Jeet Kune Do

Dagon

Just wondering if anyone knows if Bruce Lee's JKD is being taught on these shores? I'm hoping to do this at some point, and am very interested in the technique. If anyone here has any experience of it, I would be interested to hear your comments.

Apologies if this has been posted already.

dlofnep

Bruce Lee's vision of JKD wasn't a string of techniques, it was a philosophy. Read: http://www.brucelee.com/jeet.htm

Millionaire

dlofnep wrote:

Bruce Lee's vision of JKD wasn't a string of techniques, it was a philosophy. Read: http://www.brucelee.com/jeet.htm

You could argue back and forth all bank holiday weekend about what JKD is or is not. There are so many factions these days.

Dan Inasanto . bruces first student, which JKD conceptual. (for eample bruce love a stomp side kick to knee (see book bruce fighting method). most mere mortaks could not work this kick as well as bruce , so Dan replaced it with the low Thai kick which most people can do much better. (info from dans web site).

Paul Vunak (my personal fav) who is insantos top student. I got some of his DVDs.

Sifu Lamar M. Davis II who is into the version of JKD that Bruce taught in mid 1960s in China town.
google all these for info. and theres 100 more.

As Paul Vunak if your going to headbutt someone, do not worry if its a JKD Concepts head butt or a Trad JKD headbutt...JUST BUTT EM!!! :-)

dlofnep

JKD is a philosophy.

soma

I did JKD (as much as u can actually 'do' JKD, as the lads pointed out its a philiosophy) it was referred to as 'practical kung fu', in DCU for a while. It was taught by a guy named Liam (unfortunately I cant remember his surname) who ran a club in finglas, so I guess if you look around that club may still exist.

Colm_OReilly

SBG Ireland do "Functional JKD" which incorporates all ranges of training, Stand Up, Clinch, and Ground.

For more info on SBG and Functional JKD check out www.straightblastgym.com

For training opportunities vist www.sbgireland.com or www.twokingsmma.net

Peace Out,
Colm

memphis

Any Jeet Kune Do schools or clubs in the Munster area (ideally South Tipperary)??

Would love to give it a try.

pma-ire

As I said before....

JKD is a concept. Not really a martial art in it's own right??

Lee was teaching Jun Fun (his Chinese name) Gung Fu not Jeet Kune Do.

He closed his schools because his students were trying to copy his moves exactly and not grasping the fact that it was a concept and not a set martial art.

We can all do JKD. You just need to read up on Lee's thoughs and apply them to your training. But there are people that use the term JKD to back up there own concepts. Thats fine but many times they are just good fighters how have something that is really worth while teaching and should'int be pretending it's linked directly to the fighting method of Bruce Lee.

It would be better for them to say that they were training in the JKD concept and they were inspired by Bruce Lee.

Dan Inosanto don't go in for this kinda thing and is just an all round master of the MA's.

Here are some of the more interesting sites on JKD...

http://www.inosanto.com/

http://www.jkdworld.com/

http://www.jkd.co.za/

http://www.jkdunlimited.com/

http://www.paulvunak.com/

http://www.fighting.net/

And an interesting Bruce Lee sites can be found here...

http://www.wingchun.com/JKD.html

and this one is run by Lee's wife Linda Lee Cadwell...

http://www.bruceleefoundation.com/brochurepages/logos.html

Dr. Loon

I did Jun Fan/Wing Chun Kung Fu based on Jeet Kune Do concepts. Really enjoyed it. It was in Bayside where I did it, but they stopped teaching quite some years ago. A mate of mine has a school in Killester now I believe, where he teaches. I can try get contact details if you want.

Clive

Dr. Loon, that wouldn't have been with a gent named Sifu Wally by any chance would it?

Dr. Loon

Clive wrote:

Dr. Loon, that wouldn't have been with a gent named Sifu Wally by any chance would it?

Eh... I think so. Sifu Dillon rings a bell? Long time ago, one of the instructors was a Mr. A Scully.

Millionaire

Books worth getting to see what Bruce himself was doing in the 1960s (chinatown school period) are the Bruce Lee Fighting Methods Vol 1 - 4. there is some excellent photos in them of bruce doing specific techniques and combos.

pma-ire

Millionaire wrote:

Books worth getting to see what Bruce himself was doing in the 1960s (chinatown school period) are the Bruce Lee Fighting Methods Vol 1 - 4. there is some excellent photos in them of bruce doing specific techniques and combos.

there brill!!

read them a 100 times and the Tao!!

Millionaire

Aye Paul, they were me "Santa" pressie when I was 13 (20 years ago now!). I begged me mother for about a year to get them for me.!!

