Boxing Vs UFC

KnowItAll

I think the UFC is real fighting. Boxing is so boring it's like watching paint dry! UFC is 10 times better!

Amz

Hey KnowItAll ... Any chance you could expand on that a little?

Examples of why Ultimate Fighting is so much better etc. Just to get a proper discussion going.

thanks.

Geiger

Real fighting? So the punches in boxing are fake and the blood also?

I like both Boxing and UFC.

Kevin_rc_ie

KnowItAll wrote:

I think the UFC is real fighting. Boxing is so boring it's like watching paint dry! UFC is 10 times better!

better at what?

poobum

they both rule! only ufc is more like kickboxing mixed with the basics of wrestling

Kevin_rc_ie

poobum wrote:

they both rule! only ufc is more like kickboxing mixed with the basics of wrestling

well if u say so.

Big Ears

UFC fights seem to be faught mostly on the canvas with a lot of holding .
The only good bit is the first 10 seconds of every round when they stand up and fight .

Ive watched a decent amount of UFC and only seen 1 great fight .

K1 is much better .

Amz

Kevinly, it would be appreciated if you at least attempted to engage in a discussion.

I've seen some pretty good fights. Hope to go to Japan to a pride with my S.O. at some point in the not too distant future.

Geiger

K1 seems a little clumsy to me (Bob Sapp vs Kimo springs to mind) Maybe I haven't been watching the right fights, just whatever Eurosport shows. The punch resistance of a lot of K1 fighters seems pretty low...

Big Ears

Geiger wrote:

K1 seems a little clumsy to me (Bob Sapp vs Kimo springs to mind) Maybe I haven't been watching the right fights, just whatever Eurosport shows. The punch resistance of a lot of K1 fighters seems pretty low...

Your correct fighters in K1 arent usually great boxers or martial artists just guys with a good attack and a poor defence which = exciting fights .

Bob Sapp isn't your run of the mill K1 fighter though , most of them have at least some technical ability .

Although there are some fighters with great technical ability but often they are quite light and for their weight their chin could be fine but when you face a true heavy-weight it only takes one punch .

dlofnep

Being the MMA expert that I am, I figure I should spice up this thread. Firstly, the term ultimate fighting is a little loose. It's mixed martial arts. There are a few aspects to take into consideration also.

1) Stand-up striking. It consists of both boxing and muay thai.
2) Clinch-work. When you are too close to strike properly, you clinch.. Dirty boxing or Greco Roman Wrestling can be worked here.
3) The Ground game. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is seen at it's finest here. It's not just holding here folks, the ground game is an intricate part of the sport. Amrbars, kneebars, leglocks, toetholds, chokes, cranks.. The whole lot can happen from here and usually does.

Mixed martial artists are much more dominant than someone who trains just in boxing or just in kick boxing/muay thai. Take your average boxer.. He circles around the ring but before you know it, the mixed martial artist has shot in for a double leg take down. He hoists him on his shoulder and slams him onto the mat winding him. He then mounts him and rains down elbows until the boxer can no longer take it and rolls onto his stomach to avoid the punches and elbows to his face.. The mixed martial artist slides his forearm across the boxers throat and applys a rear naked choke, choking him unconcious. The same would apply to any K-1 veteran who didn't work on their takedown defence.

While a boxer can catch his breath from the clinch, a mixed martial artist has to watch out for knees, elbows, punches, takedowns and chokes. One slip up can cost you a fight.

Anyone who considers MMA boring has probbaly not watched enough of it. Sure some fights can be dull but not many, and the most boring MMA fight is still more exciting than your average boxing match.

MMA (Both UFC & Pride FC):







That's what I'm talking about. You won't see any of that in boxing or k-1.

Big Ears

dlofnep wrote:

Anyone who considers MMA boring has probbaly not watched enough of it. Sure some fights can be dull but not many, and the most boring MMA fight is still more exciting than your average boxing match.


