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Listen to new Coldplay album in FULL..!

  • 30-05-2005 5:51pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,413 ✭✭✭✭


    ... and all legal!! :D

    A week in advance of the release date. From MTV's The Leak!

    Clickety Click Here!

    Enjoy!

    PS - "Talk" is a definite single.. excellent! And also "Swallowed In The Sea" is excellent also!


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 533 ✭✭✭sailorboy


    can the files be saved?
    sorry if its a silly question
    lol...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭Pistol Pete


    "In mathematics, X and Y were always the answers, but in life no one knows," says Chris Martin. "To me the album, is about those unanswered questions, and what you should do about the fact that you can't explain all the unknown variables."

    Wow, deep. What a gobshíte.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭kensutz


    I got it and its pretty good


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭eggshapedfred


    "In mathematics, X and Y were always the answers, but in life no one knows," says Chris Martin.
    In maths, X and Y are, like Coldplay in Music, part of the problem, not, as EMI would have us believe, the answer. Solving for X and Y was always the aim of maths (well algebra anyway), whereas, based on the new single, copying U2 seems to have always been the aim of Coldplay.
    What a gobshíte.
    I agree.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 612 ✭✭✭billstraighten


    i have it and am uploading it at the moment

    expect it very soon


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    billstraighten, stop, just stop. I've seen you do this alot, you're very close to being banned for soliciting copyright material.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭quarryman


    meh. nothing really stands out for me. no great opener like a Rush of Blood.

    first track sounds very like U2, plus a few more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭quarryman


    actually some of these are getting catchy now....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,413 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    quarryman wrote:
    actually some of these are getting catchy now....
    Yeah.. "Talk" is the standout favourite on the album.

    Quite like "White Shadows", "Low" and "Swallowed.." also


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Fix You is the one that appeals to me at the mo.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,413 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    musician wrote:
    Fix You is the one that appeals to me at the mo.
    Yep.. tis good!

    Quite a slow burner.. was very good performed on Jonathon Ross on Friday night!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭Gileadi


    Swallowed by the Sea is my favourite so far,overall the album is as good as expected

    nice not to be dissapointed for once


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    I'm surprised more people aren't posting reviews up here.
    One two songs really caught me so far.
    "Speed of Sound" is a great track.... but "Talk" is amazing.
    One of the best tunes I've heard in a while... and it should be brilliant live at Marley.
    Overall, the album is a hard listen. Its a good album, not a great album.
    It's not catching the same way Rush of Blood did.
    Still going to give it time though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,836 ✭✭✭Vokes


    I thought the album was so-so at first...

    But now it is seriously starting to grow on me! :eek:

    Swallowed in the Sea is a definite favourite of mine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭oddlyaromatic


    an album of complex, shimmering, airy, dark, near-ambient, stadium-rocker tunes.

    Oh good. At least MTV knows the point.

    I don't hate Colldplay. But this doesn't seem special like parachutes did. The seem to be hammering the same nail into the same bit of wood. I mean come on. It's in already. Parachutes was cool. Coldplay get a slagging for being so goody-goody, but I have an issue with the guy's who wrote Shiver and Spies and indeed Yellow parking up in the bland end of the business.

    They don't suck by nature. It's that Palthrow woman. Has to be.

    These songs aren't too much of anything. Complex shimmering airy dark near-ambient stadium rock indeed.

    Getting pimped so hard on MTV has gotta hit Christ Martin in the anti-globalisations. Fair Trade's great, maybe that's why they don't sound like anything much, lest they lose their platform to speed.

    Fix You sounds like a pile of nonsense to me. It does have a U2 thing going on in the intro. Though maybe we just think of Bono as another celebrity do-gooder who doesn't rock. It's a pleasant enough song, if you don't listen to the lyrics (one or two saving graces like "ignite your bones" come as a surpise) or the hideous organ.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    i've only had one listen through and found it very bland. but there are reports of it "growing on you" so i'll give it a few more goes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 95 ✭✭Branners


    Heard it a few times now really like What If,
    most good albums have to grow on you anyway.
    Especially coldplay as there not fast paced songs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Feu


    Howdy -

    i've been away for the year and all that junk so only got around to buyng the coldplay album last week. Not too impressed so far - and I loved loved loved their first 2 albums. Whats going on with them?

    Only 3 or 4 stand out tracks for me. Fix you is great tho!

    I hadn't heard much about the album - just that it perhaps wasn't as popular - but even before seeing this thread i thought there were definite random touches of U2. In a way i can see where it came from - but it sounds like a bunch of remixes of older stuff or something.

