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Bushy Park Skatepark
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09-06-2005 10:54am#1I know this is old news, but i stopped skating (rollerblading) some 4 years ago. I go to ramp n' rail to skate about once a month these days, so im still doing something related to skating (you cant quit
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I was out with a few of the lads last night watching the ireland game and we were talking about the 'skateboard' park thats 'going to be built' in bushy park.. (the usual sh1te they say) and i was wondering is there a deadline at all for this? I was in bushy which 10 minutes away from my house, with the GF there 2 days ago, and i noticed 2/3 of the tennis courts are lifted - so it got me worked up.
I noticed that in anything that i found related to the skatepark, they kept refering to it as a 'skateboard park'... I remember when the lads started up ramp n' rail and that was a primary skateboard park, but they did ask for our input towards the park - what would we like to see and so on... as most of you know skateboarders and rollerbladers didnt really mix, but these days everyones cool imo.
The articles i read also said 'getting top skateboard park designers' to work on it and so on... 10er says its some tool like dayton and pancho workin on it..
Will there be anything for rollerbladers to skate? I dont mind skating a skateboard transition, but low rails, and low curbs dont really appeal to me, where as they would for skateboarders.. Im sure all the skateboarders will agree that the more variety of transition and ramps the better the progression, you learn how to addapt to new areas and so on easier as you are firmilliar with the styles of ramps that are generic within most skateparks..
I for one would like a nice long grindbox with coping, not square box metal like most skateboard transition, a deathbox of some sort, and a few banks for the skateboarders along with some spine ramps, a long ass mini ramp (not a 10 foot job)... Stuff like that im sure you would all like to see... but the irish government being the irish government will probably just throw out a couple of flat banks, a rail and a quarterpipe, which is just sh1te.
As much as i am excited to see this park go up - i thnk that money should be given to the lads at ramp n' rail. They know what they are doing, they put their life into this business, took everyone that rolles on some form of wheel into account and gave them all a home and safe place with a cool atmosphere to roll in. What they could do with that budget would be amazing compared to the crap that berty and the boys will do. Now with the introduction of these 'parks' which prolly wont be skated because:
a: Theres no roof over the tennis courts in bushypark
b: The park will be crap
c: the ramps will fall appart in the weather.
Im sure im missing out alot of details here lads, can you fill me in?
Cheers
Ocker.0
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nice post red ice.......as a skateboarder i totally agree wit wat ur sayin(its not dat often i agree wit a rollerblader)....they cant jst build a skatepark designed for one type of sport wen its possible to build one dat suits a few sports....we dont want to see the mistake dat was made in the quarry skatepark wer it was designed for bmx and because of this the ramps ar massive.....therefore the county council should get together wit some expierenced rollerbladers bmxers and skateboarders and let them deside on how to go about designing th park....i kno that shag is involved wit the lucan skaepark and he skateboards and bmx now all they need to do is get a blader and its heaven.....
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right off the pin i could see you were a skateboarder and also its blatent you could'nt give a toss about other sports that would be using the skatepark, dispite what you say about compremise. I was using the design, layout and general ramp stlye/size as an example of how to mix the sports and still free up the park for everyone to skate - i never said build pssp in dublin - are you mad? Wooden ramps? Jesus, the park would be ruined in a week!
The reason im being so forward, is because it seems (no offence, i may be totally wrong, i dont know you fomr squat) your only concerned with what happens for the better of your own sport, where as what i was posting was taking all sports into consideration.
The one thing that all skaters, skateboarders and bmxers talk about is PROGRESSION. As im sure you know, skateboarding/skating/bmxing progressed because what was the done thing was DONE and people moved onto new grounds with areas to skate. This is done by being open minded about what you skate, and simply by not looking at something and saying its not skateable. If the government can make a bowl thats deeper than 3 foot (WOW) and hand rails (good sized ones, not ones knee height), quarter pipes and proper ledges that can suit everyone, NOT JUST SKATEBOARDERS, ill skate that park, and help in anyway possible i can to make that spot grow and feed anyones interest in anysport that relates to a skatepark. You on the other hand, seem like the type of chap that goes into a park, skates with his mates, and if someone gets in the way, their tough... thats not how it goes. having said what i said about bowls and rails, i totally agree with making it fair, but by fair, not 1 foot off the ground and 3 foot long... i like to skate 4 foot rails, that are at least 10-15 foot long. id be happy with 2/3 foot and 6-12 foot long, but it leaves little to grind. Id be happy with a 3 foot bowl, but i know alot of skateboarders would like a deep bowl, as thats how it all started with z-boys n stuff.