That's what I'm talking about. You won't see any of that in boxing or k-1.

I find it boring and I have watched enough of it. I know what skill there is in the ground game but thats the bit I hate about UFC , the reason I find Muay Thai , K1 or good old boxing more exciting is because its purely striking , armbars and rear naked chokes are boring !(for me) a left hook to the jaw is not .

I think that most people who arent involved in Martial arts or boxing themselves prefers boxing , you probably have to compete in martial arts to appreciate it fully .

dlofnep

That's a fair statement Big Ears, but do you see this in boxing?

Big Ears

dlofnep wrote:

That's a fair statement Big Ears, but do you see this in boxing?

I see it in K1 .

dlofnep

Big Ears wrote:

I see it in K1 .

Come on man, that's street fighter 2 kick material :P

Big Ears

dlofnep wrote:

Come on man, that's street fighter 2 kick material :P

Ive seen Reme Bonyaski(sp?) (he's from Belgium) do very similer things , great fighter bonyaski his kicking on knee striking is amazing .

dlofnep

Remy Bonjasky. He's actually not from Belgium, he's from Holland. He's not called the flying Dutchman for no reason

But yes, Remy is a wonderful kick boxer/muay thai practitioner. He's great to watch. It's guys like him that make K-1 alot easier on the eye than boxing, but MMA excites me a whole lot more. As I study brazilian jiu-jitsu along with wrestling and muay thai (not much muay thai mind you), I tend it's fair to say I'm more biased towards mixed martial arts as I understand every aspect of it.

I love how a man who can be a complete killing machine standing up with the most devastating kicks known to man can be stopped flat with a takedown.. Although he's studied the ground game somewhat, he's not going to be as educated in the intricacies of brazilian jiu-jitsu as a long time practitioner and thus ends up with him tapping out to a choke.

I like how ever fighter has a fair chance of winning a fight.. There are alot of areas of someone to look at, alot of weaknesses.. Someone who might have a good ground game might not have good takedowns and can be stopped by someone with great standup and great takedown defense. I love how a kick boxer with weak takedown defense can't execute his game because a wrestler will hoist him up on his shoulder and slam him time and time again into the mat.

MMA is my life.

Geiger

Quick question about K1 here. What's the deal with submissions?

I was watching a fight once where a short, small quite fought a man who was much taller and seemingly bigger than him. The fight lasted no more than a minute. The small guy jumped on him and either choked him or put on some kind of leg submission. They were both down on the ground at this point (guess that's pretty obvious )

Then of course other times I've watched K1 and there's the regular 10 count for a knockdown. Basically what I want to know is whether fighting on the ground is allowed in K1. Thanks for any info.

Also, KnowItAll (if you're keeping track of this thread), got anything to add to the debate?

Big Ears

Geiger wrote:

Quick question about K1 here. What's the deal with submissions?

I was watching a fight once where a short, small quite fought a man who was much taller and seemingly bigger than him. The fight lasted no more than a minute. The small guy jumped on him and either choked him or put on some kind of leg submission. They were both down on the ground at this point (guess that's pretty obvious )

Then of course other times I've watched K1 and there's the regular 10 count for a knockdown. Basically what I want to know is whether fighting on the ground is allowed in K1. Thanks for any info.

Also, KnowItAll (if you're keeping track of this thread), got anything to add to the debate?

:eek: :eek: :eek: you are seriously confused , K1 does not have any submissions and striking or holding on the ground is illegal and if a fighter cannot recover from being hit while on the ground they win the fight .

dlofnep

Actually K-1 has an MMA show also (allows submissions and what not), besides their kick boxing shows which use alot of the kick boxers which is why you are probably confusing the product. K-1 Romanex was their MMA show but now it's called Heros.

K-1 also fund Rumble on the Rock which is a Hawaii based MMA promotion. The normal K-1 MMA show is not really as appealing to me as Pride or UFC. They have had maybe one or two notable fights but that's about it. Rumble on the Rock however is a decent show.