    I'm afraid this album may kill them for me!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭Nina_Angelica


    i've been following coldplay around since, well, since the beginning really and i have to say i do not love "x & y", don't think i ever could.

    "x & y" is regurgitated, it's a very poor version of "rush of blood", lacking any "REAL" intensity or emotion. to me, it feels like they ran out of ideas.

    in north america, when "parachutes" was released, no one, and i mean NO ONE knew who the heck coldplay was except anyone who took an avid interest in british bands or who had friends across the pond willing to share.
    what a stunning album, from start to finish. as complex as some of the lyrics came across re: martin's feelings, it remains one of the most simplistic albums of 2000-01. there's just something beautiful about that. (as a sidenote, i actually did not "love" every song off parachutes, one just can't deny that at a time when the world felt like it was being taken over by bubblegum pop, "parachutes" offered a sense of refuge and the realization that all was "not lost").

    in august 2002 after a tiny show in montréal, i met coldplay the first time. just before "rush of blood" blew up and pulled the rug out from under us. meeting them only reaffirmed what i thought they might be like. your everyday, average, really nice blokes. bit too nice for my liking in truth, i was waiting for something from under the surface. and i got it. what a powerhouse "rush of blood" was. as "parachutes" was beautiful, pure and simplistic, "rush of blood", was in your face. intense and complicated, agonizingly familiar. even the b-sides were brilliant (ie. one i love, i ran away). in life there are albums that stand out, that leave their marks on us for the rest of time, "rush of blood" did that for me. i "love" that album. to me, it presented a defining moment for a band that deserved to actually be seen and heard and a public that needed it.

    i'm not saying i don't "like" the new album. in fact i think there are definitely a couple of great tracks that have come off it (ie. talk [even though they sampled w/ kraftwerk's music, it acutally works], a message), but, what happened to the intensity, the "realness"??
    it's sad because it looks like the money machines have indeed taken over, it seems like it's about "quantity" now as opposed to "quality". i remember when "trouble" was used in a movie (can't remember the name but had robin williams in it, slightly low budget i believe) and there were statements issued from the band as they apparently had not been aware of their music being used. about them always wanting to remain selective about where their music is being used etc.
    2 weeks ago, they actually promoted "talk" on csi:ny, what's quality about that?! bah.

    part of me wants to say, another one bites the dust, but i refuse to give up just yet and i'll keep the faith a little longer, i just hope the next album is something to talk about!

    (sorry for the rant, i'm at work, bored off my ass and la la la goes the sad story) :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,413 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    To be honest... i think 'X&Y' is infinitely stronger than 'A Rush Of Blood..' mainly due to the inclusion of a much needed raw sounding acoustic track ('Til Kingdom Come').

    'A Rush Of Blood..' was good but far too mellow - sounded like a regurgitation of 'Parachutes' that would send you to sleep mid-way through.

    Though i'm in the minority that think 'Fix You' is the weakest song on 'X&Y' - made even more irritating by the amount of airplay it recieved!

    -- my two cents!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭Nina_Angelica


    basquille wrote:
    To be honest... i think 'X&Y' is infinitely stronger than 'A Rush Of Blood..' mainly due to the inclusion of a much needed raw sounding acoustic track ('Til Kingdom Come').

    'A Rush Of Blood..' was good but far too mellow - sounded like a regurgitation of 'Parachutes' that would send you to sleep mid-way through.

    Though i'm in the minority that think 'Fix You' is the weakest song on 'X&Y' - made even more irritating by the amount of airplay it recieved!

    -- my two cents!

    wow, very interesting (i do not say that sarcastically at all), i agree about them needing that "raw" sound but do you really think "rush" is a regurgitation of "parachutes"? i've just never come across anyone having that opinion before.

    one of the major problems w/ "x & y" is, although they may have captured that "raw" sound, it's about all they captured the whole way through!

    i'd be a part of that minority, "fix you" does nowt for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman




    2 weeks ago, they actually promoted "talk" on csi:ny, what's quality about that?! bah.

    There's your problem right there.

    You've been into Coldplay before a lot of people in the US, and now every dog on the street has their albums.... and they've hit the commercial big stage.
    You'll no longer be able to meet them after a gig unless your damn lucky, as they're going to be playing mega-stadiums now and not small intimate venues.
    I think, subconsciously, you feel they've sold out and you just cant accept them as readily any more.

    Same happened to David Gray here. He used to play small pubs and club and had a huge student following around the country. Once White Ladder became a global success, I know many of those who followed him, desert him.

    I too have listened to Coldplay since the beginning, and have to say X&Y is my favourite of the lot. Track for track, its by far their best album, and one of the albums of the year.
    Sure, Parachutes and Rush has some amazing tracks, but I feel X&Y is more complete.