You seem to think i have done nothing towards getting a park in ireland. Your totally wrong. Ive helped build and help layouts in the older (closed due to lack of funding) parks in dublin, which tried to cater for all people no matter what they skated. You also seem to think i dont know what im talking about, yet again, if so, your wrong. Im skating a proud 12 years, ive won many a comp, including cork comps which was skateboard build, but in order to make that park work - THEY MADE IT ROLLERBLADING FRIENDLY!
excuse me, ive been on the drink tonight, and if i seem forward/verbally aggressive - i can barely remember my points
I dont know if you remember lark hill, clontarf and so on... well, it was made for rollerbladers. I was best mates with the chap whos father got the whole project up and running and, is now doing what he can to keep ramp n rail going, which is dying slowly sadly.
Alot of people i know, skate with, and when im out have a deep rooted presance in skateboarding and rollerblading... one of my best mates was a big name with big us based sponsors n so on (wow, so what)... the point im making is that even he agrees that no matter what comes of this park, it has to be fair for everyone else its not going to help the growth.
Look at it this way, if you have x ammount of skaters, x ammount of skateboarers, and x ammount of bmxers, it definitly adds up to more than just x ammount of skateboarders, which is how it will be if this park is a sham for everyone but skateboarders.
All i was saying from a rollerbladers point of view, is that if they make it good for us, good for boarders, bmxers and so on ALL our sport grows which means there will be a better chance of more parks opening.
Im totally repeating myself, at this point i have a headache, ill come back tomorrow and have a read to see if this all makes sense, excuse my lack of literacy... sorry if i came across in an offencive mannor0 -
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Red Ice sorry if I've inadvertantly offended you , you've taken a lot of what I wrote as a personal attack. It was not meant as such at all but rather as a reply to a lot of the feedback on skateparks in general, and people failing to see the bigger picture. Most of what you say in your reply is in agreement with what I wrote. As far as the picture you paint of me you couldn't be further from the truth. I have been BMXing 25 years skateboarding 20 and I also surf, snowboard and mountainbike. I'd regard that as fairly multi-sport. The post of Dublin Ohio skatepark (Theres a few Dublin parks in the states , Dublin Ca has one too) is actually a fairly similar park design wise to the brief for Bushy park put out in the Council tender. This is excactly the style of park we're recomending. Obviously Ohio had a lot more room to play with here but incorporating street with bowl and retaining flow is the idea.
As I said earlier this is a design and build project so the "Government" will have absolutelly nothing to do with the design of the park whether it be height of rails or depth of bowls.
Sorry but more the poor fool who builds the park , runs the comp , takes it all apart and gets bugger all time to ride it meself.You on the other hand, seem like the type of chap that goes into a park, skates with his mates, and if someone gets in the way, their tough0 -
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red_ice wrote:The one thing that all skaters, skateboarders and bmxers talk about is PROGRESSION. As im sure you know, skateboarding/skating/bmxing progressed because what was the done thing was DONE and people moved onto new grounds with areas to skate. This is done by being open minded about what you skate, and simply by not looking at something and saying its not skateable. If the government can make a bowl thats deeper than 3 foot (WOW) and hand rails (good sized ones, not ones knee height), quarter pipes and proper ledges that can suit everyone, NOT JUST SKATEBOARDERS, ill skate that park, and help in anyway possible i can to make that spot grow and feed anyones interest in anysport that relates to a skatepark. You on the other hand, seem like the type of chap that goes into a park, skates with his mates, and if someone gets in the way, their tough... thats not how it goes. having said what i said about bowls and rails, i totally agree with making it fair, but by fair, not 1 foot off the ground and 3 foot long... i like to skate 4 foot rails, that are at least 10-15 foot long. id be happy with 2/3 foot and 6-12 foot long, but it leaves little to grind. Id be happy with a 3 foot bowl, but i know alot of skateboarders would like a deep bowl, as thats how it all started with z-boys n stuff.
