaning it could be obiwon pretending to be annoyed when they really wanted to get close to grevious (next scene its all rvealed to be a ploy...groan)

Victor

Maybe there going to be something special on the DVD?

Stabshauptmann

BlitzKrieg wrote:

horrible line...but if your looking for hidden meaning it could be obiwon pretending to be annoyed when they really wanted to get close to grevious (next scene its all rvealed to be a ploy...groan)

I dont agree on that, I think it really is just poor acting. Think of what Anakin says, we'll just wait for R2 to get us out and when that doesnt work Obi wan asks him for a plan B. Doesnt sound like a ploy.
And I dont think they would endanger the chancellor in that way either.

But hey, I think there is a lot of room for interpretation in the films

snakeater

I just think it's a poor attempt to add some comic relief to the scene. No hidden meanings or anything. Just an awful line.

jimbling

no where near the worst line in the movie..... for that look no further than the evil darth vaders
'nnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo'
what crap... what were they thinking.....

Mitch Connor

surely the worst line in star wars is darth vaders "NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO". cringe.

Mitch Connor

jimbling wrote:

no where near the worst line in the movie..... for that look no further than the evil darth vaders
'nnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo'
what crap... what were they thinking.....

maybe i should have clicked to view the next page before posting......

jimbling

lol..... just proves the point....

spudington16

How in God's name is it that Yoda can detect a subtle change in someone's emotions and foresee so much in the Galaxy EXCEPT the one thing that matters - a Sith uprising conspiracy plot involing THOUSANDS of people? How exactly were we supposed to believe this?

BlitzKrieg

lets not forget the line

Emperor: '...My little green friend'


i pissed myself so hard when this line came up....so cringe worthy.

Victor

Of course the original line was "WTF!"

cuppa

Its a movie u freeks,,what would u say "ooh its a force field" who cares enjoy :eek: the farce

and no jedi counsel for u ,u noob!1

oddlyaromatic

How exactly were we supposed to believe this?

It's StarWars. This movie was a crappy attempt at tying together two stories that don't fit.

Anakin's story is grand by itself- but I prefer Vader as the evil badass he was in the original movies. He's cool. Now he's all emotionally wounded and crap... I don't want to hear about that, I want him kicking more ass. If they made a movie where Darth Vader just wandered around kicking ass it would rock so much.

The timeline problem is HUGE. In the last scenes the kids are still babies, but before that we see Vader up and about looking at the Death Star being built. They've gone from no empire to uniforms, ships and half a death star in about a week. 18 years later (or however old Luke is in the beginning of A New Hope), the death star still isn't finished.

Lucas has said that dialogue isn't that important in his movies. I'm not sure that makes them any less crappy- dialogue is always important. The cool action scenes and nifty ships and pretty explosions and the same old musical ideas carry even less weight when you're distracted by some crappy dialogue. Awful bits include when Obi-Wan and Anakin step get to Coruscant and have that little chat about who did what. Ack. Damaging. Not to mention that the same two guys stopped in the middle of a fight to debate the nature of evil. That got to me.

On the other hand, we're probably taking this too seriously. I'm pretty sure these movies ARE aimed at kids - and when you compare them to other kids movies... well... they rule so much ass. Robots, explosions, ships, children getting killed (what the hell sorta word is "younglings"? Made the whole thing seem like a joke), flying wookiees, little green dude ("Not if anything to say about it I have" was a great moment all the same), people getting stabbed, guy with lightning coming out of his hands, guy set on fire...

Seriously. If you're a twelve year old.. wow. Tough **** to the folks at Disney.

dent

Have to say I thought that line was a bit odd myself. Classic Lucas in action. Great film though looks like they actually made an effort this time.

kdevitt

oddlyaromatic wrote:

The timeline problem is HUGE. In the last scenes the kids are still babies, but before that we see Vader up and about looking at the Death Star being built. They've gone from no empire to uniforms, ships and half a death star in about a week. 18 years later (or however old Luke is in the beginning of A New Hope), the death star still isn't finished..

And Obi-Wan aged very badly in that 18 years as well...and for some reason, Leia tells Luke she has sketchy memories of their real mother, which is quite a trick for a newborn, and Obi Wan forgets that Qui Gon trained him and thinks it was Yoda...

Can't believe that they didn't make a note of basic continuity - the timeline as you mentioned is just way off...

Anyhoo, I think the whole "you're so beautiful because I'm so in love with you" stuff really hit new depths...

BlitzKrieg

dont know why but the line..
YODA:
"I will go. Good relationship with wookies i have"

had me laughing

anything from either palpatine or yoda made me laugh (not the desired effect i assume)

dearg_doom

oddlyaromatic wrote:

If they made a movie where Darth Vader just wandered around kicking ass it would rock so much.

Yeah, before ep2 I thought that was what ep3 was going to be, with ep2 being him betraying ObiWan and ep3 with Darth Vader travelling the galaxy being a badass and slaying all the remaining Jedi. That would have been slick.

Meh.

BlitzKrieg

have you seen that orange advert...

vader: '3 HOURS with me and the dark side.'


great series of advert..

Stabshauptmann

spudington16 wrote:

How in God's name is it that Yoda can detect a subtle change in someone's emotions and foresee so much in the Galaxy EXCEPT the one thing that matters - a Sith uprising conspiracy plot involing THOUSANDS of people? How exactly were we supposed to believe this?

Your missing a lot, to explain briefly, the force is out of balance. The Jedi's collective power is diminishing. Add to that that Sidious is able to cloud things further. Its a power he has.