    You might find this and interesting read ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭Nina_Angelica


    there are times when i feel perhaps they have sold out but in truth i think even back then alot of ppl knew it was only a matter of time before they hit the "big time" and that mass marketing would eventually take over and most of us were delighted w/ that, in fact, i'm still delighted that they are so well liked. there's something else and i can't put my finger on it. i mean, take U2 for example, i've been a HUGE fan since i was 13 and that hasn't changed but there are loads of ppl who feel they've "sold out", etc. etc. etc. that's a whole other can of worms so i won't go there :)

    i'm not looking to meet coldplay again, wasn't in the firstplace, it was a meeting of chance, if you will. i'm just glad i had my copy of parachutes and rush signed :D

    shame about david gray, though, he still plays relatively small venues in canada. same w/ alot of other uk or irish bands. we're lucky for that, we saw damien rice play for about 100 ppl and the 'phonics for around 800 ppl.

    i did find that an interesting read, ha ha, cheers for that. it's only 10am in toronto, too early for my brain to digest BUT it's not the first time i've heard that point of view and it won't be the last, either way, i won't be doing any deserting, i haven't lost my faith just yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    there's something else and i can't put my finger on it. i mean, take U2 for example, i've been a HUGE fan since i was 13 and that hasn't changed but there are loads of ppl who feel they've "sold out", etc.

    I think there's just more Coldplay bashing now and some find it even "cool" not to like Coldplay.
    U2 earned their respect long long ago, and I've never come across much bashing.... the odd, "nah, don't really like them", but there seems to be a much worse anti-Coldplay sentiment.

    Just noticed your from/in Canada - one of my favourite artists is Kathleen Edwards (from Ottawa).
    She's had 2 albums now, was tipped to be huge by Billboard in 2003, but still hasn't hit big commercial success.
    I've seen her every time she's played her, all the time in small little gigs where she mingles with the crowd after.
    It's a surreal experience when you can have a chat to your favourite artist and thank them personally for sharing their talent.
    I've often thought.... what if Kathleen suddenly does a "David Gray" and her next album was a global smash... would I lose interest as everyone suddenly knows her?
    Ticket prices would go up and bigger venues would be the norm.
    I guess I'd just be happy I saw her talent from the beginning and had the opportunity to see her before the big time, but I'd still keep going and buying the records.
    It's for the love of the music after all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭Nina_Angelica


    whiskeyman wrote:
    I think there's just more Coldplay bashing now and some find it even "cool" not to like Coldplay.
    U2 earned their respect long long ago, and I've never come across much bashing.... the odd, "nah, don't really like them", but there seems to be a much worse anti-Coldplay sentiment.

    Nicely said and I agree, there are alot of ppl who bash as it's the "cool" thing to do. With respect to U2, I've also come across alot of ppl who are "anti-U2" if you will and well, that's just a load of crap if you ask me. Bottom line, if the music is good, it's good.
    whiskeyman wrote:
    Just noticed your from/in Canada - one of my favourite artists is Kathleen Edwards (from Ottawa)...

    Yes, I'm Canadian :) although I've only just moved back in July '05 from Cork, where I had been living for over a year (and travelling back and forth for 3 yrs!). I miss it!

    Not heard of Kathleen Edwards, what's her sound like? I wonder if she's anything like Sarah McLachlan/Sarah Harmer?! I will keep my eye out.
    A favourite band of mine from Toronto is "Pilate" (sounds like pilot). They have been toted as sounding bit like Radiohead/Coldplay, etc. if your interested you can check them out at www.pilate.com


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    Nicely said and I agree, there are alot of ppl who bash as it's the "cool" thing to do. With respect to U2, I've also come across alot of ppl who are "anti-U2" if you will and well, that's just a load of crap if you ask me. Bottom line, if the music is good, it's good.

    Actually, if you think the music is good, it's good in your opinion. I personally see nothing amazing in U2 and I wouldn't mind so much if they weren't so overrated(in my opinion). It's the same with Coldplay. People don't hate Coldplay because it's "cool to hate them", if they do then that's just sad. It's also sad if people like them because it's "cool to like them". Most people who hate Coldplay really couldn't care less about them, it's just when every person says how brilliant they are, ads for Coldplay and unjustified 5 star reviews for their albums are everywhere and they are insulted for not liking them they start to become irritating.