Brillant brilliant books and highly recommended to anyone who wants to see what Bruce was up to with his own training at this time.


check out this guy sifu Lamar Davis who is into the 60s version if JKD
http://www.hardcorejkd.com

Anyone who says that JKD is a concept rather than a style has hit the nail on the head. It seems that many of Bruce Lee's students followed Bruce rather than following the sheer simplicity of the concept. He was even famous for saying (PARAPHRASED) "How do you beat a martial arts master of 20 years? Do a years boxing and wrestling!"

To paraphrase another famous thinker "If youre following me, you aren't following the truth"

Millionaire

columok wrote:

Anyone who says that JKD is a concept rather than a style has hit the nail on the head. It seems that many of Bruce Lee's students followed Bruce rather than following the sheer simplicity of the concept. He was even famous for saying (PARAPHRASED) "How do you beat a martial arts master of 20 years? Do a years boxing and wrestling!"

To paraphrase another famous thinker "If youre following me, you aren't following the truth"

How do you beat anyone....stick your fingers in their eyes. knee in em in the balls and if it goes to ground, pull them close and bite their nose (or anywhere else sensitve you can sink your ivory AK-47s into..!) street survival in 3 easy steps.

I should copy write the idea, sell it on the net as a lost cletic warrior art and make a mint! :-)

Let me think of a name...Madra Fearg!!!!!

or the lost art of 2nd Battillion South Armagh!

Joking aside. If you get the books I mentioned, you will see that what bruce was doing in approc 1967 is in my words, sort of like dirty kickboxing with some wing chun, and lost of eye jabs with fingers ( which is a wing chun move, cannto remember chineese name for this)


Paul PMA has read the books, Paul do yo agree with my analysis of what bruce was doing in 1960s..?

In fact it is full of very high kicks, Johoon Ree a TKD grandmaster in LA taught bruce how to kick high.

pma-ire

Millionaire wrote:

Paul PMA has read the books, Paul do yo agree with my analysis of what bruce was doing in 1960s..?

In fact it is full of very high kicks, Johoon Ree a TKD grandmaster in LA taught bruce how to kick high.

Well the books are a direct reflection of Lee at that stage of the 60's and what he was teaching his students and were a real kick in the ass of the Martial Arts so much so that the "TMA's" started to copy Lee and claim some of the stuff he was doing as there own???

Thing is about Lee is that he learnt from all combat arts and took the Martial Arts out of the east and the air of cac-taribh that was and still is hand in hand with them.

He seems to have moved away from teaching as trained more and more in his concept Jeet Kune Do realising that "A punch is just a punch, and a kick is just a kick" and "having no limitation as limitation, and no way as way". his students of the schools were not seemingly catching onto this? So with a bit of frustration and a drive to persure a moive career he closed the schools and just trained with friends (and major moive stars) out his back garden.

Lee was a big believer in the 3 second fight. That as soon as the attacker started he would fly straight in with a STRAIGHT BLAST! And continue to hit with the strongest techs he had while flowing within the fight until they were defeated.

He realised that to be a better all round fighter you have to hold as many aces (ranges) as possible. So he backed up his Eastern Martial Arts with Western Boxing (he was known to stand next to a projected image of Ali's fights and copy his moves. He trained with America's champs grappling and Judo etc.

He learnt weapons from Dan Inosanto, and trained with the best body builders in the States and I've seen his training methods quoted in a few Muscle mags over the last few years!! So he is still held in hig reguard by these guys as well as the Martial Arts World.

Out of all his ablities I think his hand speed has to be the most impressive! The best example of this is in Enter The Dragon in the fight with Bob Wall (Oharra) as part of the tournament. That first slap to the face that Wall gets might look like just a slap to thae face!! But if you look at Lee's back hand it's reaching forward and pulling Walls front hand forward and Wall moves into Lee's punch. Classic Wing Chun move and super fast!!

In fact Lee was much to fast to the moive cameras to catch clean shots of his moves!! It can be again seen in the older screen tests he done for the Green Hornet were he throws two punches to the old man, "one-to-the-groin-then-high" as he said while punching out and the poor old guy was still moving for the first punch

Ooops Looks like I rambled on a bit there

Millionaire

Thats a good analysis, thanks Paul.

I think he was just one of those people with unnatural ability and skills.

The straight blast is an interesting idea. (very similar concept in KM). Vunak is a massive believer in the straight blast. Must google it and see is there any down loads of straight blast in action.

memphis

Paul, after that analysis, I so wanna get my hands on Lee's thoughts/concepts.

Is there are video/DVD out with these, or just the book mentioned above? Where can it be bought, and for roughly how much?