We all know exactly what the deal is in Ireland regarding insurance claims and costs, which is what lead to the closure of the Cork park. I totally agree with you when you're looking for larger obstacles to learn on and to build up to, but asking the government to build a bowl or anything not using a proper concrete park design company such as Convic and Concrete from Australia or Dreamland and Grindline in the US or a finishing company such as Duracrete in the UK is asking for trouble. Companies like these are mainly contractors in that they'll oversee the design and construction where local companies all provide the manpower. With the exception of Duracrete, all of these companies are skater-owned and so their motivation can't be questioned - recently in Brisbane, Australia, the owner of Concrete paid for a cradle on a bowl out of his own pocket. The worst thing that could happen would be to allow a company like Five-O or Railslide anywhere near this project - metal and wooden parks simply won't last and they are utter **** which lack imagination, layout and quality. Granted all these companies have different styles of parks in their portfolios, but I've been all over Australia, Europe and the States and after 15 years of skateboarding, I know what works and what doesn't.
Unfortunately, it isn't always down to the users as to what scale of terrain goes in - remember that health and safety guidlines won't always accomodate a large 12 stair rail, 10 foot bowl as they think it'll be "dangerous" - the vast majority of skateboard injuries are rolled ankles and sprained wrists, which full pads and helmets won't prevent. Trying to get civil servants to understand this another problem altogether.
The thing is, in the lobby-ing and design process, the point has to be made and reinstated about how a park has to be viewed as a facility, an asset to the community and a tourist attraction. Parents going shopping can drop their kids off at the park, users will visit local shops and use public transport to get there, which is good business for all involved. A good concrete park will get more and more skaters, bladers and bikers starting up and so the 2 indoor parks will benefit with more customers on wet days and winter. Building a proper sized, innovative design will get tourists and their cash from all over the world visiting it - think of Marseille, Livi, Algorta, Burnside, Stockwell, Melbourne's Riverslide, etc.
In my opinion, the designs should take a lot of inspiration from some of the OG classic Dublin spots such as Baggot St., the old Trinity rails and banks in front of the Berkely Library, black bars, etc. aswell as from other international spots. The only thing I'd add is that any drop more than 4 steps be replaced with a bank or Wembeley gap - any bigger and it becomes negative space as you can only go down, not up and so hinders the flow of the park. We could all do well to see what they're doing at the plaza in Stoke-on-Trent, north of Birmingham in England or Lilles, NE France or Nantes in w. France - the Nantes park is in the town centre and pedestrians casually stroll past and stop and watch for a few minutes. It's about 3 years old now, but it's one of the best parks I've ever skated, despite its small size - set on a large tarmac space, the central obstacle is about the overall area of Ramp N Rail. The Stoke street plaza is cocking huge, but check the image below and tell me you don't want something like that in Dublin...
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Hi
For the record, i'm not a skateboarder, though i do climb, surf, rollerblade (leisure more than tricks), play basketball & tennis.
BUT this new skatepark has got me up in arms, don't get me wrong, im all for a skatepark, but not at the expense of other sporting facilities. Though they do remain empty a lot during the winter, surely skateboarding will suffer from the cold, wind and rain too?
The existing facilities ARE used, as a regular user myself I do notice a lot of the same faces sometimes.
However, though im all for a skatepark, im nt sure where ít should go. not by existing courts imho, maybe take up a football pitch at the far end. ( I know football people will have something to say about that !)
Maybe Marly park for even a fully furnished indoor facility in the suburbs would be a better soln?
Either way, all i say is to provide new sports facilities ar the expense of others is madness.
Cheers
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i've been bmxing and mountainbiking for 10 or so years now and i really agree with the fact that if this park is to work it has to be aimed at everyone. not just bmxing or skating.like you have all being saying from the start. pretty much all the skateparks opened in dublin or ireland have had anything but an easy time of it. i really think we all need to get behind this and support it like it was our second home or somethin. anyway i actually didn't know the whole scene was as alive as it is and this park is just gonna push our sports further!
cheers
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