    You might find this and interesting read

    That article probably sums up my opinion of Coldplay perfectly, until the last few paragraphs, the "Let us love Coldplay" crap. It's basically saying let us embrace the mediocracy of humanity. It also neglects to mention that the "mass appeal" that Coldplay apparently have is the result of intensive marketing by their record label rather than their music necessarily having mass appeal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Nidge


    basquille wrote:
    To be honest... i think 'X&Y' is infinitely stronger than 'A Rush Of Blood..' mainly due to the inclusion of a much needed raw sounding acoustic track ('Til Kingdom Come').

    'A Rush Of Blood..' was good but far too mellow - sounded like a regurgitation of 'Parachutes' that would send you to sleep mid-way through.

    Though i'm in the minority that think 'Fix You' is the weakest song on 'X&Y' - made even more irritating by the amount of airplay it recieved!

    -- my two cents!

    But hang on, what about Green Eyes on Rush of Blood...is that not a raw acoustic song?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    JC 2K3 wrote:
    Most people who hate Coldplay really couldn't care less about them

    Surly if they couldn't care less, they wouldn't have any feelings (hate or otherwise) towards them?
    JC 2K3 wrote:
    the result of intensive marketing by their record label rather than their music necessarily having mass appeal.

    That's true of virtually every band / artist thats hit big time.
    I've seen so many artists and bands come and go that could have easily been the next big thing with the right label and marketing strategy.
    Even Bono has admitted they got lucky and there were lots of better bands doing the circuit in Dublin when they were starting off.
    The likes of XFactor and PopIdol have shown the music industry up for what it is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    whiskeyman wrote:
    Surly if they couldn't care less, they wouldn't have any feelings (hate or otherwise) towards them?

    Geez, rephrase it as, "If they weren't being praised by almost everyone, on the radio 24/7, getting unjustified 5 star reviews etc. they wouldn't care less about them". You know what I meant.
    whiskeyman wrote:
    That's true of virtually every band / artist thats hit big time.
    I've seen so many artists and bands come and go that could have easily been the next big thing with the right label and marketing strategy.
    Even Bono has admitted they got lucky and there were lots of better bands doing the circuit in Dublin when they were starting off.
    The likes of XFactor and PopIdol have shown the music industry up for what it is.

    Which is sad, basically means most people like them because the music industry tells them it's cool to like them. Musical opinions don't exist in the majority of the population anymore.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 evilrosemary


    no offence but is that not a huge underestimation of a huge amount of people. presonally love coldplay and try to ignore the amount of airtime they get on the radio as it tends to make the realy great tunes repetitive but hey, they've hit the big time, can't hold it against them!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 Scallop


    Cool to love em or cool not to love em. Cool to be yourself and like what you like.

    Coldplay..Overplay.
    Totally
    but at the end of the day the albums hold their own regardless of the hype, the everywhere you turn, everywhere you look moment they are in at present. Strong lyrics and incredible, uplifting music.

    Lets hope it doesnt go to their heads Like Radiohead.
    Different kettle of fish but you get my drift.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    no offence but is that not a huge underestimation of a huge amount of people. presonally love coldplay and try to ignore the amount of airtime they get on the radio as it tends to make the realy great tunes repetitive but hey, they've hit the big time, can't hold it against them!

    Lucy, stop stalking me on the internet. It's not an underestimation, and if it is it's only slight, you're ignoring every part of the argument and coming out with idealistic bullshít.
    Scallop wrote:
    Cool to love em or cool not to love em. Cool to be yourself and like what you like.

    That's nothing to do with the argument, it's simply an idealistic statement.
    Scallop wrote:
    Coldplay..Overplay.
    Totally
    but at the end of the day the albums hold their own regardless of the hype, the everywhere you turn, everywhere you look moment they are in at present. Strong lyrics and incredible, uplifting music.

    Ok, the lyrics are only average rhyming muck, fair enough, there's occasionally some good in them, but on the whole they're nothing special. Easy to understand and capable of uplifting anyone with a low IQ/hasn't heard better music, annoying to anyone else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 Scallop


    quote
    That's nothing to do with the argument, it's simply an idealistic statement.