Millionaire

as far as I can remember the Fighting Methods (theres 4 books) can be bought through blackbelt magazine as can the Tao of Jeet Kune Do. or try amazon maybe.

Ted Wong who is in the 60s books with Bruce has a JKD video, cannot remember the name. google will find it.

anything ny Paul Vunak is good. He is Dan Insonanto no 1 student. and is into the street applications big time. I like his style and he trained US Seals for about 7 years full time in hand to hand stuff.

memphis

Is the book the Tao of Jeet Kune Do the book they refer to in that movie they made about his life, what's this its called? Think its The Bruce Lee Story or sommat like that!! According to the movie he wrote it with his wife while he was paralysed in hospital... apparently it was his way of fighting back by letting out all his thought, etc.

Dyr

apart from being "factually inaccurate" *koff*bull*****koff* that film was a right pile of pants

pma-ire

Bambi wrote:

apart from being "factually inaccurate" *koff*bull*****koff* that film was a right pile of pants

Dragon The Bruce Lee Story was a fairy tale proprogated by Linda Lee so that he would look like a hero. It seems in reality that he was a bit of a prick to Linda and was well know to be havin' it a bit around behind her back.

As for the Tao being written at the time he injured his back (weight training and not in a fight as in the movie :rolleyes: ) thats crappo. The Tao is really all the notes he used to write the Fighting Method books and a few more that were not used or written afterwards thrown in.

It's also laced with his philosophy, as he was really into the teachings of Zen as a way of clearing the mind and "emptying your cup".

pma-ire

Millionaire wrote:

Thats a good analysis, thanks Paul.

That comes from a fun two years talking to all the Bruce Lee nuts in Cork that walked into Kung Fu Korner (My old Martial Arts Shop *sob* )

Millionaire wrote:

I think he was just one of those people with unnatural ability and skills.

He was the real deal!!

Millionaire wrote:

The straight blast is an interesting idea. (very similar concept in KM). Vunak is a massive believer in the straight blast. Must google it and see is there any down loads of straight blast in action.

Vunak is cool!! And no Sh!t out him!! Indeed it will give you some interesting results

I saw a clip of a home movie in a documentary of Lee sparring with one of his students at Chi Sau. Lee was blind folded and had his head turned his hand speed was scary!! They blurred on the film becayse the frames were to slow to catch them. But although he was moving so fast, he never hit the punches once, all just about an inch from the face and chest!!

Millionaire

Aye Bruce was a well know hot head and according to some bios I read on him he was very full of himself. and if you were sparring him and managed to get in a luck shot, he woudl throw the headhe would beat you through the wall. also they say he was a show off, I read he was doing one finger push ups at departure gate at an airport.

Still, I think hes the best and was a huge inspiration to me (now his real stuff , not so much the movie stuff)

Yeah the Tao is a collection of notes and thoughs frm him over the years. Persoanlly i think it is all over the place and I can can only take small amounts of it at a time.

There is a brilliant Bio of this training and the development of JKD written my Dan Inosanto . I have to at home and shows how Bruce trained over the years. Highly worth getting, if you want to see what he was going and showing his students and how Dan evloved the system in the mid 1970s etc.

The movie was puer ****e I thought.

There is a few good Bios on him too worth picking up. some english guy wrot eone a few years back , his guy was a rcok star in some 70s super group. cannot remember name, but well worth getting too.

Dagon

Thanks for all the info guys, really helpful. I'm into the same philosophy as Bruce Lee (Krishnamurti and stuff like that) so I guess I'm halfway there already, as I do combine this with my training mentally.

Would be interesting to work with some of the JKD martial artists sometime, all the same.

Dave Joyce

Memphis and Dragon if you're into the JKD Concepts stuff then check out www.warriorswaytx.com which is the site for Guro Harley Elmore who is one of Guro Dans top guys. He also trains in Sayoc Kali which is where I met him for the first time late last year when we assisted in training some of the Navy SEALS. He is a first rate instructor and generally nice guy who I hope will come here sometime. Just as a side note you guys missed the chance to train with Guro Chuck Giangreco who is another high level JKD guy who was here last month assisting Tuhon Tom Kier when we had our Sayoc Kali seminar. Hopefully we will have them both back (in Sayoc though not JKD) before the end of this year. Sorry to digress, but back to subject, although I haven't seen them Guro Harleys Panantukan tapes are I'm reliabley informed are S**t hot as well as some of the other JKD tapes he has.

Martin25

Hi Guys just came across these posts.
Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is a recognised martial art, it has its own curriculum and philosophy.
Some have misinterpreted this as a "concept" and have added it to other martial arts to somehow "improve it".