Geiger

Thanks for clearing that up. Eurosport only advertise most shows as 'a K1 event' so I had no idea what I was watching. I'm pretty new to MMA anyway. I watch the UFC whenever it's on and K1 now and again. Just out of interest dlofnep, where do you get to see PrideFC?

dlofnep

I download it and watch it on DVD.. I've got about 20 pride events on DVD and a couple more downloaded.

KnowItAll

Amz wrote:

Hey KnowItAll ... Any chance you could expand on that a little?

Examples of why Ultimate Fighting is so much better etc. Just to get a proper discussion going.

thanks.

Sorry, I forgot to keep track of the tread!

Dlofnep explained it perfectly. How anybody could think boxing is better is beyond me. I'll explain why I think/know it's better.

Watching boxing I notice that the best fighters are not the hardest hitters but the ones who can dance best! Ducking and dancing and then hit their opponent with the odd counter punch which makes them win the round. It's this negativity that I don't like.

Phyiscally the best boxers are the ones who has the longest arms. It's a massive advantage in boxing because the person with the longer arms can keep his opponent at a distance and score points.

So if you have long arms and can move then you have the tools.

Also, the brain is not needed for boxing. With just 2 moves (head or body punches) it doesn't compare with the vast array of moves in mma.

This logic does not apply to mma. People of any shape or size can become champion. In mma you need speed, strength, power, endurance and most importantly a vast knowledge of all the moves (which are too many to list).

The greatest difference is the unpredictability of mma compared to boxing. There are so many moves in mma that a split second lapse in concentration could lose the fight for you. This is what makes it so great. Every fighter has his strengths and weaknesses and it is up to the opponents to figure out tactics to win the fight.

Boxing has had its day. It's a mess. There are hundreds of belts and little action. When was the last time you saw a good boxing match?

I've nothing against boxing but the first time I saw mma I knew it was 10 times better. Hopefully it will catch on in Ireland in the future because I think it would suite the Irish body type rather than boxing.

Big Ears

KnowItAll wrote:

Watching boxing I notice that the best fighters are not the hardest hitters but the ones who can dance best! Ducking and dancing and then hit their opponent with the odd counter punch which makes them win the round. It's this negativity that I don't like.

Phyiscally the best boxers are the ones who has the longest arms. It's a massive advantage in boxing because the person with the longer arms can keep his opponent at a distance and score points.

So if you have long arms and can move then you have the tools.

Also, the brain is not needed for boxing. With just 2 moves (head or body punches) it doesn't compare with the vast array of moves in mma.

This logic does not apply to mma. People of any shape or size can become champion. In mma you need speed, strength, power, endurance and most importantly a vast knowledge of all the moves (which are too many to list).

The greatest difference is the unpredictability of mma compared to boxing. There are so many moves in mma that a split second lapse in concentration could lose the fight for you. This is what makes it so great. Every fighter has his strengths and weaknesses and it is up to the opponents to figure out tactics to win the fight.

Boxing has had its day. It's a mess. There are hundreds of belts and little action. When was the last time you saw a good boxing match?

I've nothing against boxing but the first time I saw mma I knew it was 10 times better. Hopefully it will catch on in Ireland in the future because I think it would suite the Irish body type rather than boxing.

firstly you don't know very much about boxing , its not just the boxers(which is the term known for those that duck and have slick skills) that win fights there are plenty of brawlers who are champions , long arms aren't everything , Tyson has a short reach but it never stopped him .

There are plenty of boxers with long arms that can move but simply havent got the chin to be good enough or havent got the power to be good enough or simply don't have the talent to do anything other than move . (eg David Barnes) .

Obviously with using less parts of your body to strike there are less moves but there are way more than two , thats just crazy talk .

Theres weight divisions in boxing so people aren't going to be fighting people too much bigger than them , but very small people have won titles when they are very small compared to the opposite fighter , Oscar De La Hoya has one titles at 5 different weights against people naturally heavier and taller .