    I wasnt arguing. Are you? Its a statement full stop. Nothing idealistic about it


    quote
    Ok, the lyrics are only average rhyming muck, fair enough, there's occasionally some good in them, but on the whole they're nothing special. Easy to understand and capable of uplifting anyone with a low IQ/hasn't heard better music, annoying to anyone else.[/QUOTE]

    The music has touched a lot of people and earned the respect of others musicians alike so lets be honest here...they are special, to some (quite a lot of people), not to all. Now saying that they are not a band I listen too often but I woudlnt gripe if someone was playing it whereas I would so much other ****e thats out there.
    You obviously rate yourself with a high IQ and people with a low IQ cant appreciate the music you listen to, am I right in saying that...Are you better than the rest of us mere duh's...what is the music you listen to JC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,135 ✭✭✭✭John


    Please don't turn this into a flame war people. Stick to discussing Coldplay in a mature fashion and drop the intelligence debate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    Scallop wrote:
    The music has touched a lot of people and earned the respect of others musicians alike so lets be honest here...they are special, to some (quite a lot of people), not to all. Now saying that they are not a band I listen too often but I woudlnt gripe if someone was playing it whereas I would so much other ****e thats out there.
    You obviously rate yourself with a high IQ and people with a low IQ cant appreciate the music you listen to, am I right in saying that...Are you better than the rest of us mere duh's...what is the music you listen to JC

    I'm not better than anyone, but Coldplay to me seem boring and unintelligent(Although they occasionally have some good riffs/melody(but then generally ruin it by repetition/lack of progression)). Most people wouldn't give a different type of music a chance. I don't even bother trying to get people to try some of the music I'm into anymore, they just don't.

    I like a wide range of music: rock, indie, progressive, metal, jazz... here's a list of some of the main bands I like, I wrote it ages ago so some may have changed:


    AC/DC(although a bit repetitive), Alice in Chains, Beatles, Black Sabbath, Blind Melon, Blue Oyster Cult, Blur(heh), Deep Purple, Dinosaur Jr, Dio, Doors, Dream Theatre, Eyes Adrift, Fleetwood Mac, Guns N Roses, Interpol, Iron Maiden, Jethro Tull, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Meat Puppets, Metallica, Minutemen, Motorhead, Nirvana(just about made the list tbh), Opeth, Pearl Jam, Pixies <3, Queen, Radiohead, Rainbow, Red Hot Chilli Peppers(By the Way is shíte though), Rolling Stones, Rory Gallagher, Roxy Music, Rush(2112 - best song ever), Sigur Rós, Smashing Pumpkins, Sonic Youth, Thin Lizzy, Tool, Van Halen, Velvet Revolver(although Contraband was a bit samey), Velvet Underground.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    Yay! Go You! :v:

    So what you're saying is, people have different tastes, one man's meat is another man's quorn. Excellent. So you like stuff that other people don't like and you don't like stuff, amazingly enough, that other people do like. Well blow my horn, it really is a crazy world out there. Who's right? Who has the better taste in music? Is it in any way relevant? Who's really to say what intelligent people listen to?

    Most people do this, most people do that... most people don't listen to any of the bands you mentioned.. or Coldplay :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,135 ✭✭✭✭John


    Doctor J wrote:
    Who's really to say what intelligent people listen to?

    Intelligent people listen to IDM obviously :v:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭SBob


    nice debate going on here,
    i reckon coldplay have, only 3 albums into what seemed like a great career, started to trade on their name. The first album was about as genuine as Chris martin can get, it was a good album, but you still got the feeling he was trying for something, a sound or an image. ROBTTH was the same, but still both really good albums.

    X & Y has some nice tunes but any genuinity they might have had is gone with this album, it is a complete means to an end, every song, every sound is calculating and cold, they are consciously trying to follow in U2's footsteps whilst also consciously drawing on other sources such as Chris Martins percieved revitalised public interest in bands like Kraftwerk.

    I cant stand watching chris martin interviews any more, the guy is so full of it, he thinks with all his fame that now everyone wants to listen to everything he says and it is all suddenly interesting. he talks with a kind of self reverence, you want to see jool holland suddenly losing all interest in an interview with chris when he started going on (as usual) about how he plageurised all his songs, he thinks this confession makes him look cool or something, and he never shuts up about it, i dont know whether johnny buckland beside him was thinking "not this again, shut up chris" or "isnt our chris great" but i suspect it was the latter.

    I still think they're very talented, just too pretentious to make any siginificantly original or progressive music, and while the backlash is inevitably harsh, its a simple reaction to them being so over hyped, NME called X&Y one of the all time great albums, what a load of sh1t!!! and chris martin and co eat and drink that kind of bull...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭SBob


    Scallop wrote:
    Lets hope it doesnt go to their heads Like Radiohead.
    Different kettle of fish but you get my drift.

    just saw this quote.. whats your basis for this? they are such a progressive band, who from everything ive seen couldnt care less what people think, which is why after ok computer they started making albums that werent necessarily accessible to a lot of the music listening public, and carried on down that route. It took me a while but i love kid a etc, what an incredible follow up to ok comp, do you think that because they made music that might seem strange to you their success has gone to their heads?????
    And imo it went to chris and co's heads long ago


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