Split lapse in MMA = Split lapse in boxing , theres the same result .Same as tactics go . Theres only 4 properly recognized world titles : IBF , WBC , WBO , WBA all other world titles don't mean a lot . Of course you have area titles like European and British or Irish but you have the same in MMA .

Last time I saw a good boxing match , I see at least one every week , I saw a good one today , Nicky Cook V Dazzo Williams (the fight was on yesterday but I only saw it today ) .

Your talking like a child its 10 times better ?......maybe in the opinion of one person but not by everyone , after all boxing has a bigger fanbase .

Geiger

This past month or so in particular has been filled with great fights. To be honest I think your opinion is all wrong, though you're entitled to it.

It's not only boxers with a good reach that are successful, the most well known example that springs to mind is Mike Tyson. I don't know any opponent he faced who was smaller than him...but plenty of big ones who were petrified before the fight even started.

As for negativity, well I guess the guys just don't like getting hit. I doubt there are any MMA fighters who appreciate a fist in their face.

To be honest I think saying "Also, the brain is not needed for boxing." is more than a bit disrespectful. It's completely insane. You've been watching the wrong fights my friend...

Finally, boxing is *full* of unpredictability. So many fights have been turned around by one big punch. A fighter like David Tua lives off that kind of thing. When he fights you know it could end by big KO anywhere between 1 and 12.

As I said before, I like boxing and MMA.

Chucky the tree

KnowItAll wrote:

Sorry, I forgot to keep track of the tread!

Dlofnep explained it perfectly. How anybody could think boxing is better is beyond me. I'll explain why I think/know it's better.

Watching boxing I notice that the best fighters are not the hardest hitters but the ones who can dance best! Ducking and dancing and then hit their opponent with the odd counter punch which makes them win the round. It's this negativity that I don't like. .

"How you think/KNOW its better?"

YOu cant possible know its better, thats crap.

SO the best fighters are the ones who just counter punch? have your ever even watched a boxing match?

KnowItAll wrote:

Phyiscally the best boxers are the ones who has the longest arms. It's a massive advantage in boxing because the person with the longer arms can keep his opponent at a distance and score points.

So if you have long arms and can move then you have the tools.

Also, the brain is not needed for boxing. With just 2 moves (head or body punches) it doesn't compare with the vast array of moves in mma..

SO current champions are the ones with the longest reach in there division? of ocurse..... :rolleyes:

SO theres only 2 moves in boxing?! brilliant.

KnowItAll wrote:

This logic does not apply to mma. People of any shape or size can become champion. In mma you need speed, strength, power, endurance and most importantly a vast knowledge of all the moves (which are too many to list)..

SO any fat,unfit guy can win i mma? that isnt a great selling point.

YOu dont need speed,strength, power, endurance and a knowledge of moves in boxing? thats right, all you need is a long arm and nothing else.

KnowItAll wrote:

The greatest difference is the unpredictability of mma compared to boxing. There are so many moves in mma that a split second lapse in concentration could lose the fight for you. This is what makes it so great. Every fighter has his strengths and weaknesses and it is up to the opponents to figure out tactics to win the fight..

SO boxing matches are unpredictable? You can can predict who will win each and every single boxing match? :eek: YOu should start betting on matches, be a millionaire in no time.

A lapse in concentration in boxing and your done for aswell. Boxers have different strengths and weaknesses aswell. Again, tactics are a major element of boxing aswell.

KnowItAll wrote:

Boxing has had its day. It's a mess. There are hundreds of belts and little action. When was the last time you saw a good boxing match?

I've nothing against boxing but the first time I saw mma I knew it was 10 times better. Hopefully it will catch on in Ireland in the future because I think it would suite the Irish body type rather than boxing.

Little action? You really need to start watching boxing, because if you had, you would know there certainly isnt "little action".

Suite the irish body type? you mean the fat, beer belly, unfit sort?